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as in saddam's weight + hitler's weight = maduro's weight saddam facial hair + hitler facial hair = maduro facial hair it adds up
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 03:16 |
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Here's Carvajal's full speech denouncing Maduro as a dictator and recognizing Juan Guaido as president. Given how deeply involved in crimes Carvajal is alleged to be, it's likely that the Amnesty Law played a role in getting him to switch sides.quote:People of Venezuela: we find ourselves in the worst republican and humanitarian crisis of our modern history. That is why I address you two bearing two responsibilities: that which I have as deputy to the National Assembly, which is the last bastion of democracy alive in this country, but also as a solider and member of the Venezuelan army.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 04:11 |
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:I just find it darkly hypocritical that when I post a poll from a large, respected media source it gets pilloried due to the source having connections to chavez, but anything the opposition posts (even if it is from a "widely recognized" blogspot pollster) has to be judged on its own merits. I can't help but feel this post is largely directed at me, as I have several times made comments about polls. The poll you are talking about wasn't just "connected" to Chavez, it literally came from a representative in the Constituent National Assembly. It's affiliation was naked partisan. Anyone who has read my posts should know that I am very skeptical of all polling coming out of Venezuela. Looking at this new survey, Hercon Consultores seems to primarily owned/operated by one Marcos Hernández López. He has written a number of articles about his polling, you can read some some [url=https://www.reportero24.com/tag/marcos-hernandez-lopez/]here.[.url] He seems to engage in anti-Maduro editorializing while summarizing his surveys, and is personally anti-Chavista. I could not find whether he has deeper institutional ties to the opposition besides just sharing their values but I would be extra cautious about the validity of this poll knowing what its creator has written. The guy who operates Meganalisis by contrast sounds and speaks the way i would expect a professional pollster to sound, although that doesn't guarantee independence. Meganalisis also has a much longer record than other pollsters. Knowing these kinds of surveys are easily manipulated and even vulnerable to outright fraud doesn't mean we are free to pick the one whose results we like best. It is incumbent upon us to default to skepticism, and expect the authors to offer proof of why they can be trusted. Squalid fucked around with this message at 04:38 on Feb 22, 2019 |
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guaido really shoring up his support in the death squad adjacent community.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 05:07 |
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There wont be any death squads. Its apparent that the people defending maduro think they are doing so in good faith and as loyal socialists. But venezuela is not a good faith socialist nor is Maduro. Maduro is a dictator. He rules his population with food control. Russia is not going to intervene in Latin america and this is not the 70s ,or 80s. This is the year 2019. We have learned a lot over those years. We drive to ask the quintessential question first. How do we help without loving their country up. The US officials are asking this when they deliberate about the subject. The family jewels are already out guys. The CIA is a very different organization now.
WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 06:50 on Feb 22, 2019 |
# ? Feb 22, 2019 05:45 |
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:There wont be any death squads. Its apparent that the people defending maduro think they are doing so in good faith and as loyal socialists. But venezuela is not a good faith socialist nor is Maduro. Maduro is a dictator. He rules his population with food control. Russia is not going to intervene in Latin america and this is not the 70s ,or 80s. This is the year 2019. We have learned a lot over those years. We drive to ask the quintessential question first. How do we help without loving their country up. The US officials are asking this when they deliberate about the subject. The family jewels are already out guys. The CIA is a very different organization now. trying to extract meaning from this is a hilariously doomed exercise, but I am genuinely curious what you meant by "the family jewels are already out"
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 07:18 |
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:There wont be any death squads. Its apparent that the people defending maduro think they are doing so in good faith and as loyal socialists. But venezuela is not a good faith socialist nor is Maduro. Maduro is a dictator. He rules his population with food control. Russia is not going to intervene in Latin america and this is not the 70s ,or 80s. This is the year 2019. We have learned a lot over those years. We drive to ask the quintessential question first. How do we help without loving their country up. The US officials are asking this when they deliberate about the subject. The family jewels are already out guys. The CIA is a very different organization now. what the hell is this
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 07:20 |
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This doesn't look good... https://twitter.com/cristiancrespoj/status/1098774895855583233 https://twitter.com/StratSentinel/status/1098778810735050753 Apparently a bus carrying GNB officers started firing on civilians making their way to the aid convoy near Barinas. EDIT: https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1098781205430964224 MullardEL34 fucked around with this message at 08:02 on Feb 22, 2019 |
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Cease to Hope posted:what the hell is this LeoMarr having a normal day, apparently
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 08:15 |
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I'm uncertain of sourcing on the bus videos. The problem here is all the footage and reporting I'm seeing so far is from stridently anti-Maduro sources, which is both a) what you'd expect from the circumstances, but also b) not especially trustworthy.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 08:40 |
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uninterrupted posted:Psst: the US already got caught smuggling guns into the country like 2 weeks ago, it’s not really food aid. So did you just make up that people said they don't want US food aid or not?
