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Enel isn't made of lightning, he's made of electricity. Which in fiction is essentially the same speed as light as long as there conducting material around.
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The Admirals all have insanely broken Devil Fruits in their own way. Aokiji's ice powers basically cancel out his weakness to water, and his ability to freely travel over it and freeze huge stretches of sea at a time means he can deal with entire fleets by himself. Kizaru is meanwhile capable of travelling between islands near-instantly (not surprising that he's the first Admiral to show up when someone decks a Celestial Dragon, he's probably their go-to rapid response guy) and recovering from being exploded into pieces, I imagine if he has any weaknesses it's that the human mind isn't really capable of keeping up with all the potential uses of his power. (One of the video games at least suggests he's possibly on par with Enel, possibly more because Enel has more perspective on fighting someone with those kinds of powers than anyone else) And Akainu's magma explicitly overpowers Ace's fire, and is probably the most powerful Devil Fruit in terms of sheer destructive force. (melting half of Whitebeard's head and all) It isn't certain whether having a really good Devil Fruit power is guaranteed promotion or the WG gives the most powerful Fruits to freshly promoted Admirals. (given CP9 had unidentified Devil Fruits offered to them partway through Water 7, I get the impression it's the latter, the World Government keeps a stockpile of Devil Fruits and issues them to sufficiently powerful and loyal officers)
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Feb 20, 2019 10:12
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My head canon is that Kizaru talks and acts the way he does, because he has to manually slow himself down in order not to speak and act and think at the speed of light.
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Feb 20, 2019 10:21
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Would actually be interesting to have someone who has strange side-effects from their Devil Fruit power, Magellan does to an extent. (spending most of his working day on the dunny because he has to eat poison to fuel his powers apparently)
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Feb 20, 2019 11:05
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Gyges posted:Enel isn't made of lightning, he's made of electricity. Which in fiction is essentially the same speed as light as long as there conducting material around. Ok, so being made of electricity is better than being made of light because fiction changes how electricity works. Which is why the fiction changed how lasers works to catch up? Ghost Leviathan posted:Would actually be interesting to have someone who has strange side-effects from their Devil Fruit power, Magellan does to an extent. (spending most of his working day on the dunny because he has to eat poison to fuel his powers apparently) IIRC he ate poison because he likes it, not because he has to.
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Feb 20, 2019 11:11
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Enel is just a dude that coasted on his fruit and haki. All the logia pre new world are like this. But as soon as you cross into it and you get poo poo like the Amazons with haki arrows and all the weird strangeness that arises from having to survive in the new world the playing field suddenly shoots up and people who coasted on certain abilities get fuckin bodied. Much like Croc, Moria, etc. Etc. However this is assuming that OP doesnt pull a cool rear end sick move like DBS and show that these dudes havent stopped training as well. Which would work since most OP villains thus far are people whove grown fat (figuratively) and careless sitting on their rear end, terrorizing the weak. Its me The dude who cant wait for Cody to pull a ToP 17
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Feb 20, 2019 13:17
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i believe in enel
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Feb 20, 2019 13:22
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Enel is just a dude that coasted on his fruit and haki. All the logia pre new world are like this. But as soon as you cross into it and you get poo poo like the Amazons with haki arrows and all the weird strangeness that arises from having to survive in the new world the playing field suddenly shoots up and people who coasted on certain abilities get fuckin bodied. Yeah, this. Zoro’s just A Guy and hasn’t even been really hurt yet after training for the new world, the idea that Enel can hack it is pretty silly considering.
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Feb 20, 2019 14:00
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Thought that Shanks was the only Yonko who can stand toe to toe with Admirals, if that's the case Enel doesn't stand a chance against any of them.
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Feb 20, 2019 18:17
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I bet any Yonko could beat any admiral in a straight up fight
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Feb 20, 2019 20:10
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whitebeard on his deathbed was still clearly more than a match for any of the admirals in a 1v1. hell he was fighting all of them at once basically and he'd already been stabbed. I see no reason to believe the admirals could win against any emperor in a straight fight
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Feb 20, 2019 20:16
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I feel like a general tier list would be like, Yonko Admiral Yonko Commander Warlord Then I dunno, Vice admiral maybe?
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Feb 20, 2019 20:22
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It isn't certain whether having a really good Devil Fruit power is guaranteed promotion or the WG gives the most powerful Fruits to freshly promoted Admirals. (given CP9 had unidentified Devil Fruits offered to them partway through Water 7, I get the impression it's the latter, the World Government keeps a stockpile of Devil Fruits and issues them to sufficiently powerful and loyal officers) I'm pretty sure it was said that Fujitora was given his devil fruit as part of him agreeing to become an admiral, so it is definitely the latter. On the other hand, Kuzan had his DF back during Robin's flashback; was he an admiral at that point?
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Feb 20, 2019 20:24
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He and sakazuki were both vice admirals at the time.
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Feb 20, 2019 20:28
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Vice Admirals are basically wild cards. They range from nobodies to Garp.
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Feb 20, 2019 20:29
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Gyges posted:Vice Admirals are basically wild cards. They range from nobodies to Garp. I figured they were the Navy equivalent of pirate captains.
