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Al !: Jan 5, 2019; by Hand Knit

a nuclear exchange would cause almost as much death and misery in india and pakistan as great britain did

# ? Feb 27, 2019 00:39

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OhFunny: Jun 26, 2013; EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

Jose posted:

if they go nuclear and launch all their nukes at each other what sort of damage are we looking at?

5C temp drop. 40% global crop loss. 2-3 billion dead.

# ? Feb 27, 2019 00:40

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

OhFunny posted:

5C temp drop. 40% global crop loss. 2-3 billion dead.

show your working

# ? Feb 27, 2019 00:41

OhFunny: Jun 26, 2013; EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

http://www.nucleardarkness.org/warconsequences/fivemilliontonsofsmoke/

Following a war between India and Pakistan, in which 100 Hiroshima-size (15 kiloton) nuclear weapons are detonated in the large cities of these nations, 5 million tons of smoke is lofted high into the stratosphere and is quickly spread around the world. A smoke layer forms around both Hemispheres which will remain in place for many years to block sunlight from reaching the surface of the Earth. One year after the smoke injection there would be temperature drops of several degrees C within the grain-growing interiors of Eurasia and North America. There would be a corresponding shortening of growing seasons by up to 30 days and a 10% reduction in average global precipitation.

War with 100 low-yield nuclear weapons

Summary of Consequences of Regional nuclear war between India and Pakistan(from studies done at Rutgers, the University of Colorado-Boulder and UCLA)

War is fought with 100 Hiroshima-size weapons (currently available in India-Pakistan arsenals), which have half of 1 percent (0.05%) of the total explosive power of all currently operational and deployed U.S.-Russian nuclear weapons
20 million people die from the direct effects of the weapons, which is equal to nearly half the number of people killed during World War II
Weapons detonated in the largest cities of India and Pakistan create massive firestorms which produce millions of tons of smoke
1 to 5 million tons of smoke quickly rise 50 km above cloud level into the stratosphere
The smoke spreads around the world, forming a stratospheric smoke layer that blocks sunlight from reaching the surface of Earth
Within 10 days following the explosions, temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere would become colder than those experienced during the pre-industrial Little Ice Age
These nuclear war-induced effects on temperature would be twice as large as those which followed the largest volcanic eruption in the last 500 years, in 1816, which caused “The Year Without Summer”
This cold weather would also cause a 10% decline in average global rainfall and a large reduction in the Asian summer monsoon.
25-40% of the protective ozone layer would be destroyed at the mid-latitudes, and 50-70% would be destroyed at northern high latitudes. Massive increases of harmful UV light would result, with significantly negative effects on human, animal and plant life.
These changes in global climate would cause significantly shortened growing seasons in the Northern Hemisphere for at least years. It would be too cold to grow wheat in most of Canada.
World grain stocks, which already are at historically low levels, would be completely depleted. Grain exporting nations would likely cease exports in order to meet their own food needs.
Some medical experts predict that ensuing food shortages would cause hundreds of millions of already hungry people, who now depend upon food imports, to starve to death during the years following the nuclear conflict.

OhFunny has issued a correction as of 00:44 on Feb 27, 2019

# ? Feb 27, 2019 00:42

Agean90: Jun 28, 2008

So much for GLOBAL WARMING libs :smug:

# ? Feb 27, 2019 00:43

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

OhFunny posted:

http://www.nucleardarkness.org/warconsequences/fivemilliontonsofsmoke/

did all the nuke testing back in the 50's/60s not equal this?

# ? Feb 27, 2019 00:44

Al !: Jan 5, 2019; by Hand Knit

that's ok, like 30% of global food production is wasted anyway

# ? Feb 27, 2019 00:45

Captain Billy Pissboy: Oct 25, 2005; by Nyc_Tattoo; College Slice

Jose posted:

did all the nuke testing back in the 50's/60s not equal this?

