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Helsing posted:Yeah this may be the first federal election where I don't vote NDP. Jeez man I know the libs are breaking your heart but don't vote conservative.
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Feb 21, 2019 23:10
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Pinterest Mom posted:The idea on housing has the smell of "ok but what's actually within federal jurisdiction to do", and then backporting a policy proposal from that. Bring back CMHC support for co-ops. That was easy, wasn't it? This is so very Canadian. Ostensibly leftist politicians in the US and UK are making headlines by loudly rejecting traditional neoliberal policy, so of course our ostensibly leftist party lead sees this, knows an election is coming very shortly, and decides to embrace neoliberal policy.
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Feb 21, 2019 23:12
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infernal machines posted:Bring back CMHC support for co-ops. That was easy, wasn't it?
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Feb 21, 2019 23:15
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Pinterest Mom posted:The idea on housing has the smell of "ok but what's actually within federal jurisdiction to do", and then backporting a policy proposal from that. i.e. it's a textbook example of why the federal NDP is totally useless.
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Feb 21, 2019 23:52
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The money laundering issue is right there, right... loving... there and they have nothing to say about it. Why?!
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Feb 22, 2019 00:03
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THC posted:https://twitter.com/LukewSavage/status/1098695698416103424 Sigh, my loving alma mater.
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Feb 22, 2019 00:05
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I'm starting to suspect a viral video may not have been the best metric to elect a leader
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Feb 22, 2019 02:05
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Feb 22, 2019 02:12
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DynamicSloth posted:So, stick with me here, his comments about a political scandal should be anodyne and non-controversial (and irrelevant). What you describe has nothing to do with being non-partisan. When called before a committee, a civil servant had better show up and answer questions. And in so doing, give full, truthful answers. Being non-partisan does not mean holding back facts or expert opinions. It means the opposite: offer the best facts and opinions possible, irrespective of what the political fallout is. Arabian Jesus posted:I'm starting to suspect a viral video may not have been the best metric to elect a leader He's crashing so hard he might actually reinvigorate the Bloc.
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Feb 22, 2019 02:32
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Maneck posted:He's crashing so hard he might actually reinvigorate the Bloc. Hell, I know I’m down for a B.C. separatist party if a credible one ever formed.
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Feb 22, 2019 03:38
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Scorchy posted:But instead that dumbass has lost both Alberta and BC, great job. He cheezed off both the dwarves and the elves in the west, and Mordor is rising in the east. I'm not liking our odds. 
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Feb 22, 2019 04:34
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Pinterest Mom posted:The idea on housing has the smell of "ok but what's actually within federal jurisdiction to do", and then backporting a policy proposal from that. Fed jurisdiction things that would actually be good: * Lower demand for housing by discouraging people (via tweaking capital gains tax rates) from investing in secondary homes as their primary investment strategy. * Get the CMHC to directly participate in building housing (both market and non-market) so as to add housing no matter the market conditions and compete with the for-profit providers. * Force Quebec to stop selling citizenship to millionaires that immediately move to Toronto/Vancouver and distort those housing markets. * Add any sort of reasonable limitation/cap to the principal residence capital gains exemption and use the funds from that to fund building affordable housing.
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Feb 22, 2019 04:35
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I encourage anyone living in a riding with a strong NDP candidate to help their campaign during the race. In the Outremont riding by-election Julia Sanchez is a solid candidate who is taking consistently stronger positions than Singh on basically everything. A couple of weeks ago, Ashton came to the riding with Alexandre Boulerice to talk to people about the environment. They all talked about the Green New Deal, Ashton talked about the International Progressive and Sanchez even said the words “UBI”. My point is is that there are some strong candidates who see the light and will outlast Singh. Not only that, but I’ve been seeing a few candidates get off Singhs message which shows that those people feel he’s out soon. He’s totally screwed the pooch for this election. As mentioned above, he’s campaigning the whole federal party to save his rear end in Burnaby. Kind of like Jean-Francois Lisée in the Quebecois election. If I didn’t live in a riding with a good NDP candidate, I don’t think I’d vote for them either. Is there a functional way of canning all the top brass in the NDP? I’m starting to wonder like Helsing if there is a point to a federal NDP. If we can’t Trot the party, I heard Varoufakis say he wanted to run candidates under the Progressive International banner. That seems almost better at this point.
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Feb 22, 2019 04:42
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I live in a hopelessly Conservative riding but by gum I won't vote for the bastard. 