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 08:42 |
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Kawasaki Nun posted:So did you just make up that people said they don't want US food aid or not? "Excuse me sir, you haven't answered our question! Now, have you stopped beating your wife?"
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 08:59 |
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https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/1098793888758857729WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:This is the year 2019. We have learned a lot over those years. We drive to ask the quintessential question first. How do we help without loving their country up. The US officials are asking this when they deliberate about the subject. The family jewels are already out guys. The CIA is a very different organization now.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 14:12 |
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https://twitter.com/AKurmanaev/status/1098931072539205632 This guy is, by the way, a very good follow for English speakers looking for news out of Venezuela. Along with the English feed of Reuters: https://twitter.com/ReutersVzla
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 14:14 |
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There may have been two shootings last night involving buses. I'm trying to work it out now. El Nacional is reporting today that at least 12 indigenous persons were injured in a shooting last night in the San Francisco de Yurunai community in Bolivar state, near the Brazilian border. The shooting occurred when "soldiers arrived on a bus" at a roadblock set up by the protesters and started shooting at them. https://twitter.com/TAMARA_SUJU/status/1098907643605905408 Tamara Suju, a prominent human rights lawyer, reported this morning that a woman died of her injuries there this morning. It could be that the videos from last night were misreported as being in Barinas state and that this is the same event, or that there were two bus-related shootings last night. EDIT: Nevermind. The San Francisco de Yuruani shooting happened this morning. So the videos from last night are of another event. Chuck Boone fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Feb 22, 2019 |
# ? Feb 22, 2019 14:16 |
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-portugal-venezuela-tankers-exclusive-idUSKCN1QA2DJ The crews of two tankers stuck in Portugal over unpaid bills are abandoning them.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 14:22 |
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The only reason that humanitarian aid for a country that is in desperate, desperate need for food and medicine is deemed "political" is because Maduro's stance on humanitarian aid is that the country does not currently need any. Maduro is about as evil and demented as they come, and people obliquely defending him with this bullshit aren't far behind.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 14:31 |
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Another caravan-related incident from last night: https://twitter.com/AsambleaVE/status/1098841511079436288 That's National Assembly deputy Mariela Magallanes explaining that the bus she was on was attacked in the early morning ours in the Araure municipality of Portuguese state. Someone threw a huge rock through the window, which injured one of the drivers. https://twitter.com/NTN24ve/status/1098899447071813632 And this video is from Cojedes state. Its shows residents clapping as an aid caravan heading for the border passes through: https://twitter.com/TVVnoticias/status/1098761728341479429 EDIT: There was also activity on the Tienditas bridge last night. Venezuelan soldiers were seen soldering something near the cargo containers that they put up to, uhhhh, not block the bridge according to some: https://twitter.com/FedericoBlackB/status/1098936801648103424 Chuck Boone fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Feb 22, 2019 |
# ? Feb 22, 2019 14:31 |
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Chuck Boone posted:Another caravan-related incident from last night: Hey that thing all the aid organizations said would happen happened. I hope Guaido is held responsible for his actions here. This was all completely avoidable.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 15:11 |
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The death toll from the violence at San Francisco de Yurunai now sits at two, with 22 people injured. I just saw on Twitter that some of the injured are being transported to Brazil for medical treatment. I also just saw that Tarek El Aissami is meeting with the Russian Minister of Defense in Moscow today. EDIT: I also just saw this come on up Reuters: "Malnourished Venezuelans hope urgently needed aid arrives soon" Chuck Boone fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Feb 22, 2019 |
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uninterrupted posted:Hey that thing all the aid organizations said would happen happened. Second victory lap this morning on a military dictatorship shooting people. Big day for you guys! And what were these criminals doing? Oh, they were peacefully trying to get aid delivered in a country where many people are starving and dying due to a lack of medicine. Got it.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 15:28 |
