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Kurieg posted:There's nothing in beast worth saving. Every "good" thing that beast does is stolen from another game line. They aren't all in the same place like they are in Beast, but they don't work well together so that's kind of the problem. It's this MonsieurChoc posted:I think it shows how beloved the WoD is that when a bad game got released fans try to save it somehow. It's possible to take Beast and do what was done to Changeling where only the non-controversial surface elements are kept, but major underlying organs and features are replaced wholesale with something different and better.
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maybethis is a pivot due to how well the new mtg online thing is going
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ProfessorCirno posted:they aren't actually donating anything to RAIN, just putting it's name there in hopes you'll draw a connection between them and WotC that doesn't exist. T Holy poo poo I had to reread the statement because I completely read it like you say, as WOTC donating.
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 Magic was one of Hasbro's few remaining profitable lines - they had an *abysmal* 2018 - and in response they're going to kill it to try and squeeze out more money. Guess we don't have to worry about Wizards literally pretending to donate to RAIN and not doing it if Hasbro kills them off.
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ProfessorCirno posted:
I hadn't heard their 2018 was so bad. Do you have any more information on this?
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I’d be interested to know what issues mtg had in 2018. It seems like a bunch of gaming stores will go bankrupt without magic.
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DalaranJ posted:I’d be interested to know what issues mtg had in 2018. It seems like a bunch of gaming stores will go bankrupt without magic. Yeah, this seems fairly apocalyptic to a lot of brick and mortar
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DalaranJ posted:I’d be interested to know what issues mtg had in 2018. It seems like a bunch of gaming stores will go bankrupt without magic. Sorry - MtG did absolutely fine over 2018, which is why they're now going to be butchered, because capitalism is an *extremely* good and efficient system. It was Hasbro at large that had a terrible 2018. It turns out major toy stores closing down after being themselves butchered for parts really hurts toy sales!
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ProfessorCirno posted:Sorry - MtG did absolutely fine over 2018, which is why they're now going to be butchered, because capitalism is an *extremely* good and efficient system. Was gonna post about that Looking at the Q4 reports from Hasbro, MtG and D&D (with others in aggregate) did well, but other tanked more and drove it all down. It was also affected (or so they say) by the closing of Toys'R'Us https://investor.hasbro.com/news-releases/news-release-details/hasbro-reports-full-year-and-fourth-quarter-2018-financial quote:Full-year 2018 Franchise Brand net revenues decreased 9% to $2.45 billion. Revenue gains in MONOPOLY and MAGIC: THE GATHERING was more than offset by declines in all other Franchise Brands. Franchise Brand revenues grew in the Entertainment and Licensing segment; but declined in the U.S. and Canada and International segments. Edit: where are you reading that MtG is gonna be butchered though?
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You'll recall too that Wizards started selling direct on Amazon. You can get a box of Ravnica Allegiance for $96.75 with free shipping. Yeah, I know they can be found cheaper elsewhere. This isn't the end of the world but nothing they've been doing in the last year has been helping stores make money selling MTG. Stores making money and staying open is how the community grows and stays healthy.
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xiw posted:Holy poo poo I had to reread the statement because I completely read it like you say, as WOTC donating. According to one on of the One BookShelf folks in the RPG.net thread wizards is indeed donating their cut off the bundle.
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ProfessorCirno posted:It's an incredibly disgusting response because they aren't actually donating anything to RAIN, just putting it's name there in hopes you'll draw a connection between them and WotC that doesn't exist. They are doing actually less then nothing - they're letting someone else do something, and are trying to take credit for it after they assisted zak.
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:I thought WotC got a cut of everything sold on DMsguild, did I misremember that? I mean, that's kinda scummy to begin with but I presume they're at least donating that. Wait why is it scummy to take a cut on stuff that is sold using their brand. Xelkelvos posted:Edit: where are you reading that MtG is gonna be butchered though? Also curious about this. I am unfamiliar with a lot of this stuff, so I don't understand how much this affects MtG. MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Feb 19, 2019 |
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MonsterEnvy posted:Wait why is it scummy to take a cut on stuff that is sold using their brand.
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Ehhh probably not worth debating here and my position is probably poorly thought out, but I don't think they should get paid for other people's work, even those other folks get all the cachet and glamour that comes with the dungeons and dragons brand name. It'd be one thing for a fixed fee on using a logo, but to me, a percentage cut is odious. I really don't think even a percentage is all that bad, but the ~50% all these community content programs take is some real bullshit.
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I am also angry about stores that sell books profiting off their scummy theft of the author's works
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MonsterEnvy posted:Wait why is it scummy to take a cut on stuff that is sold using their brand. They're essentially making money and collecting goodwill on a fundraiser meant to help victims of their employees. There's more layers and nuance to it, but that's the short version. It's gross.
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Yeah, the solution seems simple. Go to a lower priced competitor like itch.io, and don't use IP you don't own.
