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Something about the Queen of Shiva? I looked it up last time this nutbar brought it up. IIRC: It was mentioned in a quote for the Great Zimbabwe wonder, and uh, a google of it suggests that there's a controversy about the figure, something about rewriting history since white men thought it incredible that the local population had made anything noteworthy? So there's some big conspiracy theory about it. Its weird. It's also a storm in a teacup, as it's just a loving name reference buried in a blurb for a Wonder. I don't really think Firaxis was pushing any agenda with carefully curated subliminal messages, and it was probably something some intern scraped from the Internet to make assets for the game. Kinda like the the Quotes we love bitching about.
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Amethyst posted:So the game has stuff about forgotten white colonists being the brains behind ancient African achievements? I did not know about this. Ridiculous and pathetic. My bad for harsh tone initially. Serephina posted:Something about the Queen of Shiva? I looked it up last time this nutbar brought it up. IIRC: It was mentioned in a quote for the Great Zimbabwe wonder, and uh, a google of it suggests that there's a controversy about the figure, something about rewriting history since white men thought it incredible that the local population had made anything noteworthy? So there's some big conspiracy theory about it. Its weird. I agree it was probably an honest mistake, but it really emphasizes just what a poo poo job they did with the game, since it's literally one of the most obvious and common things known about Great Zimbabwe. The fact they still haven't fixed it is a testament to how little they want to engage the community on improving the game. Firaxis ain't what it used to be.
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Feb 26, 2019 05:38
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Serephina posted:Something about the Queen of Shiva? I looked it up last time this nutbar brought it up. IIRC: It was mentioned in a quote for the Great Zimbabwe wonder, and uh, a google of it suggests that there's a controversy about the figure, something about rewriting history since white men thought it incredible that the local population had made anything noteworthy? So there's some big conspiracy theory about it. Its weird. It's not so much about the devs being eugenicists or whatever, it's that they are lazy and tasteless. Like, they clearly don't have (or at least, didn't have) much interest in ancient history and the quotes and civilopedia entries reflect that. The roman unique building replaces the aqueduct. Come on!
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Feb 26, 2019 05:41
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For what it's worth the civilopedia references the Queen of Sheba take and then immediately says "yeah that's all dumb and wrong" but it raises the question of why bring it up at all then
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Feb 26, 2019 06:24
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Fojar38 posted:For what it's worth the civilopedia references the Queen of Sheba take and then immediately says "yeah that's all dumb and wrong" but it raises the question of why bring it up at all then It could just be coincidence because the civilopedia calls everything dumb.
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Feb 26, 2019 06:27
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Amethyst posted:
I've seen this written a few times and I still don't get the fuss. The Roman unique district is still an aqueduct all but in name. Would it have been better if they named it "Roman Aqueduct" instead of Bath? Sure, why not. I mean, I imagine the bath itself is supposed to be inside the aqueduct "district" and if I remember correctly it might have been a leftover from an earlier build where the Aqueduct would have been a proper district containing a building or two such as the Sewer. It may not be an elegant solution but it's not like "the Romans can't build aqueducts in this game".
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Feb 26, 2019 06:28
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The Human Crouton posted:It could just be coincidence because the civilopedia calls everything dumb. I dunno, it seems surprisingly supportive of tyrants last I recall. Qin Shi Huang, responsible for things like book burnings and purges, got fairly uncritical support, while it downplays Cyrus's actions like freeing the Jews from Babylon and generally being a just ruler to his subjects regardless of where they were from as much as possible and instead tries to portray him as a questionably-competent backstabber. It even gives fascism a lot more positive words than it deserves (while also saying it's basically "socialism with a capitalist veneer").
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Feb 26, 2019 07:09
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Such a shame the game options don't have Civ V's "no espionage" one, gently caress that stupid mechanic. I've also kinda given up caring about religion, the AI still loves to spam all those lovely units and convert me and I just don't care, I only need faith for free builders/settlers/traders anyway.
