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I don't know what's less surprising, George Ciccariello-Maher and Boots Riley tweeting "do you stooges really believe the imperialist lie that hot things can start fires?" or Maduro fanboys nodding along with it. I would love to hear their thoughts on jet fuel and steel beams.
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Have you already forgotten the video of a molotov cocktail coming from the colombian side?
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M. Discordia posted:I don't know what's less surprising, George Ciccariello-Maher and Boots Riley tweeting "do you stooges really believe the imperialist lie that hot things can start fires?" or Maduro fanboys nodding along with it. I would love to hear their thoughts on jet fuel and steel beams. Welp. Tell the NIF to turn off the lasers and the tomahawk reactor. We've found the hottest take known to science.
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M. Discordia posted:I don't know what's less surprising, George Ciccariello-Maher and Boots Riley tweeting "do you stooges really believe the imperialist lie that hot things can start fires?" or Maduro fanboys nodding along with it. I would love to hear their thoughts on jet fuel and steel beams. MOLOTOV COCKTAILS CAN'T IGNITE TRANSPORT TRUCKS
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Who cares about the loving truck fire? It says a lot more that desperate people were willing to run into the burning truck to try and retrieve supplies because they are in fact in a humanitarian crisis, something Maduro keeps saying doesn't exist. I'm much more concerned by the fact the army has started to shoot more protesters than who started this fire.
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Less than 24 hours ago the truck fire was being touted as a reason to "keep all options on the table" by Guaido and various US ghouls, and anyone doubting the narrative was just buying into Maduro's state propaganda. Now it's no biggie, who cares, who among us hasn't accidentally torched an aid truck? Funny how fast things change.
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bloom posted:Less than 24 hours ago the truck fire was being touted as a reason to "keep all options on the table" by Guaido and various US ghouls, and anyone doubting the narrative was just buying into Maduro's state propaganda. Now it's no biggie, who cares, who among us hasn't accidentally torched an aid truck? Six weeks into the war, "Listen guys who cares there were no WMDs and we had to seige a few cities, and let the chattel slave trade back in, Maduro was a bad guy and our sanctions weren't feeding people fast enough, so we had to burn the village to save it" D.Ork Bimboolean fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Feb 25, 2019 |
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zapplez posted:Who cares about the loving truck fire? It says a lot more that desperate people were willing to run into the burning truck to try and retrieve supplies because they are in fact in a humanitarian crisis, something Maduro keeps saying doesn't exist. instead sending aid trucks to be set on fire for the cameras, the US should've given aid to the red cross to distribute and help the people of venezuela too bad the US was far more interested in a prop
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bloom posted:Less than 24 hours ago the truck fire was being touted as a reason to "keep all options on the table" by Guaido and various US ghouls, and anyone doubting the narrative was just buying into Maduro's state propaganda. Now it's no biggie, who cares, who among us hasn't accidentally torched an aid truck? i think everybody should have waited to learn more about the fire(s) before popping off the same problem as a shitload of other breaking news we're probably not going to find out whether it was intentional, but my initial view was "it was maybe a tear gas canister, and the cops probably should have been more careful" and now it's "at least one of the fires was probably a molotov cocktail, and mobs throwing things at cops should probably try not to accidentally ignite the stuff they're protecting" neither of which is all that big a deal in the greater scheme of things (although it sucks if you're one of the venezuelans who was praying for some of the stuff in the trucks) D.Ork Bimboolean posted:Six weeks into the war, "Listen guys who cares there were no WMDs and we had to seige a few cities, and let the chattel slave trade back in, Maduro was a bad guy and our sanctions weren't feeding people fast enough, so we had to burn the village to save it" you may be surprised to hear this, but you're being kind of a poo poo here
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zapplez posted:Who cares about the loving truck fire? It says a lot more that desperate people were willing to run into the burning truck to try and retrieve supplies because they are in fact in a humanitarian crisis, something Maduro keeps saying doesn't exist. Yeah, I'm sure no one important cares about the truck fire. Certainly no important government officials or celebrities making it the centerpiece of their propaganda campaign or anything. https://mobile.twitter.com/secpompeo/status/1099472381838585856 https://mobile.twitter.com/AmbJohnBolton/status/1099407653439266818 https://mobile.twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1099476082821091328 https://mobile.twitter.com/chefjoseandres/status/1099399488140177409 https://mobile.twitter.com/USAIDMarkGreen/status/1099433498274942976 Besides, we should care about "the loving truck fire". Why? Because it's something that the US government and media reported as fact, but no corrections or counternarratives were broadcasted when evidence showed up indicating the official story may be false. That casts doubt on other things being reported as fact - and should bring up unpleasant memories of the run-up to Iraq. If that was false, but seized upon anyway by propagandists and repeated by respectable channels that should really know better, than how do we know that's the only thing that's not true?
