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A FUCKIN CANARY!!
Nov 9, 2005


al-azad posted:

Are you talking about pressing E to disable mouse-look?

Doesn't seem to affect mode switching, though its location in the options really makes it seem like it's some sort of mouse option.



I've tried doing all sorts of mouse things and interacting with different objects with it both on and off and I can't figure out what it does. It's driving me up the wall!

All I can find online is other people asking what it does and the manual that comes with the game is just the original game manual.

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Al Cu Ad Solte
Nov 30, 2005
Searching for
a righteous cause

A FUCKIN CANARY!! posted:

In System Shock: Enhanced Edition, what the the Popup Cursor option do? The default controls seem fine to me but I won't be able to sleep until I figure this out!

Pop up cursor will label the side panels of the MFD if you hover your mouse over it. "Weapon" "Item" "Map" "Data" If you turn it off then it just stays as the regular crosshair.

A FUCKIN CANARY!!
Nov 9, 2005


Thank you!

I really didn't want to play through the whole game and then find out later I was missing something obvious with the controls.

Guillermus
Dec 28, 2009



Turin Turambar posted:

ICARUSLIV3S made a new video about a fantasy TC doom mod, it looks pretty fine. It's called Abysm: Dawn Of Innocence, anyone have played it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZuqhLU3XY0

Looks really nice. I have a bunch of mods queue'd right now in between big games and Doom is always there to fill up that time.

KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

Glagha posted:

I think literally the only thing in Amid Evil I HAVEN'T liked was the boss at the end of the latest episode. I think that thing sucked. Other than that, great!

The underwater movement is, I think, just a tad too slow and awkward for it to really gel, but it gets a lot better once you realise that each of the serpents' segments counts as a separate target for the purposes of the Aeternum. Aim it right and they'll take massive damage from it.

Mordja
Apr 26, 2014

Hell Gem
I had no idea this was a thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDblwrDDGc8

Glagha
Oct 13, 2008

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I definitely used the Aeternum and the problem with that boss wasn't that it was too hard because it only took me two tries, it's just really slow and awkward and takes forever because you move like poo poo in that situation but the trade-off is the boss does very little actual damage so it's this slow, awkward damage race, because it feels genuinely impossible to dodge some attacks.

Kamrat
Nov 27, 2012

Thanks for playing Alone in the dark 2.

Now please fuck off

Will it be distributed in cereal boxes?

Turin Turambar
Jun 5, 2011



I was writing in another forum how I still haven't found a looter shooter that I like (The Division, Anthem, Destiny, Warframe, etc) and it let me thinking... is there something equivalent in a Doom mod?
A Doom mod with tons of levels, weapons and enemies, where you gain random loot and level up?

I thought of that because lots of times I have issues with the core gameplay of the game, and without that I don't care if I level up and raise a number even higher, but a Doom mod would fix that...

SteelReserve
May 12, 2018

Turin Turambar posted:

I was writing in another forum how I still haven't found a looter shooter that I like (The Division, Anthem, Destiny, Warframe, etc) and it let me thinking... is there something equivalent in a Doom mod?
A Doom mod with tons of levels, weapons and enemies, where you gain random loot and level up?

I thought of that because lots of times I have issues with the core gameplay of the game, and without that I don't care if I level up and raise a number even higher, but a Doom mod would fix that...

I like the Quake Champions for Doom mod for Doom 1/2.

And if you need levels, we have OBLIGE.

edit: DUSK is the game we wish we had back in the Quake days. It's that good.

SteelReserve fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Feb 26, 2019

Mordja
Apr 26, 2014

Hell Gem
No leveling up, but there's Doom RLA. When's the next version of that supposed to come out again...

Roluth
Apr 22, 2014

Mordja posted:

No leveling up, but there's Doom RLA. When's the next version of that supposed to come out again...

It's been SoonTM for a while now. Apparently there's not much left to do for a big bugfix patch, but...it's SoonTM. Who knows?

It's in testing, at least!

Johnny Joestar
Oct 21, 2010

Don't shoot him?

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SteelReserve posted:

edit: DUSK is the game we wish we had back in the Quake days. It's that good.

i keep saying that. if it had come out around that time we'd be calling it a classic today without a doubt.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Turin Turambar posted:

I was writing in another forum how I still haven't found a looter shooter that I like (The Division, Anthem, Destiny, Warframe, etc) and it let me thinking... is there something equivalent in a Doom mod?
A Doom mod with tons of levels, weapons and enemies, where you gain random loot and level up?

I thought of that because lots of times I have issues with the core gameplay of the game, and without that I don't care if I level up and raise a number even higher, but a Doom mod would fix that...

Division, destiny and anthem are all crap games rushed to market because game publishers are bad.

Warframe is good but 3rd person so the shooting isn't as satisfying.

Doom fpsrpg? Demonsteele kinda?

Its sad that a mmo-esque loot shooter is such an obviously cool idea but the implementations keep sucking. (Also borderlands)

Shadow Hog
Feb 23, 2014

Avatar by Jon Davies
There was LegenDoom, at least. You don't really "level up" in it, but a few monsters are randomly selected to turn into Legendary variants of themselves, which are faster, more aggressive in attacking, have much more health, and drop a random weapon with a randomized perk as loot when they're slain. I found it rather interesting, and sorta scratched that Diablo itch.

