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pookel posted:Have you never noticed that the internet is full of lovely, reactionary, homophobic, transphobic, misogynistic, racist atheists though? Here's the deal with Religion. Religion is a more complex form of culture. Culture is the driving force not religion. Ever wonder why Jesus (i.e. a peace god) that walks around saying things like "Live by the sword die by the sword" and "turn the other cheek" was suddenly cool with Dues Vauting Jerusalem during the middle ages? Catholic Culture changed and the Religion was forced to change with it. This is why attacks on Religion are so pointless as it will change and morph around what the culture needs from it unless someone with religious power tries and pull the culture shift back. In the more autonomous American Protestant religions you see this shifting, altering and splitting off into new religions every year to meet the needs of the local sub-culture.
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i am harry posted:There’s sugar in fruit Oh ok so sugar isn't an addictive drug and I do need it to live thanks for clarifying
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Your Taint posted:Lots of churches are. Hell if every single one of those Westboro Baptist fucks died a horrible death tomorrow the world would be a better place and I'd probably have a drink in celebration. As well as any of those preachers who say all gays go to hell or any of that poo poo. gently caress them. Okay cool Your Taint posted:A lot of churches are also very progressive and open and pretty chill, too. Again, it's not the religion, IMO, it's what the people who follow the religion do with that knowledge and those teachings. But this is kinda the problem. Literally no one was contesting this. It is so loving frustrating when someone points out that a specific church is homophobic and then people like you come out on a mission to defend the honor of Christians as a whole.
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One other FDA issue that can be a problem (which they're trying to fix recently) is that their inspectors have a wide variety of experience that can lead to some inconsistency in inspections. I've done consulting work for some people who have small pharma/food units on otherwise industrial sites, and the inspector's background can really make or break things.
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Feb 18, 2019 19:59
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Sam has a message for those posting about religion ITT
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Feb 18, 2019 20:00
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That is indeed a mighty Taint. Perhaps we should go back to talking about the one who is President.
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Saagonsa posted:Okay cool How is it different than when a certain sect or cluster of followers of a non Christian religion is lovely and people come out to defend that religion as a whole from attackers (as they should, btw)? I mean, if it's cool to poo poo on Christians as a whole when a church is homophobic or lovely in some other way, why isn't it cool to defend them as a whole under the same circumstances?
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Feinne posted:One other FDA issue that can be a problem (which they're trying to fix recently) is that their inspectors have a wide variety of experience that can lead to some inconsistency in inspections. I've done consulting work for some people who have small pharma/food units on otherwise industrial sites, and the inspector's background can really make or break things. You're absolutely right, I've heard reports about that as well, and it's perplexing. I'd assume it's another casualty of their resource-starved budget, but I honestly have no idea what's going on there. I was feeling guilty about that mondopost and derailing, but given what I'm seeing above, please consider this a threat: If the thread continues down this path, I will deploy BBQchat.
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Feb 18, 2019 20:06
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I do not understand what the gently caress was the original intention for the legislative filibuster but I cannot believe that it was ever meant to mean that nothing can ever pass ever without at least 60 votes. If that was the case that would just be the default and there wouldn’t be a filibuster. This became a problem because of Republicans in the 90s didn’t it?
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I think the forums dying there for a few minutes was an omen about this topic. So it turns out the Aurora shooter wasn't even supposed to have a gun because he STABBED HIS EX GIRLFRIEND. loving christ. The cops were supposed to seize his guns but they didn't. https://komonews.com/news/nation-world/aurora-illinois-shooters-permit-was-revoked-but-gun-wasnt-seized
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silicone thrills posted:I think the forums dying there for a few minutes was an omen about this topic. The system works!
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https://twitter.com/jonswaine/status/1097574608692264961 (Actual post is on Roger's Instagram)
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Your Taint posted:I mean, if it's cool to poo poo on Christians as a whole when a church is homophobic or lovely in some other way Nobody did this. You're so fragile that you took someone pointing out that a specific church was homophobic as people saying that all of Christianity is homophobic
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The absolute minimum response to domestic abuse should be confiscating all of a perpetrator's weapons and round the clock monitoring for at least a year. These guys always have these similar backgrounds.
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Discendo Vox posted:Current events: What the hell, you guys, Trump's appointee for FDA commissioner, Scott Gottlieb, is probably the best commissioner the organization has had in decades. It is very weird to me, given what you describe, that this person hasn't been targeted for replacement by now. It's a political appointment with no fixed term. Slipping through the cracks is one thing, but I wouldn't at all expect the vested interests in question to be complacent. You have a view on what's going on there?