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Private Witt posted:Second victory lap this morning on a military dictatorship shooting people. Big day for you guys! For real, how much of a sucker do you have to be to still believe it’s aid post-CIA gun smuggling? Why didnt the US through all of those aid orgs that said this would be a bad idea? Because they don’t want to help, they just want Venezuelans to die until they accept their US appointed puppet. Which lines up with the typical expat wishlist, so that’s not surprising.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 15:37 |
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https://mronline.org/2019/02/19/financial-blockade-chronology-of-a-strategy-to-destroy-venezuela/ This article lists quite a few cases of the US seizing funds meant for importing food and medicine from Venezuelan government's foreign bank accounts. Which is interesting, considering what's happening currently.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 15:44 |
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Private Witt posted:The only reason that humanitarian aid for a country that is in desperate, desperate need for food and medicine is deemed "political" Private Witt posted:Maduro is about as evil and demented as they come, and people obliquely defending him with this bullshit aren't far behind. You must be incredibly ignorant of the history of US foreign policy in Latin America, or of what the current US administration stands for and their interests in Venezuela, and utterly indoctrinated by US state propaganda, to genuinely believe that this is about humanitarian aid. Either that or you know very well what's going on and are just cynically hoping to trick people who are that ignorant into supporting the intervention, which is way worse.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 15:47 |
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Who operates Misión Verdad? Their social media accounts are propagandistic. edit: yeah this article is just reciting the Maduro line. National Assembly is fraudulent, all sanctions are sanctions on the people, some sort of conspiracy theory about DolarToday, minimal and selective citations. I can't check the root article, because (of course) it's down. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Feb 22, 2019 |
# ? Feb 22, 2019 15:53 |
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“No, you see, it is baby sledgehammer who is right, and the Red Cross who is wrong” It’d be funny if it didn’t reveal the pro-coup sides tunnel-visioned lust for death. gently caress the people still in the country, pardon all the assassins and torturers we constantly talk about, as long as there’s a boot stomping the guy who took over my family golf course.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 15:55 |
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Discendo Vox posted:Who operates Misión Verdad? Their social media accounts are propagandistic. how does it matter? venezuelan foreign bank accounts still got seized, which does prevent the importation of goods regardless of the political allegiance of the writer
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 16:03 |
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Who's lusting for death except you who are victim blaming people who got shot by police. Those people trying to let aid trucks pass through? They were no angels...
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 16:05 |
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Kurnugia posted:how does it matter? venezuelan foreign bank accounts still got seized, which does prevent the importation of goods regardless of the political allegiance of the writer Venezuelan bank accounts being used to launder the country's money into private foreign accounts were seized. Literally every reference to account seizure in the article is referring to sanctions on individual PDVSA leaders. When you use messages written in bad faith to shape your worldview, you lose track of or discount all the information that doesn't agree with it-because, unsurprisingly, the statements of fact you get are selective. edit: let me amend- the last reference may be referring to the general sanctions from 2017, but it doesn't help any of the rest of the article. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Feb 22, 2019 |
# ? Feb 22, 2019 16:12 |
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Venezuela is accepting aid from other sources but considering the US is currently gunning for war and attempting to starve the entire country to get the Oil it seems reasonable to not let US weapons into the country. But only the US has sovereign rights, apparently. If the US wanted to actually help they wouldn’t be trying to destroy the entire economy and wouldn’t have had an economic blockade for multiple years now.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 16:18 |
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Gozinbulx posted:Who's lusting for death except you who are victim blaming people who got shot by police. Those people trying to let aid trucks pass through? They were no angels... Again, not aid, guns. Pretty reasonable to stop trucks full of American guns going into the country. Honestly, does anyone know if these opposition folks even opened the trucks and looked inside before parading them into the country?