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Feb 26, 2019 07:31
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I really dig the new expansion. The games feels fuller/busier and the map now looks gorgeous with the names Mountain ranges and rivers and such. It’s neat seeing volcanos erupt and floods destroy river banks. Weather and disasters was a mechanic I didn’t think Civ needed, but I’m really loving it!
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Feb 26, 2019 07:42
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chaosapiant posted:I really dig the new expansion. The games feels fuller/busier and the map now looks gorgeous with the names Mountain ranges and rivers and such. It’s neat seeing volcanos erupt and floods destroy river banks. Weather and disasters was a mechanic I didn’t think Civ needed, but I’m really loving it! You fool, you've been brainwashed by known white supremacist Sean Bean and his concubine the Queen of Sheba.
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Feb 26, 2019 08:00
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The quote for Ruhr Valley always confused me. And now that I'm not chopping down all the trees, how to i make a national park? I figured I just needed a few woods near each other but nope. Looks like I need a natural wonder, which I have none. Dang, I get denounced for having different governments so often. The Aussies literally went to war with me when I was a democracy and they had a merchant republic. twistedmentat fucked around with this message at 08:40 on Feb 26, 2019 |
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Feb 26, 2019 08:36
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And a mountain. You'll want a mountain.
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Feb 26, 2019 09:00
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National parks are a lot of land to commit to so I try to leave three mountains and a square of free land for them.
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Feb 26, 2019 09:46
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Amethyst posted:This is about pets. Animal husbandry has nothing to do with pets. Animal husbandry is the breeding of animals for meat. Compare it to the quote from civ iv: Domestication has everything to do with animal husbandry.
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Feb 26, 2019 12:16
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twistedmentat posted:And now that I'm not chopping down all the trees, how to i make a national park? I figured I just needed a few woods near each other but nope. Looks like I need a natural wonder, which I have none. You need four unimproved tiles in a diamond shape, all in the borders of the same city, and anything that's not a mountain or natural wonder needs to have an appeal of Breathtaking (4+). You can build them outside of a city's working radius, but you can't swap those tiles so you're just out of luck if they belong to different cities. Of things you can build, holy sites, theater squares and water parks/entertainment complexes give 1 appeal to all adjacent tiles. You can also improve appeal by planting woods, building city parks, and a bunch of unique improvements. Mines, quarries, oil rigs, marsh and rainforest all give -1 appeal and can be removed. I won a tourism victory as Persia primarily by building a bunch of national parks whose only feature of note was that they were surrounded by Pairidaeza.
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Feb 26, 2019 12:52
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Amethyst posted:This is about pets. Animal husbandry has nothing to do with pets. Animal husbandry is the breeding of animals for meat. Dogs were used for hunting and guarding heard animals (not for whatever you use your chihuahua now), both of which are unlocks from Animal Husbandry.
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Feb 26, 2019 12:52
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Why would you ever build the Panama Canal wonder? Losing 3 workable tiles just for the opportunity to move naval units sounds extremely wasteful to me. I appreciate that you can now build canals but....it's not worth it.
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Feb 26, 2019 12:54
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Byzantine posted:I'm gonna make a mod that replaces all the quotes with song lyrics. Animal Husbandry "Sheep go to heaven, and goats go to hell."
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Feb 26, 2019 12:58
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TjyvTompa posted:Why would you ever build the Panama Canal wonder? Losing 3 workable tiles just for the opportunity to move naval units sounds extremely wasteful to me. I appreciate that you can now build canals but....it's not worth it. It also doesn't give you anything besides the canals. It should at least give housing or amenities or a bonus to trade routes. I built it in a game where I was actually able to make the full 7-tile canal across a continent, and I guess there's some strategic advantage to being able to move your navy across a continent and fill your land tiles with battleships and submarines, but it doesn't come up anywhere near enough to be worthwhile.
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Feb 26, 2019 13:16
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Ulvino posted:I've seen this written a few times and I still don't get the fuss. The Roman unique district is still an aqueduct all but in name. Would it have been better if they named it "Roman Aqueduct" instead of Bath? Sure, why not. I mean, I imagine the bath itself is supposed to be inside the aqueduct "district" and if I remember correctly it might have been a leftover from an earlier build where the Aqueduct would have been a proper district containing a building or two such as the Sewer. yeah then make the Bath a government building, not being able to build the thing you are p famous for is just dumb
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Feb 26, 2019 13:55
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According to the graphic it's clearly a regular old aquaduct.
