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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Corbyn specifically is just being attacked for being anti-Israel, and I think he once used an anti-Semitic trope when criticizing bankers and apologized once he was told it had a second meaning. There's fair criticism of the Labour party for being too tolerant of anti-Semitism in their ranks, but the right-wing parties and UK media harping on it are real usual suspects who are incidentally supported by all the open nazis and white supremacists, which should be no reason for concern. When did trope become the term over sterotype. Feel like I have never seen it used that way until the Omar stuff happened.
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Coohoolin posted:yeah that's one of the things i found weird among uk leftists as a european, but after living here for quite a while i started seeing it their way- wouldn't trust this shower of poo poo racist government with id cards for gently caress Why? Doesn't the government already know who you are for tax/healthcare purposes?
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Huh? The UK doesn't have ID cards? So you have to bring/ show your passport everywhere when you need to identify yourself?
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Feb 18, 2019 16:48
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Why do they call Corbyn "Jezza" and May "Tezza"?Is this a weird British thing?
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SardonicTyrant posted:Why do they call Corbyn "Jezza" and May "Tezza"?Is this a weird British thing? Jeremy is Jezza Theresa is Tezza ...it's not very complicated.
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Feb 18, 2019 16:51
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I thought Jezza was Jeremy Clarkson, now it all seems less interesting
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Feb 18, 2019 16:52
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people here use things like drivers licenses, provisional drivers licenses, or a passport. it's a bit weird but if the tories started implementing a national ID database they'd use it for things like flagging you up for travelling or opening bank accounts if you're foreign or the DWP thinks you're lazy
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Carlos Danger posted:What's the problem with ID cards? LOL have you seen this country? Especially in the Blair years they were continually leaving sensitive data on trains and poo poo. Combine that with the deeply unsettling love for monitoring by our government and I think the scepticism is well placed. Also we were being asked to pay about £ 90 for it and gently caress flat taxes.
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Feb 18, 2019 16:54
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...but an ID card is just a cheaper version of passport? lol this is blowing my mind
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Feb 18, 2019 16:56
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can't they just use your national insurance number? how is an ID card any different?
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oliwan posted:Huh? The UK doesn't have ID cards? So you have to bring/ show your passport everywhere when you need to identify yourself? No? I don't need to take ID to identify myself very often? Why would you? Haven't been asked for proof of age when buying bevvy in a decade and aside from applying for jobs I dunno when else I'd need ID. The ID cards were going to have all sorts of biometric data on it, which is a bit different from the data held for the National Insurance number. forkboy84 has issued a correction as of 16:59 on Feb 18, 2019 |
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it's the prospect of the government having everyone's data in a single database that's upsetting I found it supremely weird as well but they seem to muddle along well enough and i can use my swiss ID with no big hassle (except that one time years ago when morrisons didn't accept it for booze)
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Feb 18, 2019 16:57
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But a government database has nothing to do with having or not having an ID card, because an ID card is just a cheaper version of a passport?
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Feb 18, 2019 16:59
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Coohoolin posted:it's the prospect of the government having everyone's data in a single database that's upsetting I guess driving is as ubiquitous there as it is in the US but still isn't there one nation wide driver's license database?
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Jose posted:So their plan is to run in labour marginals which means they're expressly trying to gently caress over corbyn where are you seeing this
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Feb 18, 2019 17:00
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oliwan posted:...but an ID card is just a cheaper version of passport? lol this is blowing my mind New Labour tried to introduce ID cards back in the mid 2000s and it caused a massive shitstorm.
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It is extremely nonsensical to have (expensive) passports, but not have the option for a cheaper ID card instead. edit: for instance, I dont have a passport because it's too expensive and I don't travel to countries that request it, so I go with the cheaper ID card instead 
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oliwan posted:But a government database has nothing to do with having or not having an ID card, because an ID card is just a cheaper version of a passport? The idea of ID cards is it lets the government collect more information about you. I tell the passport office where I live once every 10 years. With ID cards they could log every time I used it for something official, so every time I move job, move house, claim benefits etc.
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oliwan posted:It is extremely nonsensical to have (expensive) passports, but not have the option for a cheaper ID card instead. ID cards can gently caress off in the UK, we don't ID people going into pubs or bars, so why the gently caress do we need them? This annoys me about america 'land of the free' yeah but u need ur loving ID to get a pint, loving cunts.
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https://twitter.com/KeithSimmonds7/status/1097520474425360385
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JFairfax posted:ID cards can gently caress off in the UK, we don't ID people going into pubs or bars, so why the gently caress do we need them? uhm yeah we do?
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JFairfax posted:ID cards can gently caress off in the UK, we don't ID people going into pubs or bars, so why the gently caress do we need them? In normal countries an id card is just a cheaper version of a passport, op.
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tarbrush posted:The idea of ID cards is it lets the government collect more information about you. I tell the passport office where I live once every 10 years. With ID cards they could log every time I used it for something official, so every time I move job, move house, claim benefits etc. This is the principal problem, yeah. It's why there are not universal ID cards in the US, either. And if you think that it's all moot because any government agency could just merge/join data about you from different ID sources across different jurisdictions, then just fuckin lol.
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The US doesn't have a national ID card because we have 50 state ID cards, not because they're not necessary. Well, technically theres the passport card but thats pretty useless. captainbananas posted:This is the principal problem, yeah. It's why there are not universal ID cards in the US, either. And if you think that it's all moot because any government agency could just merge/join data about you from different ID sources across different jurisdictions, then just fuckin lol. Theres a "universal" one for each state though.
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Raccooon posted:When did trope become the term over sterotype. Feel like I have never seen it used that way until the Omar stuff happened. A stereotype is a presumption about individuals, while a trope is a narrative device, as I understand it. I've always used both terms. A stereotype would be comparing someone to the happy merchant while the Zionist octopus having a tentacle in every government on earth would be a trope.
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Coohoolin posted:uhm yeah we do? erm, no we don't. I cannot remember the last time I got asked for ID buying booze in England. maybe they just ID you in Scotland because you look like a massive oval office?
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oliwan posted:In normal countries an id card is just a cheaper version of a passport, op. you think the UK is a normal country? do you know what thread you are in motherfucker?
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I assume the ID you if you look 18ish? In the US because there are penalties on the retailer for selling underage people booze they ID loving everybody
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JFairfax posted:erm, no we don't. I cannot remember the last time I got asked for ID buying booze in England. https://www.wsta.co.uk/challenge-25
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is this a loving humblebrag to say you look under 25 ?
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oliwan posted:In normal countries an id card is just a cheaper version of a passport, op. i use my driving license but this is the problem with the idea forkboy84 posted:
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could someone tell the uk that you can have ID cards without coupling them to a database
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you can but new labour were authoritarian as gently caress which is why everyone hated the idea and it was going to cost some insane amount of money
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oliwan posted:In normal countries an id card is just a cheaper version of a passport, op. They don’t want your chlorinated, globalist cards. Try to be logical.
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lol https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/644428141302255616
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oliwan posted:could someone tell the uk that you can have ID cards without coupling them to a database LOL
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JFairfax posted:is this a loving humblebrag to say you look under 25 ? no you loving idiot it's that there's a uk wide policy to ID people for booze don't you live in the US anyway
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Coohoolin confirmed as having a wispy pretence of a beard
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Coohoolin posted:no you loving idiot it's that there's a uk wide policy to ID people for booze if they look under 25 you dozy oval office. and they never do anyway. plus there is already the Validate official photo ID if you want to have proof you are 18+  https://www.validateuk.co.uk but I've never known anyone ever to get one.
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