Mordja
Apr 26, 2014

Hell Gem

Zaphod42 posted:

Division, destiny and anthem are all crap games rushed to market because game publishers are bad.

Warframe is good but 3rd person so the shooting isn't as satisfying.

Doom fpsrpg? Demonsteele kinda?

Its sad that a mmo-esque loot shooter is such an obviously cool idea but the implementations keep sucking. (Also borderlands)

I don't know about "rushed to market" when Destiny was in development for almost five years and Anthem got started in fucken' 2012.

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.

Mordja posted:

I don't know about "rushed to market" when Destiny was in development for almost five years and Anthem got started in fucken' 2012.

IDK if it applies to Destiny but most development hell games are that way because they got stopped and restarted midway in development.

Overbite
Jan 24, 2004


I'm a vtuber expert
https://twitter.com/majornelson/status/1100440511339409408

You can now play Marathon 2 on your xbone, if you ever felt like you wanted to

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Mordja posted:

I don't know about "rushed to market" when Destiny was in development for almost five years and Anthem got started in fucken' 2012.

Feels Villeneuve posted:

IDK if it applies to Destiny but most development hell games are that way because they got stopped and restarted midway in development.

Mr. Giles is correct, Destiny was rebooted halfway through and then got rushed to meet a target date. Vanilla destiny sucked, but then slowly over several expansions they actually mostly fixed the drat thing. They charged players lots of money for DLC to do so, which was lame, but they DID make the game much better, just shy of what it had promised.

Buuuut then Destiny 2 had been rushed simultaneously to the last Destiny DLCs being made, with half the team, and un-learned most of the things that D1 had fixed over the years. Rinse, repeat.

Its a real sad mess of development and planning, and if they'd just delayed D1 like a year then they could have skipped most of it. Same with D2, which launched to fanfare but then quickly got players burned out and upset as they realized that it was going to be the same period of waiting for them to slowly fix and finish the game.

And making really amazing AAA games in new genres just takes ages and ages of development and playtesting. That's how you get stuff like Half-Life 2, Halo, World of Warcraft, etc. But the industry is "release first, fix later" now. Public paid betas.

Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Feb 27, 2019

Shadow Hog
Feb 23, 2014

Avatar by Jon Davies

Overbite posted:

https://twitter.com/majornelson/status/1100440511339409408

You can now play Marathon 2 on your xbone, if you ever felt like you wanted to
Oh hey, I had actually wanted that to come to Xbone BC, and now here it is. Guess I need to put my money where my mouth is, then...

Although I'd been playing the Windows version in PCem lately and this probably don't need to play the 360 version of Marathon 2, but still, principles.

An Actual Princess
Dec 23, 2006

i finally picked up dusk and uhhhh it loving rules??? playing on cero miedo and never using saves is the perfect level of challenge and it just feels super great to play and move around in

i just hope there aren't many levels like the mine in episode 1

Barudak
May 7, 2007

I remember there being some tweaks to Durandal for 360, not that any of those tweaks were unfucking the games labrythine level design

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

Barudak posted:

I remember there being some tweaks to Durandal for 360, not that any of those tweaks were unfucking the games labrythine level design

Yeah, it was a port, not a remake. The extent of the changes is pretty much:

-Gamepad control
-New set of textures and sprites
-New HUD design
-60fps
-Internet multiplayer
-Horde mode

We also had a better compiler static effect than Aleph One at the time, so take that.

Mr E
Sep 18, 2007

Overwatch Porn posted:

i finally picked up dusk and uhhhh it loving rules??? playing on cero miedo and never using saves is the perfect level of challenge and it just feels super great to play and move around in

i just hope there aren't many levels like the mine in episode 1

There's not much like the mine, and the game is very good.

Mr E fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Feb 27, 2019

juggalo baby coffin
Dec 2, 2007

How would the dog wear goggles and even more than that, who makes the goggles?


dusk is fantastic but i wonder how well it would have done at the time

i remember that post half-life 'classic' style shooters became very unpopular, at least with critics, so if DUSK came out too late i think it would have been panned or flown under the radar. graphically it looks just post-quake, so I think if it came out then it would have been one of the all time classics, and rightly deserved.

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.


This is probably the first time anyone's thought of Hydrophobia since it first came out.

SteelReserve
May 12, 2018

juggalo baby coffin posted:

dusk is fantastic but i wonder how well it would have done at the time

i remember that post half-life 'classic' style shooters became very unpopular, at least with critics, so if DUSK came out too late i think it would have been panned or flown under the radar. graphically it looks just post-quake, so I think if it came out then it would have been one of the all time classics, and rightly deserved.

And if it had modding tools, it would probably have ended up being nearly as popular as Doom is.

I hope Dusk ends up getting modding tools.

Johnny Joestar
Oct 21, 2010

Don't shoot him?

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SteelReserve posted:

And if it had modding tools, it would probably have ended up being nearly as popular as Doom is.