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Feb 26, 2019 14:09
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Tahirovic posted:Such a shame the game options don't have Civ V's "no espionage" one, gently caress that stupid mechanic. I've also kinda given up caring about religion, the AI still loves to spam all those lovely units and convert me and I just don't care, I only need faith for free builders/settlers/traders anyway. Yeah, I'm playing Mali on emperor and wasn't able to get a prophet online and I haven't really missed having a religion at all. I hate managing all the missionaries and apostles anyway.
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Even if I do get a religion, I just don't care too much, usually I manage to snap some buildings and faith buy those before the AI convert spams me. So much was lost in terms of options from Civ5 to Civ6   That's on top of the really lacking map scripts and options for them, where did Ridgelines, Ring and all the other cool scripts go? The only really playable ones in Civ6 seem to be Pangae and Continents. Most others seem to be really lovely from my experience, bonus points for Inland Sea where 50% of the map was the sea, 10% Snow, 10% Tundra.
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Feb 26, 2019 15:04
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I played Civ 6 at launch and it was fun but a bit broken. AI wouldn't attack walled cities and that. Is it better with a few expansions under its belt? Or does the game still have those fundamental problems?
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Feb 26, 2019 15:18
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CascadeBeta posted:I played Civ 6 at launch and it was fun but a bit broken. AI wouldn't attack walled cities and that. Is it better with a few expansions under its belt? Or does the game still have those fundamental problems? I did a test of the AI in the latest patch (hit the ? under my avatar to see the results), and it still has the same fundamental problems it had at launch.
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Feb 26, 2019 15:23
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Gort posted:I did a test of the AI in the latest patch (hit the ? under my avatar to see the results), and it still has the same fundamental problems it had at launch.  That's depressing. I guess 5 would be the go to, then?
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Feb 26, 2019 15:25
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Gobblecoque posted:Yeah, I'm playing Mali on emperor and wasn't able to get a prophet online and I haven't really missed having a religion at all. I hate managing all the missionaries and apostles anyway. Whenever I start a game lately I keep saying to myself, "Don't bother with religion, if you really want one you can always conquer a neighbour", and then I might get a free relic or a great spot for a holy site, and then whoops I've sunk half my empire into sneaking out a religion rather than expanding.
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Feb 26, 2019 15:32
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CascadeBeta posted:
It's not really any better on the AI front. It's certainly cheaper, though (particularly if you already have all complete 5 but not 6.)
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Tahirovic posted:Even if I do get a religion, I just don't care too much, usually I manage to snap some buildings and faith buy those before the AI convert spams me. Inland sea has one thing going for it, at least in my experience: The map script just shits out water resources like wales, crabs, fish and pearls. Get the thing that gives you +1 production from fishing boats and go ham.
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Amethyst posted:This is about pets. Animal husbandry has nothing to do with pets. Animal husbandry is the breeding of animals for meat. Compare it to the quote from civ iv: Um... the people who wrote the Bible aren't "the ancients" in question any more than a modern person is. They're about as historically removed from the invention of Animal Husbandry as we are from them, if not more. The way this series has previously engaged in exactly that sort of mindless glorification of history while simultaneously not understanding it at all strikes me as even worse than the snarky quotes, personally. Clarste fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Feb 26, 2019 |
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I think I still have a better overall enjoyment from 5 than I do 6, but it's now hard to go back to 5 because it feel so empty compared to 6. Anyone else have that issue? I also strongly prefer 5's interface and map readability. I think 6 is very pretty, but it's UI is a bit of a clusterfuck. Share your opinions with me.
