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Arrgytehpirate posted:I have to wonder what the correct response to Russia is for or next president. Extreme sanctions, get his balls in a vice and don’t stop until Russia collapses.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Phil_Mattingly/status/1100089565338050560 We’re going to start another war, yaaaaay
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Feb 25, 2019 18:49
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Your Taint posted:Or that viral video where the guy is talking to the news on location from his home office and his kids wander in. "Tonight, on 'Congressional Capers', watch as 10 different Tea Party Congressmen accidentally vote for the Green New Deal because they went AFK and their cats walked across their keyboards!"
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Feb 25, 2019 18:49
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Your Taint posted:Yeah, you think that's the only reason that someone would want to kill a member of Congress? Is AOC a war monger? Her name was on the hitlist of a domestic terrorist. You might have noticed that political assassinations in the US are exceedingly rare and aren't generally perpetrated by the brightest minds. Public housing for public officials likely wouldn't change this in any meaningful way because you'd still have poo poo like that Coastie who probably got themselves on a watchlist years ago googling "where do the democrats live?" and "how to get to congressional housing"
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Feb 25, 2019 18:50
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The people going "Trump is right not to rise to Putin's bait," should really consider the fact that Putin is baiting because he knows nothing will be done about it, if not that he'll shortly be getting praise regardless of it. He was never this brazen with Obama. Russia may be a complete paper tiger, but the fact that Putin can pretend otherwise in the fashion he is DOES have geopolitical consequences. Voters who fear Russia in Europe and the US could be more willing to empower their patsies and apologists instead of people who might be willing to actually check their aggression, as one easy example.
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Feb 25, 2019 18:51
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Arrgytehpirate posted:I have to wonder what the correct response to Russia is for or next president. Holy poo poo, no, these are terrible ideas.  Waging war on Russia over Crimea would result in a huge loss of life for Ukrainians. Cold War-level military presence will further ensure that we have another massive slew of arms races (we're already on that road with the US pulling out of the INF Treaty). Sanctions are a good idea, sure, but only on the ruling class. Making the poor of Russia suffer is only going to get them to cling to their government all the more tightly. The world doesn't need to hand Putin a "public defeat." Russia is withering away economically, militarily, and societally. Putin wins when the U.S. does big, stupid, self-defeating things that allow him to say, "Hey, look at me! I'm the bulwark against Western aggression!"Sanguinia posted:The people going "Trump is right not to rise to Putin's bait," should really consider the fact that Putin is baiting because he knows nothing will be done about it, if not that he'll shortly be getting praise regardless of it. Putin wants to start a new arms race with the U.S. because he directly benefits from it, both politically and financially. Majorian fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Feb 25, 2019 |
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Feb 25, 2019 18:52
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If we go to war with Venezuela I will 100 percent take off work and go protest in D.C. I was part of an illegitimate war and the thought of another generation doing the same is... not a good one.
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Feb 25, 2019 18:53
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Arrgytehpirate posted:I have to wonder what the correct response to Russia is for or next president. Find all the assets oligarchs have parked in the US and seize them, then erect a financial firewall to stop it happening again. You can do business with Russia *or* the US, pick one.
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Feb 25, 2019 18:54
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Cheering for an unstable country with massive stockpiles of nuclear weapons to collapse in the USPOL thread, like a normal human being. Jesus Christ some of you let the mask slip at the slightest provocation.
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Feb 25, 2019 18:56
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DaveWoo posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/Phil_Mattingly/status/1100089565338050560 I really hate that we're making the stopped clock morons correct here.
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Feb 25, 2019 18:57
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Arrgytehpirate posted:I have to wonder what the correct response to Russia is for or next president.
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Feb 25, 2019 18:59
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Groovelord Neato posted:our grandchildren will not forgive us. And just this morning I skimmed through another article praising Boomer Trash Pol Feinstein for telling some children to get hosed because addressing climate change isn’t “politically viable”
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Feb 25, 2019 19:01
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DrNutt posted:Cheering for an unstable country with massive stockpiles of nuclear weapons to collapse in the USPOL thread, like a normal human being. I just want to be sure, are you talking about the US or Russia here?
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Feb 25, 2019 19:01
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Feb 25, 2019 19:03
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TheKingofSprings posted:Extreme sanctions, get his balls in a vice and don’t stop until Russia collapses. I can think of no possible downsides of employing economic warfare to cause a proto-fascist society to collapse, especially one that possesses a massive nuclear arsenal. Jesus, just because Trump is a mindless sycophant doesn't mean the right way to deal with russia is psychotic brinksmanship.