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Feb 20, 2019 20:34
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p sure garp isn't an admiral because he chose to remain a vice admiral
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Feb 20, 2019 20:34
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garp could take any yonko imo
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Feb 20, 2019 20:34
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Yeah I think I misinterpreted some translated extras: https://thelibraryofohara.com/2019/01/23/new-information-regarding-the-bounties-of-the-yonko-news-roundup/ What it says is that Shanks, despite not having a devil fruit, can still fight at the Admiral level - and that his bounty is the highest of the living Yonko. Although the wording of that does seem to imply that Yonko and Admirals are very nearly on the same level. Clearly this was published post Whitebeard so it doesn't have to factor how strong he was into it.
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Feb 20, 2019 20:50
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Narratively they have to be on the same level. Itd make no sense otherwise since they represent the heights of the current OP world, and theyre in a stalemate cold war situation where the yonko can do almost whatever they want in the new world as long as they stay out of the grand line / four Blues / places with significant WG presence. Id bet if any of the yonko got into a straightforward slugfest with an admiral itd be a tossup. But the events leading to that ever hapenning would gurantee an absolute Marinford like clusterfuck, and that is the more interesting situation. Whens OP coming out i wanna see what choppers up to
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Feb 20, 2019 21:08
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Super Rad posted:Yeah I think I misinterpreted some translated extras: Someone in the comments suggests that the bit about Shanks having the highest bounty is a misunderstanding. It would make no sense for him to have a higher one than Kaidou, who is stronger in a one-on-one fight, causes more destruction, and even seems somewhat more opposed to the status quo (remember, Shanks forced all sides to back down at the end of the Whitebeard War and warned the Elder Stars about Rocks).
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Feb 20, 2019 21:46
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Silver2195 posted:It would make no sense for him to have a higher one than Kaidou, who is stronger in a one-on-one fight consider: is he, though?
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Feb 20, 2019 21:56
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Bounty isn't just strength though. Shanks might have more ties/info on what Roger was all about. The WG could consider him a ticking timebomb. Also, dude clashed with Kaido prevented him from going to the summit war and looked in perfect health.
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Feb 20, 2019 22:07
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Narratively they have to be on the same level. Itd make no sense otherwise since they represent the heights of the current OP world, and theyre in a stalemate cold war situation where the yonko can do almost whatever they want in the new world as long as they stay out of the grand line / four Blues / places with significant WG presence. Theyre only in a stalemate because the emperor's don't work together. Whitebeard and shanks together would have hosed the marines up. Whitebeard in his prime instead of already dying would have hosed them up
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Feb 20, 2019 22:16
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Yeah Shanks was on the crew of the Pirate King putting a massive target on his back becuase I doubt he'd be like Buggy and be cowardly about it. He's also well established as well so it's not a shock they just piled bounties on him as he rose into power as a Yonko. Also regarding Kizary, he is rxtremely relaxed which is a funny joke with how his devil fruit easily makes him the fastest character in OP by default yet despite this is extremely ruthless in hunting down criminals. ChaseSP fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Feb 20, 2019 |
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Bleck posted:consider: is he, though? "People say, 'In a one-on-one fight, always bet on Kaidou.'" I guess you could argue that Shanks is hiding his power level (even from Mihawk?), but if so, his bounty wouldn't take his true power into account, so Kaidou would still have a higher one.
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Feb 20, 2019 22:25
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On one side you have the fluff on Kaidou's intro. On the other side Shanks stopped Kaidou from going to Marineford. It'll turn out it'll just be that Shanks gave up his booze stash to get kaidou to go back home.
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Feb 20, 2019 22:31
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Kild posted:It'll turn out it'll just be that Shanks gave up his booze stash to get kaidou to go back home. I like this explanation because it means Shanks's primary method of negotiation with his fellow emperors is to give them booze
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Feb 20, 2019 22:43
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Most people want to be the Pirate King. Shanks has gone one better and is already the Party King.
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Feb 20, 2019 22:50
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think about it; why did the five elders really agree to meet with shanks? 
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Feb 20, 2019 23:03
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U-DO Burger posted:think about it; why did the five elders really agree to meet with shanks? I love the Reverie arc, but also hate it because stuff like this probably isn't getting answered until years later.
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Feb 20, 2019 23:09
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Whoa what the heck these foxy pirates shot the hoooooorse NOT COOL.
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Feb 20, 2019 23:10
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Kashuno posted:Whoa what the heck these foxy pirates shot the hoooooorse NOT COOL. thanks for reminding me that luffy is going to challenge shanks to a davy back fight and force him to join his crew
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Feb 20, 2019 23:27
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scary ghost dog posted:thanks for reminding me that luffy is going to challenge shanks to a davy back fight and force him to join his crew Shanks is playing the extremely long game and when luffy loses at the davy back fight shanks will ask for one of his arms
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Feb 20, 2019 23:44
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f3_oA0uwY0
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Feb 20, 2019 23:44
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luffy will lose the davyback fight vs shanks so it will just end up him being in shanks' crew
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Feb 20, 2019 23:44
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luffy would just chose the weirdest looking member of shanks's crew
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Feb 20, 2019 23:55
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Shanks just gives Luffy some juice instead of Beckman.
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Feb 21, 2019 00:04
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:I feel like a general tier list would be like, I think the warlords have a range of strength but generally speaking that sounds right. I'd definitely put Doflamingo, Jinbei, and Mihawk at the upper tier of the Warlords, and possibly equal or even exceeding some Yonkou commanders.
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Mihawk's never been injured or hit throughout all of One Piece so far. Dude's badass. Granted he didn't really fight any major names during Marineford except Vista and Daz Bones.
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