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Feb 26, 2019 16:42
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Clarste posted:Um... the people who wrote the Bible aren't "the ancients" in question any more than a modern person is. They're about as historically removed from the invention of Animal Husbandry as we are from them, if not more. The way this series has previously engaged in exactly that sort of mindless glorification of history while simultaneously not understanding it at all strikes me as even worse than the snarky quotes, personally. This is Colonialism: The Game. Of course it's going to mindlessly glorify history without understanding any of it. Civ6's snark is just a new take on a long-standing tradition, frankly.
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chaosapiant posted:I think I still have a better overall enjoyment from 5 than I do 6, but it's now hard to go back to 5 because it feel so empty compared to 6. Anyone else have that issue? I also strongly prefer 5's interface and map readability. I think 6 is very pretty, but it's UI is a bit of a clusterfuck. Share your opinions with me. I mean, Civ V's UI was a trash fire too, without mods. I'm not really sure any Civ game had a UI that was anything above mediocre, and mods have been stepping in since IV at least. Not quite sure I get you on map readability though, VI's map is a lot easier to read at a glance than V, in which cities tend to look like indistinguishable blobs unless you really zoom in.
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Magil Zeal posted:I mean, Civ V's UI was a trash fire too, without mods. I'm not really sure any Civ game had a UI that was anything above mediocre, and mods have been stepping in since IV at least. My biggest problem with Civ 6's map is the lack of contrast. Unexplored area are tan. Explored areas that aren't visible are a different shade of tan. I'm accustomed to it so I can read it pretty easily, but when I go back to Civ 5 or 4, it requires much less mental effort to differentiate where I have and haven't been.
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Feb 26, 2019 17:22
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chaosapiant posted:My biggest problem with Civ 6's map is the lack of contrast. Unexplored area are tan. Explored areas that aren't visible are a different shade of tan. I'm accustomed to it so I can read it pretty easily, but when I go back to Civ 5 or 4, it requires much less mental effort to differentiate where I have and haven't been. Yeah the fog of war is pretty and a neat concept but I don't think it works all that well.
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Feb 26, 2019 17:23
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chaosapiant posted:I think I still have a better overall enjoyment from 5 than I do 6, but it's now hard to go back to 5 because it feel so empty compared to 6. Anyone else have that issue? I also strongly prefer 5's interface and map readability. I think 6 is very pretty, but it's UI is a bit of a clusterfuck. Share your opinions with me. Civ 6 also has the crushing advantage that 6 is a bigger number than 5, and therefore superior.
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Magil Zeal posted:Yeah the fog of war is pretty and a neat concept but I don't think it works all that well. I really liked Civ V's "clouds" motif. I also just like the old school "poo poo is black if you ain't been there" motif as well. Civ 6's being an actual map is a really good idea on paper. I wonder if a mod could do something like change the map or fog of war areas color/tinting to make it stand out more. It's a very minor complaint. Overall, I really enjoy Civ 6. I don't play often enough and i'm not a good enough player to notice the AI deficiencies often enough to detract from my enjoyment. I play on Prince almost exclusively, and it feels tuned enough to where I can't just sit around and play empire builder with no army, but if I get into a scrape it's not too stressful to out maneuver the enemies army of club wielding idiots with my archers.
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I wonder how much use one can get out of the World Congress, I was dismissing it a lot at first but I recently used the "player gets culture bomb on district construction" to steal a bunch of tiles from Canada with a newly settled city and a chopped-out district. They were mostly tiles that got improved by river flooding too. I've also managed to get the +100% building production combined with some chops to speed build.
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Speaking of world congress, I like the "diplomatic currency" system in place. Instead of getting votes based on how big I am, I can actually horde these points to vote for things that would benefit me. Before it was usually binary: you can either affect change or not. Now it seems you can pick and choose what you want and save for the more useful stuff, like culture bombing with improved tiles and such.
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chaosapiant posted:I think I still have a better overall enjoyment from 5 than I do 6, but it's now hard to go back to 5 because it feel so empty compared to 6. Anyone else have that issue? I also strongly prefer 5's interface and map readability. I think 6 is very pretty, but it's UI is a bit of a clusterfuck. Share your opinions with me. Same. Districts are a step forward and I just can't look back.
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