rabidsquid posted:

"i don't like the new mulligan rule because it seems like it would be easier to cheat!" followed up almost immediately by somebody cheating

Sickening posted:

Technically both of them are cheaters.

Hellsau posted:

marcio is like a bertoncini that's also good at the game, he's gonna cheat constantly no matter what

Tom Clancy is Dead posted:

Joe Soh's mardu vampires is spicy as heck. I wonder what his constructed vs. draft record is.

rabidsquid posted:

people already cheat, a slightly different mulligan doesn't make deck stacking any more or less likely. although i think it would be pretty great if somebody could break down how the new mulligan rule would empower cheaters.

CharlieFoxtrot posted:

I so want Mardu to be a thing and am disappointed how low it is on the MTG Goldfish Meta list

BizarroAzrael posted:

Do you have a list? Part-replying to make this easier to find tomorrow, guess it's on the stream?

ShadeofBlue posted:

I don’t know about cheating, but I’m positive that at some point at fnm I am going to forget how many times I’ve mulliganed so far. Hopefully my opponent pays attention.

C-Euro posted:

Big fan of those Stronghold Shocks.

BizarroAzrael posted:

Do you have a list? Part-replying to make this easier to find tomorrow, guess it's on the stream?

GoutPatrol posted:

https://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/2019MC1/standings-by-format

7-3.

quote:

Even though watching standard is a lot more fun, it really is being good at limited that puts you in top 8 contention. No one who went 10-0 or 9-1 made top 8.

Tainen posted:

Of course it’s Reid Duke that happened to be traveling with a playset of stronghold shocks to loan when LSV asked after day 1.

https://twitter.com/lsv/status/1099109897537536000?s=21
https://twitter.com/lsv/status/1099462048646352896?s=21

Elyv posted:

Mardu has been a tier 2 deck like twice across the entire history of magic and basically unplayable otherwise, it's basically the worst color combination in the game(although it's gotten better in the last 5 years or so)

AlternateNu posted:

You're talking Standard/Type 2 only, right? Because last year, Mardu Pyromancer/Bedlem Reveler was rampaging all over Modern.

AlternateNu posted:

You're talking Standard/Type 2 only, right? Because last year, Mardu Pyromancer/Bedlem Reveler was rampaging all over Modern.

mcmagic posted:

That deck was bad.

AnEdgelord posted:

Also the original Aristocrats was both mardu colors and definitely tier 1.

I dipped out during Khans so I don't have much first hand knowledge but I do remember people talking about mardu midrange with Rabblemasters that was competitive for at least some of it.

Other than that and Mardu Pyromancer I can't really remember anything.

Edit:


How can one man be this wrong?

mcmagic posted:

I'm not wrong.

mcmagic posted:

I'm not wrong. It was a meta game deck for when Humans was like 20% of the field. It's bad. It's basically a much worse version of GDS without the fast clock.

AnEdgelord posted:

I don't even know where to begin here. First of all if you are going to disqualify a deck from being "good" because it was only played when it was well positioned in the metagame then you might as well disqualify half the decks in magic history. Almost every deck ever is played because of how it is positioned in the metagame and the only decks that aren't are extremely uninteractive linear decks or one of the monstrous metagame destroyers from previous (very bad) standards.

Mardu Pyromancer can be a bad deck now while still being a good deck when it was played, this isn't hard.

Hellsau posted:

mcmagic posted:

You can argue over what "good" means but it's only favored in VERY specific matchups and it's clock is too slow. There is a reason it's literally vanished from the metagame.

Marketing New Brain posted:

Just realized it's you playing CalebD on stream right now

Pontius Pilate posted:

mcmagic is right mardu pyromancer is/was trash

I think a lot of it was midrange being displaced and then an excellent player spikes an event with it and a whole bunch of displaced fair modern Planeswalkers picked it up, myself included. I was mainly playing GDS before, but young peezy and casting faithless looting for fair value gets me randy, so I switched over and the entire time I just wished I was playing GDS. And most of (dozens!) have realized that.

AnEdgelord posted:

But if you had played GDS you would have just gotten repeatedly owned by literally every Humans player

In fact we could very easily be having this same discussion about GDS instead of Mardu Pyromancer if we were having it about a year ago.

Sampatrick posted:

Mardu Pyromancer was a pretty bad deck that had results because tons of people played it; we actually have the data from it's GP performances even when it was being played all over the place, and it had a pretty terrible winrate compared to all the other decks.

Sampatrick posted:

The thing is that GDS was bad in that meta, but Mardu was just bad in general. It had one good matchup and only had results because everybody and their brother and their sister played the deck.

Marketing New Brain posted:

Just realized it's you playing CalebD on stream right now

Tom Clancy is Dead posted:

Do you have links to any of this from when it was top 8ing?


It dominated the MTGO Modern trophy leaderboard for a long time before people even started picking it up.

C-Euro posted:

Big fan of those Stronghold Shocks.

rabidsquid posted:

its obvious to me at this point, fellas, mardu NOT play that archetype

Sampatrick posted:

This is from when Mardu was doing well. You would obviously prefer to have more stats but that's what we've got. Here are the end of year stats for the format.