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Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

SaTaMaS posted:

India has also been a source of CEOs for US tech companies, meanwhile I'm sure China will stop depending on intellectual property theft for tech innovation *any day now*.

So India is cucked to the west while China builds it's own power base

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Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

china already a world research leader in " ethically dubious human genetic modification experiments that turn out to maybe be fake"

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.
"actually brain drain is good for India!"

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

SaTaMaS posted:

India has also been a source of CEOs for US tech companies, meanwhile I'm sure China will stop depending on intellectual property theft for tech innovation *any day now*.

what a lovely post lmao

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

mila kunis posted:

India's current government and lot of its regional politicians seems more intent on exacerbating existing religious/regional/caste tensions than on the economy. You're not going to make many economic gains if the country explodes along sectarian lines

Also China was very careful to maintain control and build up their own companies, infrastructure and knowledge base even while letting western capital in. India's model seems to be to just act as a source of cheap labour and being an imperial vassal, dunno what the end game is here.

The Modi government could definitely gently caress up the gains that India has made by radically stratifying them. I'm just talking about how the sheer weight of a country as big as India in both size and population make it nearly impossible not to make gains for the poor. The qualitative difference between India and China is also obvious, since Chinese central planning of political economy gave it a much more focused direction in development.

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer
Do China and India still have contested borders and poo poo?

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
yes and they're going ot have a huge fight in the not too distant future over water in the himalayas

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

They had a conflict over a road being built in disputed territory like last year, yea?

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

Lightning Knight posted:

Do China and India still have contested borders and poo poo?

yup! aksai chin (Kashmir/Xinjiang border) and Arunachal Pradesh (Southern Tibet)

tino
Jun 4, 2018

by Smythe

Lightning Knight posted:

Do China and India still have contested borders and poo poo?

They do during elections.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

sincx posted:

Anyways, to balance this post out a bit, who else think's China's support of Kashmir separatists will end up biting them in the rear end in Xinjiang, like US support for the Taliban in Afghanistan?
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/2186516/china-resists-indias-call-have-head-jaish-e-mohammad-labelled

China is already dealing with Uighur separatism, so it's not certain how much worse it could get.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

India and Pakistan still loving loathe each other and sino-pakistan relations are a sticking point for India and most likely will be until there's a falling out or something major happens to force them to cooperate.

BrainDance
May 8, 2007

Disco all night long!

sincx posted:

Don't forget that the US stole tons of British IP in the 19th century while the US was getting its own industrial base going.

And for the record pointing out hypocrisy is not "whataboutism."

Why not?

sincx
Jul 13, 2012

furiously masturbating to anime titties
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sincx has issued a correction as of 05:28 on Mar 23, 2021

BrainDance
May 8, 2007

Disco all night long!

I dont know, I'm asking you, you're the one who said it.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1097197985958584321
https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1097209955420057600

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

China's history of antagonism towards a fellow socialist state is shameful.

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

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Mantis42 posted:

China's history of antagonism towards a fellow socialist state is shameful.

lol

China sent literally 100k+ soldiers to fight for Vietnam against imperialism but then Vietnam was ungrateful and went right to allying with aggressive revisionist power against China

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

So buddying up with Kissinger and Nixon while bombs are still falling on Southeast Asia is acceptable realpolitik but aligning yourself with the USSR is revisionist? OK

turn off the TV
Aug 4, 2010

moderately annoying

Mantis42 posted:

So buddying up with Kissinger and Nixon while bombs are still falling on Southeast Asia is acceptable realpolitik but aligning yourself with the USSR is revisionist? OK

The real issue is that they invaded and overthrew Cambodia, arguably ending a campaign of genocide and betraying China.

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

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Mantis42 posted:

So buddying up with Kissinger and Nixon while bombs are still falling on Southeast Asia is acceptable realpolitik but aligning yourself with the USSR is revisionist? OK

notice how China never stopped aiding Socialist Vietnam fighting for reunification even after Nixon visited China?

China played USA, not other way around

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
why would overthrowing a CIA stooge be a betrayal of China?

turn off the TV
Aug 4, 2010

moderately annoying

gradenko_2000 posted:

why would overthrowing a CIA stooge be a betrayal of China?

weird how that works

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

this is stupid

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer
lol at seriously arguing with Typo’s gimmick.

tino
Jun 4, 2018

by Smythe

Typo posted:

notice how China never stopped aiding Socialist Vietnam fighting for reunification even after Nixon visited China?

China played USA, not other way around

Nixon visited China to stick it to the Russians. Actually the visit wasn't that effective because Mao was too old at that point.

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

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if you think about it, Nixon was pretty much Kowtowing to China when he visited

he came to Chinese capital like countless tributary states in the past to pay homage lol

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

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Nap Ghost
How do we know if typo has been fully irony poisoned?

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

bob dobbs is dead posted:

How do we know if typo has been fully irony poisoned?

no worries, he's going strong in d&d

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

Typo is posting in perfect balance. CSPAM and D&D, Yin and Yang, Tankie and Neocon.

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

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turn off the TV posted:

The real issue is that they invaded and overthrew Cambodia, arguably ending a campaign of genocide and betraying China.

LOL ofc you fail to mention that Vietnam literally committed genocide against its ethnic chinese population as one of the causes of the war

but hey, genocide is ok when victims are chinese right? :shrug:

CAPS LOCK BROKEN
Feb 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

Typo posted:

but hey, genocide is ok when victims are chinese right? :shrug:

the us thought this unironically when it came to Indonesia

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

the us thought this unironically when it came to Indonesia

Like I think every country should have its sovereignty respected but if Indonesia tries another anti-chinese genocidal purge China should have some leeway to protect its citizens imo

turn off the TV
Aug 4, 2010

moderately annoying

Typo posted:

LOL ofc you fail to mention that Vietnam literally committed genocide against its ethnic chinese population as one of the causes of the war

but hey, genocide is ok when victims are chinese right? :shrug:

The Hoa owned the majority of businesses in South Vietnam and had their belongings reappropriated under socialism, while many were sent to re-education camps.

It's not surprising that you would try to portray socialism as genocide in order to defend a government openly cooperating with capitalists in an attempt to stop socialism in Asia. Typical pro-China western propaganda.

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

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The Fighting Slowpokes

turn off the TV posted:

The Hoa owned the majority of businesses in South Vietnam and had their belongings reappropriated under socialism, while many were sent to re-education camps.

It's not surprising that you would try to portray socialism as genocide in order to defend a government openly cooperating with capitalists in an attempt to stop socialism in Asia. Typical pro-China western propaganda.

they got pushed onto leaky boats to drown in the South China sea

but this is ok because

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
oh boy just wait till you find out that all those landlords were Chinese

turn off the TV
Aug 4, 2010

moderately annoying

Typo posted:

they got pushed onto leaky boats to drown in the South China sea

but this is ok because

Is it wrong to kill landlords?

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
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turn off the TV posted:

Is it wrong to kill landlords?

first of all, this is outright racism, not every Chinese person who lived in Vietnam was a landlord, in fact relatively few were

second of all, as China showed, even someone who looked as nonredeemable as a former emperor like Puyi can be properly re-integrated into a socialist society given enough effort

what Vietnam did was pure ethnic chauvinism: dressing up racism as class struggle

but "turn off the TV" is a fashy who likes the idea of pushing kids into the sea to drown so it's understandable that he's an idiot

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Typo posted:

first of all, this is outright racism, not every Chinese person who lived in Vietnam was a landlord, in fact relatively few were

I have extremely bad news about Maoist land reform

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

gradenko_2000 posted:

oh boy just wait till you find out that all those landlords were Chinese

lmao

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