|
If I caught one of my children """worldbuilding""" Holy poo poo you better believe the pain would be coming.
|
#
?
Feb 23, 2019 20:49
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 3, 2024 15:23 |
|
|
pseudanonymous posted:Then why do they win? Why do Frodo and Sam survive on giant loving eagles. Why pull your punches? Why let them destroy the ring? they don't win. the destruction of the ring is very clearly a single, imperfect victory in the midst of a Long Defeat that stretches from the Fall (or the marring of Arda or whatever) to the Day of Judgement. he's not "pulling his punches", he's making a more nuanced point than some grimdark "everythign DOOMED" bullshit: victories over great evil are possible, even (indeed especially) by the weakest and smallest amongst us, but the world has been fundamentally flawed from its beginning and will decline inexorably until its final redemption.
|
|
#
?
Feb 23, 2019 20:55
|
|
|
as with Narnia it helps to have literally any grasp of christian thought at all
|
|
#
?
Feb 23, 2019 20:56
|
|
|
God has good worldbuilding. he did it with THEMES in mind
|
|
#
?
Feb 23, 2019 21:03
|
|
|
Shut the gently caress up.
|
|
#
?
Feb 23, 2019 21:08
|
|
|
Phobeste posted:You like that reddit poo poo, here's the purestrain https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/
|
|
#
?
Feb 23, 2019 21:08
|
|
|
pseudanonymous posted:Then why do they win? Why do Frodo and Sam survive on giant loving eagles. Why pull your punches? Why let them destroy the ring? The destruction of the ring is part of the decline. With its destruction the power of the three elven rings of Elrond / Gandalf / Galandriel also fades and magic slowly disappears from the world.
|
|
#
?
Feb 23, 2019 21:14
|
|
|
hackbunny posted:The videogame of the same title I guess I am fascinated by video game writing but its unfortunate because book people don't care about games and games people dont care about books
|
|
#
?
Feb 23, 2019 21:45
|
|
|
Mel Mudkiper posted:I am fascinated by video game writing but its unfortunate because book people don't care about games and games people dont care about books https://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=27792 I would be quite interested in what someone with actual literary knowledge has to say about this kind of thing. *length may approach that of a modern fantasy novel.
|
|
#
?
Feb 23, 2019 21:55
|
|
|
video game writing is a continual source of depression for me because i really want it to be good and it never is
|
|
#
?
Feb 23, 2019 22:01
|
|
|
chernobyl kinsman posted:video game writing is a continual source of depression for me because i really want it to be good and it never is The problem is that few writers acknowledge video games as a divergent media form and fail to adapt what they do with it. They either write it like a movie or like a book, and both are failures of the form. I argue one of the few games that wrote for an video game with acknowledgement of the video game as a medium is Deadly Premonition
|
|
#
?
Feb 23, 2019 22:06
|
|
|
I'm trying to think of a videogame with good writing but the best of it really does tap out around Rothfuss or GRRM levels. Games should go the Dark Souls route and avoid text wherever possible.
|
|
#
?
Feb 23, 2019 22:08
|
|
|
Mel Mudkiper posted:The problem is that few writers acknowledge video games as a divergent media form and fail to adapt what they do with it. The only computer games I would describe as truly tell a story in a way that makes real use of the game as a medium are Papers Please and Obra Dinn. And the Papers Please short film still ended up as the best film adaption of a game somehow.
|
|
#
?
Feb 23, 2019 22:23
|
|
|
Yeah I need to try Papers Please because Return of the Obra Dinn is pretty skilled as an narrative format
|
|
#
?
Feb 23, 2019 22:27
|
|
|
Sham bam bamina! posted:Shut the gently caress up. Not seeing any themes in this post.
|
|
#
?
Feb 23, 2019 22:43
|
|
|
porfiria posted:I'm trying to think of a videogame with good writing but the best of it really does tap out around Rothfuss or GRRM levels. It's probably cliché at this point to say New Vegas, but New Vegas.
|
|
#
?
Feb 23, 2019 22:49
|
|
|
so whose alt is nerdburger?
|
|
#
?
Feb 23, 2019 22:52
|
|
tonberrytoby posted:Have some* blogposts, where a game critic tries to hold video game plots to the standards of genre literature: no no no no no no don't post anything shamus young writes about mass effect, the dude is flat out wrong, doesn't pay attention to anything, and brings so many preconceptions to how mass effect 'should have' gone that he ends up writing fanfiction instead of doing any analysis of what's before him. lt danger broke down why young's stuff is so bad a while back, i think in the mass effect andromeda thread. young's whole take hinges on his notion that mass effect 1 was a perfect work of hard sci-fi that had deep themes (young never mentions what these themes are), meanwhile 2 and 3 were ruined by money-grabbing EA. about the only thing he gets right is that ashley williams had more going on than the racist meme that the fandom picked out. quote:
Milkfred E. Moore fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Feb 23, 2019 |
|
|
#
?
Feb 23, 2019 23:31
|
|
|
I want to believe Planescape Torment had good writing but I’m too afraid to ever go back.
|
|
#
?
Feb 23, 2019 23:44
|
|
|
Milkfred E. Moore posted:no Dude I feel like you know too much about that poo poo
|
|
#
?
Feb 23, 2019 23:48
|
|
|
pseudanonymous posted:Then why do they win? Why do Frodo and Sam survive on giant loving eagles. Why pull your punches? Why let them destroy the ring? Because the loss doesn't come from the heroes losing, it comes from the fact that, no matter what, the magic is fading from the world, the heroes just made it last a little longer. Also, Sam rejecting queerness in favor of heteronormative landed gentry life
|
|
#
?