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itch.io is great for rpgs, imo.
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moths posted:They're essentially making money and collecting goodwill on a fundraiser meant to help victims of their employees. There's more layers and nuance to it, but that's the short version. neaden posted:According to one on of the One BookShelf folks in the RPG.net thread wizards is indeed donating their cut off the bundle.
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Leperflesh posted:I am also angry about stores that sell books profiting off their scummy theft of the author's works Comparing a physical storefront selling physical products to one where you buy PDFs is not really apples to apples - one of them involves the creator selling physical objects to a store for a certain price, and then the store reselling them for a higher price. The creator gets paid when they sell them to the store, there's opportunity cost to shipping them and holding them and displaying them. The other involves the creator uploading their work once, and the storefront distributing as many copies as they can sell for near-zero marginal cost per copy. That is a valid service to run and something worth paying for but they do nothing warranting a percentage take, let alone the ludicrous 30% that OBS takes by default. My understanding is that WotC's cut is on top of that already ludicrous 30%, but it's possible I'm wrong.
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moths posted:They're essentially making money and collecting goodwill on a fundraiser meant to help victims of their employees. There's more layers and nuance to it, but that's the short version. That was not what I was talking about.
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:AFAIK, WOTC's cut is separate from the storefront's cut which is still ludicrously high on OneBookShelf. itch.io is much better but doesn't do the print on demand stuff. What do you think would constitute a reasonable take? I assume the content owners are agreeing to this distribution channel... is this a case where they have some kind of monopoly, so content creators have effectively no ability to find a better deal elsewhere? In general, what constitutes a reasonable price is not tightly coupled to what a product costs to produce; it is coupled instead to supply and demand, as I'm sure you're aware. If you just have a general objection to that model, I understand, and won't interrogate you further; it just seems like there has to be something more than that going on here, to have raised general ire, and I must be missing an important detail.
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Leperflesh posted:What do you think would constitute a reasonable take? I think it probably is a general objection and this one feels more personal and worth wasting space in this thread for because I know people who support or hope to support themselves on RPG book sales. I'll drop it.
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Jaym Gates shares a bit about Holden and Mørke.
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No, that's at least coherent, which is more than I deserve after making a flippant, snide remark. I don't particularly agree, but I understand. Thanks for explaining.
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Edit: removing my reply cause I just saw the guy wants to drop it and it's not a big deal. Leperflesh posted:What do you think would constitute a reasonable take? In this situation there is no monopoly. It's just extra cost the creators are agreeing to so they can use a brand. MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Feb 20, 2019 |
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Why, this might tarnish Holden's new role as Leading Light In The Battle Against Darkness In The RPG Community.
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Complicated because I'm fairly sure the Arab-American friend they mention is Suleiman. Though calling him a terrorist sympathizer for being of Palestinian descent instead of admitting he was doing the same thing as Morke is a scummy move though.
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Der Waffle Mous posted:Complicated because I'm fairly sure the Arab-American friend they mention is Suleiman. Correct on both counts.
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WotC Speaks http://dnd.wizards.com/articles/news/dndstatement tl;dr, we should not have hired Zak, have no desire to work with him, and we are removing his credit. Also we are donating the proceeds from a bundle to RAINN. (edit - and I am. Sooo. loving late on this.) quote:To all D&D fans, dwarf74 fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Feb 20, 2019 |
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Mearls is a goddamn gently caress covering his own rear end.
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dwarf74 posted:. Also we are donating the proceeds from a bundle to RAINN. Except that isn't their bundle. They're just signal boosting in a super skeezy way that makes you think they are doing anything at all
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Didn't Jaym back CAS back when that happened?
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ravenkult posted:Didn't Jaym back CAS back when that happened?
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fosborb posted:Except that isn't their bundle. They're just signal boosting in a super skeezy way that makes you think they are doing anything at all Why do people keep saying this, when it's been explicitly stated earlier in the thread that the money WotC would be getting from the bundle is going to RAINN
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Iirc most of Hasbro's problems are more stockholder related because modern Capitalism is a goddamn disease. They apparently sort of told lies when Tru got turbofucked by Bain and that's like bad n poo poo. (The fact that stockholders are lovely and are ruining Capitalism can probably be ignored here in this case..) Plus the last Bay TF movie did not exactly light the world on fire, Star Wars is in rear end shape thanks to Disney being clueless, and toys in general losing out to Smart Device Pay to Win poo poo with the kiddies and yeah. Bad times for my favorite toy company/IP hoarder.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Why do people keep saying this, when it's been explicitly stated earlier in the thread that the money WotC would be getting from the bundle is going to RAINN Because that's just speculation on our part and WotC didn't actually say they would in that statement of theirs? Unless I missed some tweet from a WotC employee or something, they basically implied that they would donate without actually saying anything of the sort.
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