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JasonV posted:https://twitter.com/jonswaine/status/1097574608692264961 Ok first of all those are survey markets, secondly the
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JasonV posted:https://twitter.com/jonswaine/status/1097574608692264961 i mean i get this is all a show for trump/his hosed up brain/the chuds and fits with his jerk off "i am villian my dear" persona, but this stupid littlefinger type poo poo backfires in real life.
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Feb 18, 2019 20:39
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JasonV posted:https://twitter.com/jonswaine/status/1097574608692264961 Serious question: is this a crime? Or is it not a crime and just incredibly dumb?
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Feb 18, 2019 20:40
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lol This fuckin loser Roger Stone can't even hit in his own photoshopped image. Edit: They say religion is the opiate of the masses and Trump declared a national emergency on opioids so Trump is technically attacking religion.
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Feb 18, 2019 20:40
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Saagonsa posted:Nobody did this. You're so fragile that you took someone pointing out that a specific church was homophobic as people saying that all of Christianity is homophobic All christian churches except the ultra fringe ones that have weird alternative bibles have bibles that say lovely heteronormative sexist, homophobic things. You can say some people and some churches don't follow those parts or have ways to explain how they aren't right or shouldn't be interpreted that way. But then you have circled back around to chris saying he doesn't follow that part of the religion and then people going 'well the church says it so *I'm* deciding you DO follow it.
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Mind_Taker posted:Serious question: is this a crime? Or is it not a crime and just incredibly dumb? It's prosecutable. Doesn't mean it will be but it can be.
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Feb 18, 2019 20:42
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i mean i get this is all a show for trump/his hosed up brain/the chuds and fits with his jerk off "i am villian my dear" persona, but this stupid littlefinger type poo poo backfires in real life. McConnel has been re-elected how many times?
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I do not understand what the gently caress was the original intention for the legislative filibuster but I cannot believe that it was ever meant to mean that nothing can ever pass ever without at least 60 votes. If that was the case that would just be the default and there wouldn’t be a filibuster. If someone cares enough to stand in the assembly for hours or how long it takes, it must be an issue that matters a lot to them. Or that's the theory. Now you don't need to physically take the chamber. It was a problem when the Southern bloc of Dixiecrats would just filibuster any civil rights legislation back in the 50s and 60s. Ague Proof fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Feb 18, 2019 |
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https://twitter.com/nprinskeep/status/1097249119964459010?s=21 Sure Steve.
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Ague Proof posted:If someone cares enough to stand in the assembly for hours or how long it takes, it must be an issue that matters a lot to them. Or that's the theory. Now you don't need to physically take the chamber. I understand the filibuster where someone stands in the chamber and won’t shut up. I do not understand the filibuster where a party can just go “no” and the bill is dead.
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eviltastic posted:It is very weird to me, given what you describe, that this person hasn't been targeted for replacement by now. It's a political appointment with no fixed term. Slipping through the cracks is one thing, but I wouldn't at all expect the vested interests in question to be complacent. You have a view on what's going on there? Maybe trump thinks the dude will help his lovely restaurants pass a health inspection?
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Your Taint posted:True, but if someone is a truly good person and don't hate gays or whatever and eat the cracker, is it a bad thing? Does it make society worse in any way if that's how that particular person chooses to live their life? Look, all religions *by definition* either require or at least encourage their followers to accept or create "answers" to fundamentally unanswerable questions on extremely tenuous grounds/evidence. That's not a great thing, especially when many religions go on to ask followers to accept blatantly incorrect answers to questions that can be addressed with evidence. That's not a great thing, though I'm not going to personally give anyone a hard time for their spirituality (especially since so many people find it useful). But we should hold people and religious groups accountable for the lovely parts of their worldviews, especially if it comes from a religious source. Your Taint posted:How is it different than when a certain sect or cluster of followers of a non Christian religion is lovely and people come out to defend that religion as a whole from attackers (as they should, btw)? Nobody is making GBS threads on Christians or Christianity as a whole (except maybe me in this post).
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Mind_Taker posted:Serious question: is this a crime? Or is it not a crime and just incredibly dumb? I'm pretty sure it is.