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Feb 22, 2019 04:46
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We had a fantastic NDP MP before Trudeau got elected who had been MP for as long as I can remember, but he got replaced by some Liberal guy who dropped off the face of the earth the second the election was over as far as I know. I genuinely have no proof that he exists, or ever has existed
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Feb 22, 2019 04:50
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libby getting purged by the coward mulcair was me being done with voting still take the four hours off work, but to get high and play video games.
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Feb 22, 2019 05:10
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Lol. Remember that time the NDP selected a guy who admired Maggie Thatcher to lead the party?
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Feb 22, 2019 05:54
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I don't think I'll ever stop being mad at Mulcair for throwing away the NDP's best shot ever in an electionARACHTION posted:I encourage anyone living in a riding with a strong NDP candidate to help their campaign during the race. In the Outremont riding by-election Julia Sanchez is a solid candidate who is taking consistently stronger positions than Singh on basically everything. A couple of weeks ago, Ashton came to the riding with Alexandre Boulerice to talk to people about the environment. They all talked about the Green New Deal, Ashton talked about the International Progressive and Sanchez even said the words “UBI”. also lol I don't even disagree with these policies (except maybe UBI) but I wish the NDP would stop proving my point that its only good ideas are things it's taken from leftist movements in other countries, and the only things it comes up with itself are neoliberal bullshit
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Feb 22, 2019 06:04
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cowofwar posted:This was my impression. Federal NDP policy is being set on the back of his Burnaby riding election. It’s gross. Corrigan just got tossed out because affordable rentals are being replaced with empty luxury condos so it's super tone deaf.
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Feb 22, 2019 07:42
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vyelkin posted:I don't think I'll ever stop being mad at Mulcair for throwing away the NDP's best shot ever in an election Well they did say that the Green New Deal is American and said they would call it some other name haha. But it was valuable idea because it helps get people engaged and interested in fighting climate change even if they’re “jerbs jerbs jerbs” people. We shouldn’t be afraid of using what works, no matter its source. Capital does that internationally. The far right does it internationally. I would be seriously interested in voting for a total political plagiarist who just took all the leftist policies that work around the world and made that their campaign.
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Feb 22, 2019 14:03
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vyelkin posted:I don't think I'll ever stop being mad at Mulcair for throwing away the NDP's best shot ever in an election
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Feb 22, 2019 14:35
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But he totally knew a guy in uni who got high thought he could fly and jumped off his dorm-room balcony.
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Feb 22, 2019 14:36
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jfood posted:libby getting purged by the coward mulcair was me being done with voting Vote high, coward
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Feb 22, 2019 15:27
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Is the Green Party still anti-nuclear power and anti-WiFi? The greatest threat to our civilization is climate change (which isn't being addressed in any meaningful sense by any of the main national parties) so I could see myself voting that way. But not if they're still willfully rejecting a carbon-free form of power.
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Feb 22, 2019 16:50
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Feb 22, 2019 17:12
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To be fair to the Greens, I don't think any other party is pro-nuclear either. If you're in one of the handful of ridings where the Greens have a chance, their candidate will probably be pretty decent. Outside of that you've got a 50/50 chance of getting an organic farmer who doesn't have wi-fi or vaccinations, or a university student who wants something on their resume.
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Feb 22, 2019 17:49
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TBF, the Conservatives largely are, or at least the PCPO is. Although, I suspect it may be more "to trigger the libs" style petulance than "make power so cheap only the rich burn candles".
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Feb 22, 2019 17:52
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vyelkin posted:I don't think I'll ever stop being mad at Mulcair for throwing away the NDP's best shot ever in an election The problem is the people running the party earnestly believe in the bullshit. Most of them cut their teeth in student politics and as low level staffers / volunteers where they deeply internalized the idea that anything other than means tested tax credits is unserious. The senior level people are all cashing in on their positions to run consultancies or law firms or lobby shops. Sociologically the party is composed of the same selfish and stupid white collar professionals who also run the other parties and the major corporations. People here get really obsessed with how dumb the voters for X or Y party are but the more disturbing reality should be how depressingly similar every politician and staffer in Ottawa is.
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Feb 22, 2019 18:42
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I take back my comments about the sens being okay this year. They just traded Duchene for nothing, goddammit Melnyk and management.