I imagine the burning cities would create a lot of smoke

# ? Feb 27, 2019 00:45

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

yeah sorry i caught that quote at a weird time

# ? Feb 27, 2019 00:46

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Agean90 posted:

So much for GLOBAL WARMING libs

shapiro was right

# ? Feb 27, 2019 00:47

OhFunny: Jun 26, 2013; EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

Jose posted:

did all the nuke testing back in the 50's/60s not equal this?

No, detonating a nuke a day in a desert or tundra is not the same as a 100 detonating over cities.

It's the cities and people in them burning in huge flamestorms that causes that amount of smoke to rise and affect the climate.

Jose posted:

yeah sorry i caught that quote at a weird time

My bad there. I tend to edit things in after.

Edit: because I :justpost:

# ? Feb 27, 2019 00:49

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

that was very informative and exactly what i was after btw

# ? Feb 27, 2019 00:50

Moridin920: Nov 15, 2007; by FactsAreUseless

That testing did cause a lot of noticeable background radiation though.

I think we're only recently able to smelt steel that is not too radioactive for use in some instruments (before recently we had to salvage steel made before that testing for use in sensitive instruments).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel

Moridin920 has issued a correction as of 00:56 on Feb 27, 2019

# ? Feb 27, 2019 00:54

The Dipshit: Dec 21, 2005; by FactsAreUseless

Moridin920 posted:

That testing did cause a lot of noticeable background radiation though.

I think we're only recently able to smelt steel that is not too radioactive for use in some instruments (before recently we had to salvage steel made before that testing for use in sensitive instruments).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel

Mostly scientific instruments.

# ? Feb 27, 2019 00:59

Willie Tomg: Feb 2, 2006

OhFunny posted:

Things heating up even more.

that is... a lot of shooting holy gently caress

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsM_VmN6ytk

# ? Feb 27, 2019 01:02

OhFunny: Jun 26, 2013; EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

The Dipshit posted:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel

Mostly scientific instruments.

quote:

The primary source of low-background steel is ships that were constructed before the Trinity test, most famously the scuttled German World War I battleships in Scapa Flow.

Neat.

# ? Feb 27, 2019 01:08

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

Typo posted:

also there won't be an actual war, this is one of those "leader A and leader B both need to look tough" so some dudes on the front line are gonna die to satisfy public blood-lust situations

It's one of those "could trigger anti Muslim pogroms across India and could cause Kashmir to explode situations"

# ? Feb 27, 2019 01:36

Sheng-Ji Yang: Mar 5, 2014

OhFunny posted:

http://www.nucleardarkness.org/warconsequences/fivemilliontonsofsmoke/

Following a war between India and Pakistan, in which 100 Hiroshima-size (15 kiloton) nuclear weapons are detonated in the large cities of these nations, 5 million tons of smoke is lofted high into the stratosphere and is quickly spread around the world. A smoke layer forms around both Hemispheres which will remain in place for many years to block sunlight from reaching the surface of the Earth. One year after the smoke injection there would be temperature drops of several degrees C within the grain-growing interiors of Eurasia and North America. There would be a corresponding shortening of growing seasons by up to 30 days and a 10% reduction in average global precipitation.

War with 100 low-yield nuclear weapons

Summary of Consequences of Regional nuclear war between India and Pakistan(from studies done at Rutgers, the University of Colorado-Boulder and UCLA)

War is fought with 100 Hiroshima-size weapons (currently available in India-Pakistan arsenals), which have half of 1 percent (0.05%) of the total explosive power of all currently operational and deployed U.S.-Russian nuclear weapons

20 million people die from the direct effects of the weapons, which is equal to nearly half the number of people killed during World War II

Weapons detonated in the largest cities of India and Pakistan create massive firestorms which produce millions of tons of smoke

1 to 5 million tons of smoke quickly rise 50 km above cloud level into the stratosphere

The smoke spreads around the world, forming a stratospheric smoke layer that blocks sunlight from reaching the surface of Earth

Within 10 days following the explosions, temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere would become colder than those experienced during the pre-industrial Little Ice Age

These nuclear war-induced effects on temperature would be twice as large as those which followed the largest volcanic eruption in the last 500 years, in 1816, which caused “The Year Without Summer”

This cold weather would also cause a 10% decline in average global rainfall and a large reduction in the Asian summer monsoon.