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Feb 25, 2019 19:03
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Sanguinia posted:He was never this brazen with Obama. Except when he annexed Crimea. And before that South Ossetia and Abkhazia during Bush's administration. He's been pretty drat brazen for a while now.
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Feb 25, 2019 19:04
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Stickman posted:Just in case anyone was wondering, this is also just not true. US representatives are constitutionally required to be residents of their state, but they don’t have to live in their district, and the federal courts have struck down states’ attempts to add that condition. it's a great attack ad tho
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Feb 25, 2019 19:05
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Mozi posted:I really hate that we're making the stopped clock morons correct here. i hope you're not referring to the anti-war movement in this country as "stopped clock morons"
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Feb 25, 2019 19:05
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DaveWoo posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/Phil_Mattingly/status/1100089565338050560 Aren't they supposed to start drumming up a reason we actually need to go to war? Like some way that they might be a threat to us? Obviously whatever happens Trump will just say "I didn't need to do this, we're just there to take the oil". But Cheney must be kicking himself.
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Feb 25, 2019 19:06
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Chilichimp posted:it's a great attack ad tho yeah it was something that AOC used to bounce Crowley
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Feb 25, 2019 19:06
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You know what, I'll take it a step further. Less hostile relations with Russia and North Korea is one of the few good things that Trump has done, even if he only did it because his brain is literally fluid.
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Feb 25, 2019 19:06
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russia has a smaller economy than california. it's a minor power at best and only gets any respect due to one thing. wonder why north korea is trying to get that thing.
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Feb 25, 2019 19:07
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A big flaming stink posted:You know what, I'll take it a step further. Less hostile relations with Russia and North Korea is one of the few good things that Trump has done, even if he only did it because his brain is literally fluid. Pretty sure most of Eastern Europe isn’t too happy with Trump bending over backwards to please Russia because they like existing. But you do you.
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Feb 25, 2019 19:08
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A big flaming stink posted:You know what, I'll take it a step further. Less hostile relations with Russia and North Korea is one of the few good things that Trump has done, even if he only did it because his brain is literally fluid. Yes it's much better to have the most powerful man in the world literally working on behalf of Russia.
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Feb 25, 2019 19:08
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TheKingofSprings posted:Extreme sanctions, get his balls in a vice and don’t stop until Russia collapses. Mr. Putin, I've come here today to make you an offer. [balls up fist, sticks thumb out] I've got your nose and if you don't return Crimea you'll never get it back.
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Feb 25, 2019 19:09
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Pretty sure most of Eastern Europe isn’t too happy with Trump bending over backwards to please Russia because they like existing. But you do you. Most of Eastern Europe is not pleased about Trump for a lot of reasons. A whole lot of Eastern European people will also literally stop existing in the event of a warm war, even if it scratches your need to "do something". But you do you.
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Feb 25, 2019 19:10
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A big flaming stink posted:I can think of no possible downsides of employing economic warfare to cause a proto-fascist society to collapse, especially one that possesses a massive nuclear arsenal. Yeah, punish the oligarchs. Make it so they can't leave Russia without losing their freedom or money. Do as much as possible to aid the people of Russia via legitimate means. How would people feel about a visa program for LBTQ people that want to get out of Russia, or just for people in general? I also think there needs to be a UN body that can implement sanctions on countries that are abusing the internet. Not sure how it would work, but something needs to be done to at least slow down the Cyber attack capabilities of countries.
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A big flaming stink posted:I can think of no possible downsides of employing economic warfare to cause a proto-fascist society to collapse, especially one that possesses a massive nuclear arsenal. I don’t hear you suggesting anything. How should we deal with them then? cochise posted:Except when he annexed Crimea. And before that South Ossetia and Abkhazia during Bush's administration. Yeah. His aggression started with Obama who I think was war-shy after the Iraq debacle. We should have gone to war over Crimea. Putin has just gotten ballsier over time because no one has stepped up to slap him down. It certainly isn’t going to come for Europe, a region renown for its military might post-WW2.
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Feb 25, 2019 19:10
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ScentOfAnOtaku posted:I just want to be sure, are you talking about the US or Russia here?  In context I was talking about Russia and this particularly gross post: TheKingofSprings posted:Extreme sanctions, get his balls in a vice and don’t stop until Russia collapses. But uh, I also don't really want to see the US collapse in my lifetime either. AmiYumi posted:Well considering that Russia is putting in this much effort to destabilize democracy in direct response to the specific oligarch-targeted sanctions the Magnitsky Act imposed, I’d say further tightening the vise on oligarch money is the way to go. I mean sure yeah, but why are we singling out nefarious Russian oligarchs when good old fashioned US oligarchs are just as wealthy and similarly bad actors who are doing everything they ensure that they have unending political dominance in the US?