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Feb 22, 2019 20:19
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Apparently Singh knows how to turn on the magic in smaller, cozier settings. Which might work if he's hitting enough doors and street corners, but he's really gotta work on his stage presence if he makes it to parliament https://thetyee.ca/News/2019/02/20/Jagmeet-Singh-Lays-Line/
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Feb 22, 2019 21:49
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Blood Boils posted:Apparently Singh knows how to turn on the magic in smaller, cozier settings. Which might work if he's hitting enough doors and street corners, but he's really gotta work on his stage presence if he makes it to parliament Yeah that's how they tried to shine the turd that was Hillary Clinton. "She's great in a small room guys, trust us." Honestly though if Singh's behaviour so far is any key to how he'd govern I'm not sure we should want him to be more charismatic. I know I'm still by volume probably the biggest NDP apologist in CanPol but what do we actually gain from having a charismatic spokesman for utterly terrible ideas?
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Feb 22, 2019 21:52
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In a conference call, SNC-Lavalin's CEO said "We've done nothing wrong as a company and none of our current employees have done anything wrong." That's a pretty bold and unprovable claim but the "current" qualifier kind of stands out a bit.
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Feb 22, 2019 22:36
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Helsing posted:Yeah that's how they tried to shine the turd that was Hillary Clinton. "She's great in a small room guys, trust us." We'd gain the good policies that the ndp has that we're not gonna get from the other parties? Even with all of Horgan's problems and failures (and he's as centrist as Singh) they're managing to do some good work and make genuine improvements to life here in BC. I mean you should definitely follow your heart and vote Communist if you prefer them. You're Premier Cherdenko after all. But when I compare the dippers to the rest of our options . . they really don't seem so terrible. Besides, since they've never* been weaker, this is the best opportunity for us loony leftists to force the middling technocrats to bring back the Regina manifesto! Or similar policy, hell I will even settle for the winnipeg declaration *they may have been in the 70s, I forget Powershift posted:Don't you remember Beyoncegate? Why would you elect such a monster? I'm not sure Niki would be faring much better than Singh with the media/funds. I do like her though
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Blood Boils posted:We'd gain the good policies that the ndp has that we're not gonna get from the other parties? Even with all of Horgan's problems and failures (and he's as centrist as Singh) they're managing to do some good work and make genuine improvements to life here in BC. I would suggest that the real problem here is thinking elections are the be all and end all of politics. The problem with the NDP can't be solved by voting for someone else. Especially since perhaps the biggest issue with the NDP at this point is that it suckers people into pursuing a fundamentally broken electoral strategy, which carries a necessary opportunity cost. I'm more concerned about identifying and building up a constituency for better politics. My concern is that perhaps the NDP is actively harmful to accomplishing that.
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Feb 22, 2019 22:49
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Let's get Wilson-Raybould as the next NDP head, she'd actually probably be pretty good
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vyelkin posted:also lol I don't even disagree with these policies (except maybe UBI) but I wish the NDP would stop proving my point that its only good ideas are things it's taken from leftist movements in other countries, and the only things it comes up with itself are neoliberal bullshit So what you're saying is we need a CanCon law targeted at our political parties and their platforms...
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Feb 22, 2019 23:19
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There just needs to be a new federal party focused on addressing fundamental issues of inequality with every policy plank benched explicitly against dealing with these issues. Each policy plank also needs to be data driven and evidence based. So what is the actual issue being addressed and how has the proposed policy worked elsewhere? Every federal party fails these core criteria because policy is determined based on stakeholder interests rather than assessment of the current state of the public.
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Feb 22, 2019 23:38
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First Step, fix StatsCan
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Helsing posted:I would suggest that the real problem here is thinking elections are the be all and end all of politics. The problem with the NDP can't be solved by voting for someone else. Especially since perhaps the biggest issue with the NDP at this point is that it suckers people into pursuing a fundamentally broken electoral strategy, which carries a necessary opportunity cost. I would think that having a party leader that espoused socialism and socialist policies would be a great recruiting tool for political movements. I think a lot of people who are not deeply into politics and can see those ideas on a national platform with momentum and join social movements that value social change. The Bernie into DS pipeline. I think a future where the NDP gets completely routed and where the greens do not pick up a green new deal as a major plank ends up with people with a predilection to activism ending up in ngos. If people perceive that the system cannot be changed then moving to harm reduction seems like a reasonable move but I think ngos do not really lead to mass movements focused on challenging the status quo.
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