25-40% of the protective ozone layer would be destroyed at the mid-latitudes, and 50-70% would be destroyed at northern high latitudes. Massive increases of harmful UV light would result, with significantly negative effects on human, animal and plant life.

These changes in global climate would cause significantly shortened growing seasons in the Northern Hemisphere for at least years. It would be too cold to grow wheat in most of Canada.

World grain stocks, which already are at historically low levels, would be completely depleted. Grain exporting nations would likely cease exports in order to meet their own food needs.

Some medical experts predict that ensuing food shortages would cause hundreds of millions of already hungry people, who now depend upon food imports, to starve to death during the years following the nuclear conflict.

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2013EF000205

We present the first study of the global impacts of a regional nuclear war with an Earth system model including atmospheric chemistry, ocean dynamics, and interactive sea ice and land components. A limited, regional nuclear war between India and Pakistan in which each side detonates 50 15 kt weapons could produce about 5 Tg of black carbon (BC). This would self‐loft to the stratosphere, where it would spread globally, producing a sudden drop in surface temperatures and intense heating of the stratosphere. Using the Community Earth System Model with the Whole Atmosphere Community Climate Model, we calculate an e‐folding time of 8.7 years for stratospheric BC compared to 4�6.5 years for previous studies. Our calculations show that global ozone losses of 20%�50% over populated areas, levels unprecedented in human history, would accompany the coldest average surface temperatures in the last 1000 years. We calculate summer enhancements in UV indices of 30%�80% over midlatitudes, suggesting widespread damage to human health, agriculture, and terrestrial and aquatic ecosystems. Killing frosts would reduce growing seasons by 10�40 days per year for 5 years. Surface temperatures would be reduced for more than 25 years due to thermal inertia and albedo effects in the ocean and expanded sea ice. The combined cooling and enhanced UV would put significant pressures on global food supplies and could trigger a global nuclear famine. Knowledge of the impacts of 100 small nuclear weapons should motivate the elimination of more than 17,000 nuclear weapons that exist today.

# ? Feb 27, 2019 01:39

Frog Act: Feb 10, 2012

how many thousands of Muslims were murdered in the 2002 pogroms? with the BJP in power across the board a repeat of those kinds of atrocities seems like a distinct possibility

# ? Feb 27, 2019 01:40

Al !: Jan 5, 2019; by Hand Knit

make siberia frozen again

# ? Feb 27, 2019 01:42

OhFunny: Jun 26, 2013; EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

Frog Act posted:

how many thousands of Muslims were murdered in the 2002 pogroms? with the BJP in power across the board a repeat of those kinds of atrocities seems like a distinct possibility

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Gujarat_riots

790 Muslims and 254 Hindus is the official death count with 2,500+ injuried. Other estimates put the death total at 1,926 to 2,000+ total.

# ? Feb 27, 2019 01:45

Agean90: Jun 28, 2008

I wonder what would cause the wholesale collapse of China first, the unparalleled refugee crisis, the global crop failures or the collapse of global trade as any support services/factories are vaporized

# ? Feb 27, 2019 01:45

Chinatown: Sep 11, 2001; by Fluffdaddy; Fun Shoe

nice clickbait thread title OP

nothings gonna happen OP

# ? Feb 27, 2019 01:45

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

Frog Act posted:

how many thousands of Muslims were murdered in the 2002 pogroms? with the BJP in power across the board a repeat of those kinds of atrocities seems like a distinct possibility

theres been several intermittent riots, lynchings, beatings and poo poo in the last few years. god knows how many cases of unreported hate crimes to go with em

# ? Feb 27, 2019 01:46

Willie Tomg: Feb 2, 2006

nothing like the feeling of seeing stories like this and going "oh, yeah, 20 percent of the world lives here. huh. i should probably know something about this place that i didn't learn in a ben kingsley film"

# ? Feb 27, 2019 01:50

fabergay egg: Mar 1, 2012; it's not a rhetorical question, for politely saying 'you are an idiot, you don't know what you are talking about'

Agean90 posted:

I wonder what would cause the wholesale collapse of China first, the unparalleled refugee crisis, the global crop failures or the collapse of global trade as any support services/factories are vaporized

why would india or pakistan nuke china?