I hope Dusk ends up getting modding tools.

modding tools are definitely one of the things they plan to add, iirc

the nucas
Sep 12, 2002

juggalo baby coffin posted:

dusk is fantastic but i wonder how well it would have done at the time

i remember that post half-life 'classic' style shooters became very unpopular, at least with critics, so if DUSK came out too late i think it would have been panned or flown under the radar. graphically it looks just post-quake, so I think if it came out then it would have been one of the all time classics, and rightly deserved.

its not super surprising that old school shooters fell out of favor in the industry post half life, the big shooters had generally always been one kind of thing up until that point, but i don't think there was necessarily a kind of turn against them from critics or what have you. serious sam came out the same year as halo to great reviews, painkiller came out the same year as half life 2 to similar acclaim.

this could just be some kind of survivorship bias for me though. if there were other 'classic' style shooters during that time period i sure as gently caress don't remember them.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Will Rock, for example, in the completely forgotten pile.

the nucas
Sep 12, 2002

Barudak posted:

Will Rock, for example, in the completely forgotten pile.

to be fair Charmless Serious Sam would have probably fallen into that pile even in the 90s. probably more an indictment of half-baked knockoffs than of old school shooters. thinking about it actually reminded me of a similar forgotten game from the other side of the coin, the halo wannabe Breed.

the nucas fucked around with this message at 08:29 on Feb 27, 2019

al-azad
May 28, 2009



Also the classic style shooters in the Half-Life era weren’t great games. Shogo and SiN are alright but nothing groundbreaking, and Blood 2? No thanks. FPS games very quickly experimented so you got the evolution of squad based shooters with SWAT 3, adventure hybrids with Kingpin, survival horror AvP, stealthy cinematic shooter No One Lives Forever, and so on.

Classic style shooters didn’t fall out of favor, they just evolved to multiplayer shooters which were insanely popular e.g. Tribes 2, Counter-Strike, Unreal Tournament, Quake 3, etc. The single player shooters moved to console where they couldn’t afford to be fast paced twitch shooters but that didn’t stop the likes of UT, Serious Sam, or Return to Castle Wolfenstein from coming out on PS2.

Jblade
Sep 5, 2006

I still remember Gore and it's ridiculously terrible/amazing voice acting. I also remember all of the guns having alt-fire modes which weren't half-bad (probably the only positive thing about it)

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Red Faction is a Half-Life era FPS that was definitely an also ran in every sense but had a lot going for it. Multiplayer is still my favorite TDM ever.

The dreamcast had Q3 and Unreal Tournament, it wasnt until the original Xbox you saw console specific 3rd Party multiplayer FPS like Unreal Championship 2 and that was pretty short lived as an era crapping out with Modern Warfare. At this point really arent any non-valve FPS games that dont have console versions.

Mierenneuker
Apr 28, 2010


We're all going to experience changes in our life but only the best of us will qualify for front row seats.

I remember reading a review of Red Faction saying it was “good, but not as memorable as the adventures of Morgan Freeman”. A few years later it was topped by the TV guide talking about Married With Children featuring “that loveable idiot Ted Bundy”.

Convex
Aug 19, 2010

Mierenneuker posted:

I remember reading a review of Red Faction saying it was “good, but not as memorable as the adventures of Morgan Freeman”. A few years later it was topped by the TV guide talking about Married With Children featuring “that loveable idiot Ted Bundy”.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!
To be fair, all the guy does is go around trying to prove his intellectual superiority by counting to really high numbers. I'd call him that too.

juggalo baby coffin
Dec 2, 2007

How would the dog wear goggles and even more than that, who makes the goggles?


the turn against classic shooters doesnt surprise me, half life 1 was amazing in what it did, but i think it did lead to a focus on FPS games becoming a type of minimally interactive movie, which we're only just now starting to recover from.

i have mixed feelings about the fact that classic fps type games turned into MP focused experiences, because that really led to the death of the genre. big studios stopped being willing to make anything solely for PC, and you can't make a game like UT or Quake 3 play in a satisfactory manner on consoles, and without a large playerbase MP games die insanely quickly.

i like the cod games, and for all i hated it at the time i think halo was a good-rear end game, but I do mourn the absence of the classic fps and being able to shoot monsters without being talked to.

i hope the success of doom 2016 proves to people that there is still a demand for that type of game out there, and a whole new generation of gamers to introduce it to.

Jblade
Sep 5, 2006

To be honest I think even without mimicking Half-life a lot of the mediocre shooters we got after it would still of been mediocre - you can only argue they might of fared a bit better if they'd just stuck to shooting and not try to shoe-horn bad stories in (or miss the point of Half-life in that it didn't have cutscenes and it told its story with very little exposition)

it is sad to see people dis Half-life due to its influence on everything when that's like blaming Aliens for the existence of Ghosts of Mars.

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SteelReserve
May 12, 2018

Jblade posted:

it is sad to see people dis Half-life due to its influence on everything when that's like blaming Aliens for the existence of Ghosts of Mars.

I'm more than happy to blame Aliens for the existence of all those horrible Predator movies, though.

edit: The first Predator movie was OK, though.

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