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D.Ork Bimboolean posted:Six weeks into the war, "Listen guys who cares there were no WMDs and we had to seige a few cities, and let the chattel slave trade back in, Maduro was a bad guy and our sanctions weren't feeding people fast enough, so we had to burn the village to save it" Look, you need to stop posting with one hand and fapping to snuff films with the other.
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Pharohman777 posted:Look, you need to stop posting with one hand and fapping to snuff films with the other. If you’re uncomfortable with the completely predictable results of a US overthrow of a foreign democratic government maybe you should stop supporting it.
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Lol ‘support’ as if posting on a dead Internet forum means anything. We may as well be taking about an aliens millsions of light years away and these events already happened thousands of years ago.
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Is there any evidence that the opposition burned their own truck for propaganda other than a grainy video shared by a guy who thinks the Syrian opposition gassed their own kids for propaganda?
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Fallen Hamprince posted:Is there any evidence that the opposition burned their own truck for propaganda other than a grainy video shared by a guy who thinks the Syrian opposition gassed their own kids for propaganda? why'd they claim maduro burned the supplies if their guys burnt the supplies?
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I don't think it's likely the trucks were deliberately set on fire - it very much looks like an accident arising from the chaos of the situation. On the other hand it is extremely obvious that the US administration were hoping that the aid convoy would lead to some kind of pretext to go to war, and they've found it.
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Gas grenades have a fine history of burning things down. Its pretty reasonable to assume they have started another incident.
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RaffyTaffy posted:Gas grenades have a fine history of burning things down. Its pretty reasonable to assume they have started another incident. except that we know that the molotov throwers next to the aid trucks set the fire if you mean the US assumed that maduro set the aid on fire, why would they assume that? they should have a better handle on the aid situation than almost anyone else
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Fallen Hamprince posted:Is there any evidence that the opposition burned their own truck for propaganda other than a grainy video shared by a guy who thinks the Syrian opposition gassed their own kids for propaganda? i can't find it offhand but there's another video floating around from a closer on-the-ground angle that shows a dude throwing a molotov with a range probably shorter than he was hoping, from behind truck number two, in the direction of truck number one that's enough for me to go from "that fire was probably a gas grenade" to "that fire was probably a dumbfuck with a bad throwing arm" edit: https://twitter.com/garoukike/status/1099679209117630467 yes, the particular guy I'm retweeting is a bit of an idiot, it's not my fault, blame cspam Irony Be My Shield posted:I don't think it's likely the trucks were deliberately set on fire - it very much looks like an accident arising from the chaos of the situation. On the other hand it is extremely obvious that the US administration were hoping that the aid convoy would lead to some kind of pretext to go to war, and they've found it. and tbf even if some of the fires were from gas grenades i doubt that was entirely intentional either i concur with your assessment of the trump admin hopes, and with the people saying the coverage of this insofar as I've seen it is bad Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Feb 25, 2019 |
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Have not seen the video of molotov throwers yet. Did not see any yesterday but a lot was going on. Some random videos things I found. https://twitter.com/rczg11/status/1099810261408641024 Man refuses to give up truck? https://twitter.com/LegionarioLA/status/1099824371793870848 Brazil paramilitary police force at the border. https://twitter.com/tobias_177/status/1099829068961325062 Pemons make claims capturing armed/uniformed prisoners . Would be slightly amusing if these guys agreed to a deal for freedom then as soon as they could surrendered to get away from that deal. edit: Ya that looks like the guy in black hosed up his throw.  more: https://twitter.com/Cosmodelafuente/status/1099800033384415233 Former police/military is escorted to a truck while taking a beating. Young man is seen holding a rifle maybe taken from that guy. Maybe someone can read is back and find where the vest is from. https://twitter.com/CacaitoPuro/status/1099796595518963713 Bunch of clips of Pemon with posing with bows well seems they are using them. RaffyTaffy fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Feb 25, 2019 |
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https://twitter.com/telesurenglish/status/1099809703159386118 rejoice guaido supporters! maduro will be deposed in an invasion and guaido will be the puppet in charge of venezuela
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Condiv posted:https://twitter.com/telesurenglish/status/1099809703159386118 Yeah I'm gonna wait for a real source to put out something like this, thanks.
