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30.5 Days posted:I don't understand exactly what benefit Ummuna is expecting to derive from this. Even if they manage to hand the tories another government and corbyn is ousted as a result, surely everyone involved with this debacle will be radioactive and never see any actual political benefit whatsoever. he was absolutely getting deselected at the next election
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HiHo ChiRho posted:Apparently this was the UK's position: "As a smaller party with less leverage and influence we will be able to get equal or better trade deals in the future." - A complete moron, Earth
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Feb 18, 2019 13:44
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namesake posted:I think after this launch this probably won't go according to plan! This is seriously the most idiotic political move that could possibly be made. Their only case for splintering like this is to push for "people's vote" or whatever to revoke Article 50, but instead they're standing on the completely baseless antisemitism allegations. If they had made their case only about revoking A50 it still wouldn't make a difference because there's not enough time to force a referendum from outside the party, and they're distracting attention away from Brexit doom anyway by harping on antisemitism. The only sensible move to make was to keep demanding People's Vote from within Labour, then split to do a Return to EU movement afterwards when they'd have a legitimate political grievance - but they can't even wait long enough to even make it look like they're not being purely self-serving cynics. A more observant society would be interning them in a morgue, because they're already legally brain dead.
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30.5 Days posted:I don't understand exactly what benefit Ummuna is expecting to derive from this. Even if they manage to hand the tories another government and corbyn is ousted as a result, surely everyone involved with this debacle will be radioactive and never see any actual political benefit whatsoever. fancy directorships being in corbyn labour offers gently caress all for chances to be being the dudes who torpedo'd corbyn labour in defence of capital definitely does.
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Yeah, like would it not have made more sense to do this after Brexit. Say, "This is Jeremy's Fault that he didn't push for a People's Vote". Instead they look like they are running scared of CLP changes. Also, all they've done now is ensure that Corbyn is kept from power until 2022. The Tories were probably going to keep things going until then.
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Jel Shaker posted:local politics still is very much put a rosette on a Labrador and people will vote for it anyway Honestly, I think more Labradors in politics can only be an improvement.
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Gripweed posted:What's BAME? being black or "a funny tinge"
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https://www.patreon.com/posts/24784500Richard Seymour posted:They call it a split; I call it doing a Jonestown. MPs quitting Labour today have just blown their "nuclear option" prematurely, in the least convincing manner. While damaging to Labour ahead of the Brexit deadline, expeditiously for May, it chiefly harms Corbyn's opponents in Labour. bitmap posted:being black or "a funny tinge" Just saw this. Seriously, this is a clusterfuck. Corbyn was given a great gift today by this reckless act. Thank God.
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So, as an outsider from UK politics, am I missing something here, or did these guys just ensure Corbin stays in charge of Labour for the foreseeable future? What leverage could they possibly have in this situation that they did not have inside Labour? Anyway, we're totally getting a hard Brexit, huh?
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i say swears online posted:https://tribunemag.co.uk/2019/02/yesterdays-man?fbclid=IwAR2gkIJhZsL2upm64hGUv0I2BFP8dz_yw_1dN0veCv4BBMBiUw4aUWDhKuk Why are all the picture links broken?
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bitmap posted:being black or "a funny tinge" I thought she was going for tint but I guess tinge is also possible. also wow that didn't take long
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Shakenbaker posted:I thought she was going for tint but I guess tinge is also possible. also wow that didn't take long Look it doesn't matter what the word was specifically unless you can think of one where that isn't a really loving weird if not bluntly racist comment.
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i say swears online posted:https://tribunemag.co.uk/2019/02/yesterdays-man?fbclid=IwAR2gkIJhZsL2upm64hGUv0I2BFP8dz_yw_1dN0veCv4BBMBiUw4aUWDhKuk solomon hughes is a really good twitter follow
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namesake posted:Look it doesn't matter what the word was specifically unless you can think of one where that isn't a really loving weird if not bluntly racist comment. You're right of course. Wasn't trying to give her cover or anything like that so I apologize for my flip tone. She clearly sees white as the default and told on herself with amazing speed.
