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quote:"Big ones may control three or four hundred square kilometers. Small ones --” He broke off as the Duke kicked on the jet brakes. The ship bucked as its tail pods whispered to silence. Stub wings elongated, cupped the air. The craft became a full 'thopter as the Duke banked it, holding the wings to a gentle beat, pointing with his left hand off to the east beyond the factory crawler. And also like a dozen other examples. They are flappy birds. With little jets for VTOL.
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Feb 26, 2019 04:23
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Ornithopter is Fremen for helicopter. Read @duneauthor otherwise don’t bother responding
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Ornithopter is Fremen for helicopter. Read @duneauthor otherwise don’t bother responding Please tell me he didn't say that, I can't even tell anymore. Help.
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Feb 26, 2019 05:15
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It's a goddamned bird. loving accept it, you freaks.
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Feb 26, 2019 05:22
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So, are carryalls giant half-a-kilometer-wide birds too?
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Feb 26, 2019 06:00
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Temaukel posted:So, are carryalls giant half-a-kilometer-wide birds too? Obviously not. They're not super maneuverable, just there for retrieval. And spaceships look however you want, because they're built in space.
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"This is a carryall," Hawat said. "It's essentially a large 'thopter, whose sole function is to deliver a factory to spice-rich sands, then to rescue the factory when a sandworm appears. They always appear. Harvesting the spice is a process of getting in and getting out with as much as possible." See also the big troop carrier 'thopter that holds ~300 men, and is kamikaze'd by a captured regular 'thopter: Another 'thopter glided in over the cliff wall above Hawat. He drew in a sharp breath as he saw it - a big troop carrier. It flew with the slow, spreadwing heaviness of a full load--like a giant bird coming to its nest. ... The troop carrier settled toward the patch of blue-clad bodies. Its wings crept out to full reach, began the cupping action of a quick stop. Hawat's attention was caught by a flash of sun on metal to the south, a 'thopter plummeting there in a power dive, wings folded flat against its sides, its jets a golden flare against the dark silvered gray of the sky. ... Straight into the carrier the diving 'thopter plunged. All birds. They got hella material science in the Duniverse. It's true that spacecraft don't have to consider aerodynamics, but carryalls aren't spacecraft. I think the only pure spacecraft mentioned in the novel are Guild heighliners.
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drat. My brain switcheroo'd me. Black for purity, white for poison. Carryalls is birds too.
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exmachina posted:I mean that with the exception of the sandrider test and the water of life scene, almost everything in the book happens inside the 'artic circle' of arrakis. phasmid posted:Obviously not. They're not super maneuverable, just there for retrieval. And spaceships look however you want, because they're built in space.
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D. Ebdrup posted:Huh, I'm not sure I ever realized that - and I've read the series more than 20 times. There's a map in the back of Dune that covers it
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exmachina posted:I mean that with the exception of the sandrider test and the water of life scene, almost everything in the book happens inside the 'artic circle' of arrakis. Do the books mention the really long days and nights that come from living at one of the poles? Or is that a thing that only happens on a tilted planet like earth? Astronomy is hard.
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D. Ebdrup posted:I'm Emperor Shaddam Corrino IVs completely un-aerodynamic pyramid of a spaceship that lands on Dune in that dumb loving movie. Emperor: I want a flying golden pyramid Engineer 1: That would be difficult sire.Not extremely aerodynamic but an egg-like ship would be more than suitab.. Emps: FLAIL THIS MAN ALIVE IN FRONT OF HIS CHILDREN Engineer 2:  Emps: Am I going to get my flying pyramid or do I have to find another engineer ? hump day bitches! fucked around with this message at 11:14 on Feb 26, 2019 |
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Feb 26, 2019 11:08
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Pyramids are pretty strong designs, aren't they? There's a reason they're the most common shape of the biggest buildings that ancient peoples built.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Pyramids are pretty strong designs, aren't they? There's a reason they're the most common shape of the biggest buildings that ancient peoples built. They're strong as structures that sit on the ground. Lots of support from the big wide base on the ground.
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Tree Bucket posted:Do the books mention the really long days and nights that come from living at one of the poles? Or is that a thing that only happens on a tilted planet like earth? At the earth equivalent of latitude, the day/night cycle in Arrakeen would be similar to Oslo, Norway. Polar night would be seen at more northern latitudes. Also, if Arrakis has a less pronounced axial tilt than earth, the effect would be less. In Oslo, longest night of the year is about 12 hours, and longest day would mean no more than 19 (intermediated by twilight). Temaukel fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Feb 26, 2019 |
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Oddly enough reminds me of Star Wars EU material that mentions Tatooine's inhabited areas are all in the planet's equivalent of the polar regions.
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Tree Bucket posted:Do the books mention the really long days and nights that come from living at one of the poles? Or is that a thing that only happens on a tilted planet like earth? It's a consequence of a planet's tilt Ghost Leviathan posted:Pyramids are pretty strong designs, aren't they? There's a reason they're the most common shape of the biggest buildings that ancient peoples built. The reason is probably that ancient people looked at nature to know about the rules governing their world 
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Feb 26, 2019 13:23
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Oddly enough reminds me of Star Wars EU material that mentions Tatooine's inhabited areas are all in the planet's equivalent of the polar regions. star wars was 7.39% Dune by volume
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Looking up crap in the Dune Encyclopedia, Arrakis apparently had nearly no axial tilt but did have its orbit wobble around a lot, making its year duration unpredictable. Exciting!
