shame on an IGA posted:

Slim Pickens posted:

*Starts searching zillow for land in Alaska*

CRUSTY MINGE posted:

We're not that hosed yet, but if you have kids, you might buy some land in Montana or Idaho or somewhere that will be relatively decent most of their lives.

hobbesmaster posted:

Upper midwest would be a better bet wouldn't it?

mlmp08 posted:

Looking forward to the world finally coming together to combat climate change and OH MY GOD FROM THE TOP ROPE, IT’S THE OBSOLESCENCE OF ANTIBIOTICS

Soulex posted:

I wanted to write a short story about how Earth is basically Alien Timmy's third grade science experiment and hosed it all up.

Naramyth posted:

It's already unseasonably hot im the summers and bitterly cold and snowy here.

Slim Pickens posted:

Where's the johns that were supposed to be bigger than Kraft?

hobbesmaster posted:

Average high in Duluth in the warmed months is still shy of 80s. Average max for the year is just shy of 89. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duluth,_Minnesota#Climate

Not sure you could do much better in the lower 48 than the north woods/Wisconsin/UP

LingcodKilla posted:

Y’all such Debby downers. Look on the bright side. You or your children may get a chance to heroic on the Fury Road or whatever.

CommieGIR posted:

Like they'll find the fuel to keep big block V8s on the road.

The grim future is exclusively 1980s Merc diesels.

Slim Pickens posted:

And they render down human fat into biodiesel

quote:

WASHINGTON — Fifty-eight former U.S. national security officials told the Trump administration in a letter Monday that they are aware of "no emergency that remotely justifies" diverting funds to build a border wall.

The officials, who served in both Democratic and Republican administrations, include former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, who served in the Clinton administration, and former Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, a Republican who served in the Senate and the Obama administration.

Others include Leon Panetta, former secretary of defense and director of the CIA; Gil Kerlikowske, former head of Customs and Border Protection; John Kerry, former secretary of state; and Nick Rasmussen, former director of the National Counterterrorism Center.

The letter, according to its authors, is a declaration intended to be used in lawsuits challenging President Donald Trump's Feb. 15 decision to redirect $8 billion in federal funds in order to begin construction of a barrier along the southern border. Trump had promised during his campaign to build the border wall but Congress has offered less than $2 billion in federal funds after months of negotiations.

The officials fact check Trump's basis for declaring the national emergency, pointing out that illegal border crossings are near 40-year lows, there is no documented terror threat, human and drug trafficking will not be affected by a border wall, and there is no violent crime threat posed by immigrants.

A study by the Cato Institute found that undocumented immigrants in Texas were 44 percent less likely to be incarcerated than native-born citizens, the letter said.

Not only is the national emergency not justified, it could also be damaging to the interests of the United States, the authors say.

"In the face of a nonexistent threat, redirecting funds for the construction of a wall along the southern border will undermine national security by needlessly pulling resources from Department of Defense programs that are responsible for keeping our troops and our country safe and running effectively," they said.

The national emergency and other unilateral actions to block immigrants coming from the south could also strain diplomatic ties in the Western Hemisphere at a time when the U.S. should be addressing concerns in the region, such as the political turmoil in Venezuela, the authors say.

In addition to redirecting funds for the border wall, the Trump administration has also begun to return asylum-seekers to Mexico where they must wait months or years for a decision on whether they can seek refuge in the United States. Another move, which has been blocked by federal courts, sought to block asylum rights for immigrants who cross the border between legal ports of entry.

The authors said their concerns extend to the global stage as well.

"Should a genuine foreign crisis erupt, this lack of credibility will materially weaken this administration's ability to marshal allies to support the United States, and will embolden adversaries to oppose us," they said.

Bored As gently caress posted:

More than 50 ex-national security officials tell Trump his national emergency is not justified
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/more-50-ex-national-security-officials-tell-trump-national-emergency-n975701

In a letter, the former officials said redirecting funds to build the border wall could hurt national security by pulling resources from programs that keep the U.S. safe.



Link to the letter itself: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5749671-National-Emergency-Joint-Declaration-2-21-19.html

Bored As gently caress posted:

More than 50 ex-national security officials tell Trump his national emergency is not justified
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/more-50-ex-national-security-officials-tell-trump-national-emergency-n975701

In a letter, the former officials said redirecting funds to build the border wall could hurt national security by pulling resources from programs that keep the U.S. safe.



Link to the letter itself: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5749671-National-Emergency-Joint-Declaration-2-21-19.html

hobbesmaster posted:

Might as well have posted this straight to resistancehole.

Bored As gently caress posted:

I just googled that and I have tears in my eyes from laughing so hard.

Bored As gently caress posted:

Too bad I don't have a spare $500,000 to buy property somewhere and prep the gently caress out of it. Too bad I don't have a spare $20,000 to prep where I'm at.

All the while the rich are prepping and buying property in New Zealand for their escape when our society finally collapses.

Vasudus posted:

It'll be some ancient version of the Spanish Flu that comes up from the melting permafrosts, something older than our subgenus of humans that spreads like wildfire with an obscene mortality rate among the healthy.

FAUXTON posted:

Watch it turn out that the steady drumbeat of annual flu shots have conferred substantial immunity to the 1918 strain and nobody gets to fill the "flupocalypse" spot on their card.

That Works posted:

Exactly this. The 1918 flu was a combination of factors like globalization and concentration of people under the age of 30 together. Basically people over 30 had seen some of the 1918 flu antigens before
By chance we went 30 years without any of them popping up. So when they did everyone under 30 was at a greater risk of getting severe flu. Compound that with people of that age circling the globe and living in close proximity along with increasing urban concentration of people and it was bad.

45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:

I mean if the US goes full authoritarian we'll push south to the panama canal, relocate everyone in central america to south america, and use nukes to create a radioactive desert barrier with a division guarding the panama canal and the navy patrolling the central american coast with very loose rules of engagement

FAUXTON posted:

Yeah we're considerably more mobile than we were in 1918 as a whole, but demobilization after the war made a perfect storm for the virus's spread among that highly susceptible peer group. We don't really have that particular kind of concentration anymore but instead we have modern airports.

The 1918 flu was of the H1N1 subtype, which we've seen (as a subtype) repeatedly since, and repeatedly even since flu shots became a thing. It's likely there's been some degree of resistance or immunity picked up but that doesn't mean the next flu won't be something completely new.