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mostly totally ignorant on uk happenings, but can someone give a rundown on the corbyn antisemitism thing. Is it mostly "Corbyn is leftist and interacted with some less favorable brown people that one time" like it sounds like or is it something else
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kaleedity posted:mostly totally ignorant on uk happenings, but can someone give a rundown on the corbyn antisemitism thing. Is it mostly "Corbyn is leftist and interacted with some less favorable brown people that one time" like it sounds like or is it something else its conflating criticism of the Israeli state as anti jewish
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hold on, so all the people disingenuously crying about Corbyn's "antisemitism" just split off from Labor, but there were only 7 of them, and also they immediately did racist poo poo, immediately marginalizing and discrediting their message and actions? so Corbyn now has actual full control over Labour?
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SKULL.GIF posted:hold on, so all the people disingenuously crying about Corbyn's "antisemitism" just split off from Labor, but there were only 7 of them, and also they immediately did racist poo poo, immediately marginalizing and discrediting their message and actions? Pretty much. Blairism has gone off into the good night with a gentle whimper.
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Been out of the loop on this for a bit. Was wondering. Everytime it pops up on reddit it a bunch of comments bitching that Corbyn hasn't done anything about it. Isn't labour still the minority party though?
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Crowsbeak posted:Pretty much. Blairism has gone off into the good night with a gentle whimper. Ohhhhh man. Go jam man go 
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Whilst they are clearly experts in self-owning they also have the full throated unconditional support of the media class, so none of these things will be reported on in print
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shirts and skins posted:So, as an outsider from UK politics, am I missing something here, or did these guys just ensure Corbin stays in charge of Labour for the foreseeable future? What leverage could they possibly have in this situation that they did not have inside Labour? Self-identified centrists massively overestimating their theoretical popularity as usual.
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Oh turns out its a grift https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/1097474345381912577
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Self-identified centrists massively overestimating their theoretical popularity as usual. Lol didn't Labour open up their party membership because they thought it would flood them with centrists. The result from it was Corbyn taking over
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SKULL.GIF posted:hold on, so all the people disingenuously crying about Corbyn's "antisemitism" just split off from Labor, but there were only 7 of them, and also they immediately did racist poo poo, immediately marginalizing and discrediting their message and actions? I mean, not really. There are plenty of centrist MPs still in the party, they're just smart enough to know this won't help them/loyal to the party as an institution to stay. Corbyn has pretty much had full control for a while which is why most of the recent fights over internal committee seats have been between unions who support Corbyn and membership groups who support him like Momentum. The parliamentary party is still where he's weakest but, aside from today's quitters, even the MPs who don't like him have realised they aren't getting rid of him soon so they might as well keep their heads down.
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Raccooon posted:Lol didn't Labour open up their party membership because they thought it would flood them with centrists. The result from it was Corbyn taking over More that they thought the existing membership were Tories like them, which turned out to be just under half right (i.e. not enough to get Chuka and co. the Shadow Cabinet roles that are their birthright and a prerequisite of a revolving door lobbyist job for after politics)
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kaleedity posted:mostly totally ignorant on uk happenings, but can someone give a rundown on the corbyn antisemitism thing. Is it mostly "Corbyn is leftist and interacted with some less favorable brown people that one time" like it sounds like or is it something else Corbyn specifically is just being attacked for being anti-Israel, and I think he once used an anti-Semitic trope when criticizing bankers and apologized once he was told it had a second meaning. There's fair criticism of the Labour party for being too tolerant of anti-Semitism in their ranks, but the right-wing parties and UK media harping on it are real usual suspects who are incidentally supported by all the open nazis and white supremacists, which should be no reason for concern.
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Carlos Danger posted:What's the problem with ID cards? yeah that's one of the things i found weird among uk leftists as a european, but after living here for quite a while i started seeing it their way- wouldn't trust this shower of poo poo racist government with id cards for gently caress
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