# ? Feb 27, 2019 01:50

cargo cult: Aug 28, 2008; by Reene

Chinatown posted:

nice clickbait thread title OP

nothings gonna happen OP

# ? Feb 27, 2019 01:51

cargo cult: Aug 28, 2008; by Reene

Indian military industrial complex has been thirsty for something like this for the past eighteen months. its good of the ISI to oblige them. modis going to get reelected behind this.

# ? Feb 27, 2019 01:52

Agean90: Jun 28, 2008

Tastykake posted:

why would india or pakistan nuke china?

If u send a compenent to get assembled into something and it's in an indian place that got vaporized ur suddenly down a buyer op

# ? Feb 27, 2019 01:53

Stairmaster: Jun 8, 2012

Tastykake posted:

why would india or pakistan nuke china?

I think they're implying china's economy is dependant on factories in pakistan/india which I don't think is true.

# ? Feb 27, 2019 01:54

cargo cult: Aug 28, 2008; by Reene

has pakistan ever benefitted from a military confronation with india?

# ? Feb 27, 2019 01:57

mila kunis: Jun 10, 2011

cargo cult posted:

has pakistan ever benefitted from a military confronation with india?

Define Pakistan

The overall citizenry, no

Confrontation with India is what led to the army dominating the country so it's pretty good for the generals

# ? Feb 27, 2019 01:59

cargo cult: Aug 28, 2008; by Reene

its good for the security services and the officer corps, its the only reason they havent been overthrown. they dont seem to have any restraint when it comes to picking fights though.

# ? Feb 27, 2019 02:01

cargo cult: Aug 28, 2008; by Reene

Kerala is CPI ruled and cool. they might have a satatewide liquor ban or something though so i cant post up there

# ? Feb 27, 2019 02:02

Agean90: Jun 28, 2008

Stairmaster posted:

I think they're implying china's economy is dependant on factories in pakistan/india which I don't think is true.

Nope, the supply chain for everything in this globalized economy more complicated for a TV dinner is broad enough that the massive involuntary deindustrialization of a country as large as India and the subsequent flood of refugees through out the rest of se Asia will gently caress up manufacturing in every country on the planet op.

# ? Feb 27, 2019 02:02

SKULL.GIF: Jan 20, 2017

Agean90 posted:

Nope, the supply chain for everything in this globalized economy more complicated for a TV dinner is broad enough that the massive involuntary deindustrialization of a country as large as India and the subsequent flood of refugees through out the rest of se Asia will gently caress up manufacturing in every country on the planet op.

# ? Feb 27, 2019 02:12

Stairmaster: Jun 8, 2012

cool i hope it destroys capitalism (instead of strengthening oligarchs grip on power even more)

# ? Feb 27, 2019 02:17

Algund Eenboom: May 4, 2014

It's not like refugees will be fleeing to china unless they want to cross the Himalayas. Ironically India has been busy electrifying their border fence with Bangladesh to prevent any climate change-induced Muslim refugees

# ? Feb 27, 2019 02:19

FizFashizzle: Mar 30, 2005

Algund Eenboom posted:

It's not like refugees will be fleeing to china unless they want to cross the Himalayas. Ironically India has been busy electrifying their border fence with Bangladesh to prevent any climate change-induced Muslim refugees

lmao pakistani refugees would either head nw into afghanistan through mountains or south into india

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Raccooon: Dec 5, 2009

Lamebot posted:

China, a nuclear conflict in the Hindu-Kush range would gently caress their watershed too.

Mission Impossible: Fallout plot coming true

# ? Feb 27, 2019 02:24

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