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 16:19 |
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Bob le Moche posted:https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/1098793888758857729 Hmm it seems these people need the aid so bad they are willing to fight and die for it. Maybe that lovely prez should let as much aid as possible in to his starving people
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 16:21 |
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It's pretty stupid to think if the US wanted to smuggle guns, they'd do it using a highly-publicized humanitarian aid convoy, considering how easy it is to get guns within the country or smuggle them in by a dozen other routes. Again, these are arguments people keep ignoring and now you're actually blaming the innocent people who got shot instead of the people who shot them. I'm pretty sure at this point I could show you a video of Maduro shooting a golden retriever puppy in the face and you'd argue the puppy was obviously trying to smuggle guns into the country because of the color of its skin.Presenting Nipples posted:Venezuela is accepting aid from other sources but considering the US is currently gunning for war and attempting to starve the entire country to get the Oil it seems reasonable to not let US weapons into the country. Venezuela accepted a humanitarian aid shipment once last year and then denied they needed any aid at all. Now, as soon as the opposition started to organize a humanitarian aid channel, they're suddenly making a big show of bringing in more food and medicine into the country. It's understandable you're not aware of this since you're apparently misinformed about anything concerning Venezuela in general.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 16:27 |
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Again, the only evidence for the gun smuggling claim was a press release from the Maduro government about a seizure of 19 random guns on a plane, a specific category of staged event that Maduro's people are known for falsifying. As other posters have already pointed out, there's really zero reason for the US to smuggle guns into Venezuela. It's nonsensical. This does illustrate the effectiveness of Maduro's authoritarianism along two axes- the entrenchment of military allies in civil and economic power, and the breadth of utility he's gotten from holding his own people hostage from even themselves.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 16:28 |
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Kurnugia posted:how does it matter? venezuelan foreign bank accounts still got seized, which does prevent the importation of goods regardless of the political allegiance of the writer It matters that the party line in question is factually incorrect. You are basically saying "trust this article's truth, except the parts that aren't true." Obviously that's not going to convince anyone who disagrees with you.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 16:29 |
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Discendo Vox posted:Again, the only evidence for the gun smuggling claim was a press release from the Maduro government about a seizure of 19 random guns on a plane, a specific category of staged event that Maduro's people are known for falsifying. As other posters have already pointed out, there's really zero reason for the US to smuggle guns into Venezuela. It's nonsensical. Well, it’s not exactly like the CIA is going to issue a statement demanding the return of their lost guns.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 16:30 |
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Discendo Vox posted:Again, the only evidence for the gun smuggling claim was a press release from the Maduro government about a seizure of 19 random guns on a plane, a specific category of staged event that Maduro's people are known for falsifying. As other posters have already pointed out, there's really zero reason for the US to smuggle guns into Venezuela. It's nonsensical. how does the reason "we would like to be able to freely distribute guns to our proxies" strike you
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 16:31 |
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Labradoodle posted:It's pretty stupid to think if the US wanted to smuggle guns, they'd do it using a highly-publicized humanitarian aid convoy, considering how easy it is to get guns within the country or smuggle them in by a dozen other routes. Again, these are arguments people keep ignoring and now you're actually blaming the innocent people who got shot instead of the people who shot them. I'm pretty sure at this point I could show you a video of Maduro shooting a golden retriever puppy in the face and you'd argue the puppy was obviously trying to smuggle guns into the country because of the color of its skin. Dude you’ve simultaneously said there are guns everywhere in Venezuela for cheap, and also that there is no armed opposition to Maduro despite supposedly widespread discontent with his administration; your arguments don’t make sense and that’s why no one responds.
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# ? Feb 22, 2019 16:32 |
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Discendo Vox posted:Venezuelan bank accounts being used to launder the country's money into private foreign accounts were seized. Literally every reference to account seizure in the article is referring to sanctions on individual PDVSA leaders. When you use messages written in bad faith to shape your worldview, you lose track of or discount all the information that doesn't agree with it-because, unsurprisingly, the statements of fact you get are selective. far more has been siezed than that https://www.businessinsider.com/venezuela-gold-reserves-frozen-by-bank-of-englandf-2019-2 The Bank of England has refused to give back $1.56 billion in Venezuelan gold after countries around the world say the regime is illegitimate
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Discendo Vox posted:Again, the only evidence for the gun smuggling claim was a press release from the Maduro government about a seizure of 19 random guns on a plane, a specific category of staged event that Maduro's people are known for falsifying. As other posters have already pointed out, there's really zero reason for the US to smuggle guns into Venezuela. It's nonsensical. Independent sources showed it was a CIA linked company making regular flights from the US, and it’s standard protocol during an American overthrow of a democratically elected South American government. The evidence fits.
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