Feb 23, 2019 23:51
|
|
|
porfiria posted:I want to believe Planescape Torment had good writing but I’m too afraid to ever go back. Narrator voice: it didn't
|
|
#
?
Feb 23, 2019 23:52
|
|
Ras Het posted:Dude I feel like you know too much about that poo poo like half of my probations have been in the mass effect 3 thread so, yes please help me
|
|
|
#
?
Feb 23, 2019 23:56
|
|
|
Milkfred E. Moore posted:like half of my probations have been in the mass effect 3 thread Don't leave the Bonfire, you're one of us now
|
|
#
?
Feb 23, 2019 23:57
|
|
|
porfiria posted:I'm trying to think of a videogame with good writing but the best of it really does tap out around Rothfuss or GRRM levels. yeah ive been playing Hyper Light Drifter and the narrative format is excellent (there are no words just pictures)
|
|
#
?
Feb 23, 2019 23:57
|
|
|
Milkfred E. Moore posted:like half of my probations have been in the mass effect 3 thread For what reason?
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2019 00:20
|
|
|
Ras Het posted:No need to be such a Filifionka shut up you hemulen
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2019 00:21
|
|
|
Mel Mudkiper posted:Yeah I need to try Papers Please because Return of the Obra Dinn is pretty skilled as an narrative format In my ignorant knuckle-dragging troglodyte opinion, Papers, Please is one of the only videogames that can be considered art. The writing isn't very good though, I'm afraid. Too many videogame-isms the writer uses as a crutch
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2019 00:22
|
|
|
porfiria posted:I want to believe Planescape Torment had good writing but I’m too afraid to ever go back. Chris Avellone’s recent stuff has been so awful even by video game standards that I’m afraid to go back to his earlier stuff out of fear of realizing that he was never good and I was just a dumb kid that thought good writing was all about how many overwrought metaphors you could cram into your work
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2019 00:40
|
|
|
Mel Mudkiper posted:Yeah I need to try Papers Please because Return of the Obra Dinn is pretty skilled as an narrative format Obra dinn is a spectacularly well constructed lovely mystery
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2019 03:04
|
|
|
Its like he thought the general conceit of the thing would be too much for gamers so he had to make parts of it terrible and have a dull story and honestly, it probably wouldnt be nearly as highly praised if it was all as interesting as the structure because game people are babies
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2019 03:09
|
|
|
Why is that, though? Why isn't there a demand (and supply) for games with better writing? There are a couple (Obrah Dinn, What Remains of Edith Finch), but they're the vanishing minority. Is it because of how much sales are based around adverts and reviews? I can see how that would push graphics over content, compared to books' more word-of-mouth (if that's still true) promotion.
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2019 03:41
|
|
|
lofi posted:Why is that, though? Why isn't there a demand (and supply) for games with better writing? There are a couple (Obrah Dinn, What Remains of Edith Finch), but they're the vanishing minority. there's not even much of a demand for books with good writing, where would one come from in videogames?
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2019 03:44
|
|
|
Mel Mudkiper posted:Speaking of terrible sci-fi and fantasy what the Ayn Rand book? I liked it because it was short as gently caress and you got the entirety of her stupid philosophy of selfishness without another 750 page long exposition But if you are talking about something else then vOv
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2019 03:44
|
|
|
pseudanonymous posted:The Ayn Rand book? Does it have a map? Also, Ayn Rand is just a terrible loving writer, it goes without saying any book she wrote is terrible. I read the Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged when I was younger wanting to see what all the fuss was about and man she's just an awful awful writer, aside from whether her ideas have any merit (they don't). lol fuckin beat nm
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2019 03:44
|
|
|
ayn rand was such a loving weird figure, historically speaking
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2019 04:02
|
|
|
History is full of things that you couldn’t put into a novel because they’d come across as too cheesy and improbable. This weirdo’s brick-sized novels were so good they became hailed as the philosophical manifestos of the country’s legislature fifty years later?!?!?
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2019 04:11
|
|
|
is Edith Finch good bc its on sale on PSN rn
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2019 05:31
|
|
|
chernobyl kinsman posted:is Edith Finch good bc its on sale on PSN rn yes
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2019 05:59
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 3, 2024 15:23 |
|
|
poisonpill posted:History is full of things that you couldn’t put into a novel because they’d come across as too cheesy and improbable. This weirdo’s brick-sized novels were so good they became hailed as the philosophical manifestos of the country’s legislature fifty years later?!?!? I think part of the appeal is they are very simple ideas. They appeal to people who aren't particularly deep thinkers, and who don't deal well with nuance and complexity. "Greed is good" is a simple idea. Also, I think the books are so bad that makes them somehow more appealing as philosophy tomes. I mean if you try to read Thus Spake Zarathustra as a novel you'd be like "this is bad worldbuilding" and "this prose isn't very good" or "it has no map" and "it was a Zoroastrian prophet in three parts". You read Atlas Shrugged and it just hits you over the head with the same ideas over and over. The whole book boils down "just let capitalists do whatever the gently caress they want" but somehow John Galt has a speech that's a novel by itself (it's twice the length of the communist manifesto apparently). You start thinking there has to be something to this if it's so long and difficult (there isn't).
|
|
#
?
Feb 24, 2019 06:16
|
|