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Like, I'm not going to dispute that Putin is a monster, but what the hell do you guys want to do about it? Shock therapy part 2? That's literally how we got Putin in the first place!
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Otherkinsey Scale posted:Aren't they supposed to start drumming up a reason we actually need to go to war? Like some way that they might be a threat to us? They’re getting lazy: the justification is a ‘aid’ truck fire caused by a US coup supporter tossing a Molotov cocktail into it. There’s video of it all over the place.
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Feb 25, 2019 19:11
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cochise posted:Except when he annexed Crimea. And before that South Ossetia and Abkhazia during Bush's administration. There's been more push back against Russia during Trump's administration compared with the last two. However, Trump seems unwilling to do anything that impacts Putin specifically. Like we kill a few hundred Russian mercs and bomb their ally, but we also congratulate Putin on his re-election and parrot his talking points on Russian interference with Western elections. If you separate Russia from it's leader it becomes really clear Trump is avoiding anything that impacts Vladimir directly.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/citypages/status/1100059385030684673 Ban all guns and send owners to re-education camps until we're sure they're no longer a danger to others.
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Feb 25, 2019 19:13
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It's never smart to presume that Trump will lose any amount of supporters for anything that he does, but didn't a lot of people gravitate towards his America first bullshit? Like, "let's stop paying for foreign wars and MAGA!" I know, I know, it was actually racism, but I guess I'm just curious how they will bend over backwards to defend a war with Venezuela after pretending to want to go back to being an isolationist nation.
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Groovelord Neato posted:russia has a smaller economy than california. it's a minor power at best and only gets any respect due to one thing. wonder why north korea is trying to get that thing. Russia's military is no joke even without nukes. They are also investing heavily in controlling the Arctic, as global warming is opening up vast amounts of areas with precious resources, plus the Arctic Passage which allows shipping directly from China to Europe without going through Suez. e: I'm Norwegian and grew up 4 hours drive from the Russian border. They are already routinely jamming GPS in the region, and blatantly practicing bombing run in Norwegian airspace. If they decide to invade, there's not a loving thing anyone can do to stop them. source: https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/security/2019/02/11-russian-fighter-jets-made-mock-attack-norwegian-arctic-radar 
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Otherkinsey Scale posted:Aren't they supposed to start drumming up a reason we actually need to go to war? Like some way that they might be a threat to us? because the intelligence of the GOP has degraded a loving ton since W. a bunch of them probably want a war and with maduros lovely actions would probaly be able to swing it but they don't have the military for it(we are stretched already) plus i doubt the pentagon wants to commit to more poo poo right now. A big flaming stink posted:You know what, I'll take it a step further. Less hostile relations with Russia and North Korea is one of the few good things that Trump has done, even if he only did it because his brain is literally fluid. there is a massive difference between deescaltation and doing what trump is doing. trump is bending over backwards for russia and now he is doing it for North Korea because he legit loved hard power dictators.
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Feb 25, 2019 19:14
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DrNutt posted:I mean sure yeah, but why are we singling out nefarious Russian oligarchs when good old fashioned US oligarchs are just as wealthy and similarly bad actors who are doing everything they ensure that they have unending political dominance in the US? Tbf I think the reason why Russian oligarchs are being singled out in this specific discussion is because of Putin's inflammatory comments about nuclear war today. That said, yes, Russia's and the U.S.' oligarchs have the same objectives in all of this. They want an arms race because they will make a shitton of money off of it.
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https://twitter.com/meridithmcgraw/status/1100079626603368449 its basicaly what people were guessing yesterday.
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A big flaming stink posted:You know what, I'll take it a step further. Less hostile relations with Russia and North Korea is one of the few good things that Trump has done, even if he only did it because his brain is literally fluid. It's a mask of less hostile relations. They've increased action against Europe and the US greater because of Trump. Last year US and Russian forces got into a literal shooting match with each other. That's clearly not less hostility. A big flaming stink posted:Like, I'm not going to dispute that Putin is a monster, but what the hell do you guys want to do about it? Shock therapy part 2? That's literally how we got Putin in the first place! Balls in a vice aka the Magnitsky Act. It works.
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cochise posted:It's a mask of less hostile relations. They've increased action against Europe and the US greater because of Trump. Last year US and Russian forces got into a literal shooting match with each other. That's clearly not less hostility. Plus, again, we just pulled out of the INF Treaty. That's pretty huge loving escalation.
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