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I’m pretty sure Federal Judges would want to make an example of that kind of behavior too.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I understand the filibuster where someone stands in the chamber and won’t shut up. I do not understand the filibuster where a party can just go “no” and the bill is dead. To save time they've gone to "if you threaten to filibuster" because the Senate has only so many days in session and so much time to deal with legislation, so rather than waste the time they just acknowledge that someone will filibuster and don't bring it up. It's a stupid thing really, a filibuster and filibuster-proof conceptualization would be a lot more useful if there the US had a parliamentary system, but with a two-party system, it just contributes to the dysfunction.
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Ooof. Restrooms: not at all tied to any recent political controversies involving equality or inclusive/exclusiveness.
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Remember that time that Palin had a bunch of politicians in crosshairs and then Gabby Giffords got shot and Palin was like "of course you arent supposed to take me putting politicians literally in crosshairs of a gun as literal"
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eviltastic posted:It is very weird to me, given what you describe, that this person hasn't been targeted for replacement by now. It's a political appointment with no fixed term. Slipping through the cracks is one thing, but I wouldn't at all expect the vested interests in question to be complacent. You have a view on what's going on there? I'm not certain, but my impression is Gottlieb is basically just being incredibly strategic with his pronouncements. He's bundling periodic or long-scheduled changes in with new initiatives in with new actions, framing divisive issues with rhetorics of inevitability (e.g. presenting a given broad issue/change in terms of historic examples of longstanding, severe examples of abuse that make good press copy), he has a really tight understanding of policy issues and arguments (I've seen him handle adverse questioning on the record up close and he handles it very smoothly). He's letting FDA determine the scope of the changes, and he's not trying to champion some new, disruptive leadership initiative. Above all else: he's selective about what he's pursuing. initial announcements are leveraged as the thin end of the wedge for bigger, more controversial changes, sure, but there are all sorts of needed reforms that he's not pursuing, because he knows they're either politically unfeasible or would simply attract too much attention. Being able to make decisions about what's actually achieveable, and making sure they're things the FDA career employees want, means he stays off the broader political radar and quietly get things done. It's clear this recent dietary supplement announcement has been in preparation for at least four months, but I heard nothing about it despite being in close contact with one of the organizations that's involved. These are all the marks of an effective bureaucrat, and no one thought he had it in him when he came in- he was viewed with every inch of the distrust that a Trump appointee coming from industry deserved. He's also a miserably boring public speaker when reading from prepared material. Frankly, I'm glad there's one thing I'm better at than him- he's basically executing on a set of strategies and initiatives I'd grown up planning to perform at FDA. I'm incredibly jealous that he's taking my childhood dream away, even if I'm thrilled with the results so far. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Feb 18, 2019 |
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KKKLIP ART posted:Remember that time that Palin had a bunch of politicians in crosshairs and then Gabby Giffords got shot and Palin was like "of course you arent supposed to take me putting politicians literally in crosshairs of a gun as literal"  And nothing happened to Palin for it. Its to hard to prove intent.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I understand the filibuster where someone stands in the chamber and won’t shut up. I do not understand the filibuster where a party can just go “no” and the bill is dead. The disadvantage of having controversial bills stopped by the opposing minority party seems big, but isn't - a lot of bills that wouldn't get 60 votes wouldn't get 50 votes either. For example, anti-lynching bills in the 60s and the ACA repeal.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I do not understand what the gently caress was the original intention for the legislative filibuster but I cannot believe that it was ever meant to mean that nothing can ever pass ever without at least 60 votes. If that was the case that would just be the default and there wouldn’t be a filibuster.
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Mind_Taker posted:Serious question: is this a crime? Or is it not a crime and just incredibly dumb? It can be a threat and can be a crime but what’s much more likely is that the judge presiding over your case is going to be much less likely to put up with you and your lawyers bullshit and will likely now be looking at a much harsher sentence if you’re convicted. All in all the legal term for this would be “A bad move”
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pseudanonymous posted:To save time they've gone to "if you threaten to filibuster" because the Senate has only so many days in session and so much time to deal with legislation, so rather than waste the time they just acknowledge that someone will filibuster and don't bring it up. It would also make more sense if the Senate was sane and/or more representative of the US, instead of being far more conservative and pro-corporate/wealthy than the average American.
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A modern megachurch typically aims to be as generically positive and uncontroversial as possible, doubly so if they realize a celebrity regularly attends. The less people know their pastors' actual stances on weighty topics, the better. It's not in those church leaderships' best interests for you to really get engaged beyond inviting other people to the church. I'm not saying it's unfair to call Chris Pratt out on what his church believes, but I just wanted to point out how common it is for the attendees of a megachurch to be ignorant of the beliefs of its staff, and that is by design.
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