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SpaceGoatFarts posted:It's a consequence of a planet's tilt If Arrakkis had no tilt, the days wouldn't be pronounced but even during the day it'd never be much more than twilight in Arrakkeen.
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:There's a map in the back of Dune that covers it Temaukel posted:At the earth equivalent of latitude, the day/night cycle in Arrakeen would be similar to Oslo, Norway. Polar night would be seen at more northern latitudes. Also, if Arrakis has a less pronounced axial tilt than earth, the effect would be less.
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D. Ebdrup posted:To be fair to me, most of those times has been as audiobook since I'd probably be better off with Thleilaxu eyes. Apcanopion and pericanopion? Phil Moscowitz fucked around with this message at 13:59 on Feb 26, 2019 |
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Feb 26, 2019 13:56
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If you wanna know what carryalls and ornithopters look like, load up Dune 2 and watch that sick loving intro!
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Apcanopion and pericanopion?  Apogee and perigee are terms used for all objects that orbit something in astonomy, as far as I know. DebonaireD posted:If you wanna know what carryalls and ornithopters look like, load up Dune 2 and watch that sick loving intro! BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 14:06 on Feb 26, 2019 |
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D. Ebdrup posted:I have no loving idea what this means I think apogee is for the moon or other orbits around the earth specifically. Aphelion and perihelion are orbits around the sun. Canopus is Arrakis’s star I think? So I did a @duneauthor
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Phil Moscowitz posted:I think apogee is for the moon or other orbits around the earth specifically. Aphelion and perihelion are orbits around the sun. Canopus is Arrakis’s star I think? So I did a @duneauthor Also, don't do like that piece of poo poo hack "writer", lets your waters be shed on the sand. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Feb 26, 2019 |
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Feb 26, 2019 14:17
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As much as I want the Dune movie to be good, if it’s really good @duneauthor is going to rake in the book sale money
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Phil Moscowitz posted:As much as I want the Dune movie to be good, if it’s really good @duneauthor is going to rake in the book sale money This is some serious monkey's paw
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as soon as someone says they don't like the Lynch movie, I pretty much disregard all of their opinions
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Fremen live in the deep desert, which i believe is along the equator. That's why nobody believes there are more than a few thousand, because as soon as you leave the polar region you die
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hawowanlawow posted:as soon as someone says they don't like the Lynch movie, I pretty much disregard all of their opinions David Lynch's Dune is an okay David Lynch movie. It's not his best work, something evident from the fact that in some printings it's directed by Alan Smithee - although that's not true for the newest printings, so I'm guessing he didn't mind all the cash. What it isn't, is a good filmatization of the novel Dune - there's way too much auteur director about it, and the things that the De Laurentiis' did to it to "fix" it didn't help one bit, either. It's sort of stuck between auteur director doing his brilliant thing and faithful recreation of a novel in movie form - a sort of no-persons-land like an erg full of drum-sand, where only worms roam.
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D. Ebdrup posted:so I'm guessing he didn't mind all the cash.  dude, go back and read all of your own posts on this page. look at the way you write. ask yourself: "am I an insufferable smug nerd stereotype?"
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We're all wool-gathering nerds in here.
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D. Ebdrup posted:I actually did type aphelion and perihelion first, but then I confused myself and rewrote it. If you wanna get proper with it, periastron and apastron is whats used for any star that's not the earth, also apgalacton and perigalacton. Apogee is just the gansta that's furthest away from you and periogee would be the one closest to you.
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hawowanlawow posted:
Zeniel posted:If you wanna get proper with it, periastron and apastron is whats used for any star that's not the earth, also apgalacton and perigalacton.
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Zeniel posted:If you wanna get proper with it, periastron and apastron is whats used for any star that's not the earth, also apgalacton and perigalacton. These sound like Transformers
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Ghost Leviathan posted:These sound like Transformers
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Phil Moscowitz posted:I think apogee is for the moon or other orbits around the earth specifically. Aphelion and perihelion are orbits around the sun. Canopus is Arrakis’s star I think? So I did a @duneauthor Apo/perigee is for bodies orbiting earth, -helion is for ones orbiting the sun, the general, nonspecific term is apo/periapsis. D. Ebdrup posted:
Still, though, the film got so much right. The visual aesthetic was bang on; the stillsuits, crysknives, the blue eyes, things like the Hunter-seeker that were on one hand sophisticated electronics but on the other hand aren’t because those are prohibited. The blue eyes, the thumpers, the ‘thopters, the spice harvester, the shields, the BGs, so much of it was a perfect adaptation. And then so much of it wasn’t. The stupid sound weapons, the rain at the end, Sting. If you just took everything it got right and subtracted everything it got wrong you’d have a perfect starting point. Phanatic fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Feb 26, 2019 |
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One mission of Dune 2000 takes place next to the polar ice caps with an ice wall as the northern border of the map, this image isn't from the final game where the ice is more brown and covered in dust/sand. And concept art for the game had 3 variations of an ornithopter for each faction, only the atredies one was made for the final cutscene where they bomb the emperors pyramid. 
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