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Condiv posted:https://twitter.com/telesurenglish/status/1099809703159386118 Was not expecting the official announcement of the Pending Fascist Invasion to come from Delcy Rodriguez, maybe Maduro should start looking for a new Vice President.
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Looks like the idea is just to play up immediate invasion threat, the rest of the channel (which Rodriguez controls, apparently?) is still churning out propaganda after that one. What is that event she's speaking at, though? Google's not helping me this time, there are too many international people's assemblies.
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https://twitter.com/TulioCorneira10/status/1099803972586614785 Another view of força nacional taking over the Brazilian side of the border. Seems main thing they wanted to do is get the crowd of protesters away from the Venezuelan border guards. Crowd control in effort to avoid a major incident from breaking out. Bunch of people seem to think Brazil is deploying thousands of them to the border to gently caress with Venezuela though.
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Discendo Vox posted:Looks like the idea is just to play up immediate invasion threat, the rest of the channel (which Rodriguez controls, apparently?) is still churning out propaganda after that one. What is that event she's speaking at, though? Google's not helping me this time, there are too many international people's assemblies. International Peoples' Assembly in Solidarity with the Bolivarian Revolution. It's being held in Caracas from the 24th-27th. See here: https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Peoples-Assembly-in-Caracas-to-Begin-Sunday-20190224-0003.html Her speech is here: https://peoplesdispatch.org/2019/02/25/video-we-commit-to-the-defence-of-the-bolivarian-revolution-international-peoples-assembly/
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 Can someone explain to me how this can last a family of 3 or 4 an entire month? Shown is CLAP monthly box of food.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:
What kind of calorie counts are we looking at here? Like it obviously isn’t enough I’m just curious.
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Is that actually touted as enough to satisfy the caloric needs of a family for an entire month, or is it meant to be supplementary?
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I don't think they are supposed to provide all of the food people need. However it's worth considering that what actually reaches people is often much less that what is shown in that box. Large proportions of the CLAP package are regularly removed for resale during the distribution process, making their actual contents extremely unreliable for consumers. Additionally there have been scandals where contractors supplied spoiled or substandard food for the CLAP.
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Good Point Let's show the truth Is what is given to an average citizen of Venezuela for a month food supplement what they cant buy. And you cant buy anything 
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Lightning Knight posted:What kind of calorie counts are we looking at here? Like it obviously isn’t enough I’m just curious. 1 l of oil - 8000 Cal 8kg of corn flour - 28880 Cal 600 grams of tuna - 780 Cal 1kg of sugar - 3870 Cal 2 kg of rice - 2600 Cal 1kg of powdered milk - 3600 Cal 2 kg of black beans - 3825 Cal 2 kg of spaghetti - 7400 Cal 1 kg of bow tie pasta? - 3700 Cal 400g bag of mayo? (might be mustard) - 2700 Cal 400g bag of ketchup - 400 Cal Total of ~65755 calories :edit: Those look to be 2 kg bags of corn flour, not 1 kg ones. Corrected the numbers. karthun fucked around with this message at 10:35 on Feb 25, 2019 |
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karthun posted:1 l of oil - 8000 Cal So divided by 30 days x 4 individuals (hypothetical), is 548 calories. This isn’t a survivalable number but would work as a supplement from other sources.
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Ardennes posted:So divided by 30 days x 4 individuals (hypothetical), is 548 calories. This isn’t a survivalable number but would work as a supplement from other sources. That is approaching comparable to a SNAP benefit, assuming an average $600 a person in grocery a month and an average SNAP benefit of $126 over that same period. Though, those CLAP items are probably a lot closer to the more efficient calorie/price scale than what we tend to buy on EBT. If an aid group wanted to put calories into the country's diet, and the CLAP system is still functional by the time they got there, they could pad them and use the existing infrastructure already distributing food nationally.
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