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yeah wdg learned nothing from winrt. "it's a new form factor (winrt=tablet, wcos=dual screen) so let's make it unable to run win32 apps" the good news is that they'll all be fired in about 18 months once the market has completely ignored this poo poo and everyone laughs at microsoft
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wdg: it'll be great the startup, shutdown and update will be soo much faster than win10! wdg: and it won't run win32 apps wdg: huh? it *has* to run win32 apps or no one will buy it? wdg: hmm... wdg: ok we figured it out, we'll just run the win32 apps in a win10 vm wdg: so, uh, it turns out that the win10 vm, like, added a bit of time to the startup, shutdown, and update operations...
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Feb 27, 2019 03:21
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they will never give up on forcing everybody to use their app store
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mystes posted:Since Windows RT and Windows 10 S were such a resounding success, Microsoft is working on yet another version of windows that only runs UWP applications: https://www.petri.com/microsofts-lite-os-starts-simple-with-plans-to-scale-up god they are desperately trying to compete with chromeos
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Feb 27, 2019 05:24
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pseudorandom name posted:they will never give up on forcing everybody to use their app store you forgot the word trying they will never stop trying (and failing) to force everybody to use their app store My Linux Rig posted:god they are desperately trying to compete with chromeos and like winphone, they're trying to catch a ship that sailed years ago
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Feb 27, 2019 05:40
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The_Franz posted:and like winphone, they're trying to catch a ship that sailed years ago wdg: no no you don't understand dual screen is a new form factor we're going to own the entire product category it'll be huge and we're totally not wasting hundreds of millions of dollars rewriting windows yet again so that it can't run windows apps honest
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mystes posted:Since Windows RT and Windows 10 S were such a resounding success, Microsoft is working on yet another version of windows that only runs UWP applications: https://www.petri.com/microsofts-lite-os-starts-simple-with-plans-to-scale-up how many loving times are they going to try this
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Feb 27, 2019 14:03
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the little microsoft that could
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Fiedler posted:wdg: no no you don't understand dual screen is a new form factor we're going to own the entire product category it'll be huge and we're totally not wasting hundreds of millions of dollars rewriting windows yet again so that it can't run windows apps honest that reminds me of courier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmIgNfp-MdI lol 10 whole years ago now we have foldable screens and microsoft is still years behind
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Feb 27, 2019 15:36
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courier was onenote with a level of integration and abstraction that they simply have no way to implement irl. the fact that the hardware also didn't exist until now doesn't really help either
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Feb 27, 2019 16:26
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if they could actually make anything in courier work they've had at least five years to do it on the surface pro, which is a "high powered" x86 platform that they own top to bottom they can't. creating another hardware platform isn't going to fix that
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lmao. microsoft on the gaming front: uh, actually we can't release new windows builds because punkbuster will shithouse your system
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Feb 27, 2019 17:41
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infernal machines posted:lmao. microsoft on the gaming front: uh, actually we can't release new windows builds because punkbuster will shithouse your system haha
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Feb 27, 2019 17:44
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I’m late to the smartboard talk but they were widely used when I was in community college. instructors would write everything on there, scroll instead of erasing, and then make it available as class notes on the website afterwards.
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Feb 27, 2019 18:16
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infernal machines posted:lmao. microsoft on the gaming front: uh, actually we can't release new windows builds because punkbuster will shithouse your system i say gently caress 'em, blacklist their driver and ship the bits.
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Feb 27, 2019 18:21
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they were also in common use in my highschool in rural latvia
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infernal machines posted:lmao. microsoft on the gaming front: uh, actually we can't release new windows builds because punkbuster will shithouse your system hmm, maybe in hindsight it wasn't a good idea to let people hook into the os in all kinds of horrible ways see also: why windows file i/o will forever be dogshit slow
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Feb 27, 2019 18:52
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The_Franz posted:hmm, maybe in hindsight it wasn't a good idea to let people hook into the os in all kinds of horrible ways should nuke it and start from scratch. do it like with the macOS changeover from POWER, give people a couple of versions to change from win32 to that other thing and then be done
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Feb 27, 2019 19:47
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Boiled Water posted:should nuke it and start from scratch. lol are you wdg?
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Feb 27, 2019 19:48
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SO DEMANDING posted:how many loving times are they going to try this they will never stop The_Franz posted:hmm, maybe in hindsight it wasn't a good idea to let people hook into the os in all kinds of horrible ways its too bad they loving monopolists guilty of violating anti-trust laws or they could just enforce WHQL signatures without shitbags like McAfee screaming bloody murder cue shaggar shaggaring about the EU
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Feb 27, 2019 19:55
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antitrust enforcement in the desktop os space is so 90s these days all the cool lawyers are going after google, facebook, and amazon
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Feb 27, 2019 20:06
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Boiled Water posted:should nuke it and start from scratch. they've been trying to drop win32 in some of their endeavors and failed every time because, shockingly, nobody wants a windows that doesn't run existing windows software a lot of big companies with a lot of money and lawyers would have an absolute poo poo fit if ms discontinued legacy windows because their whole existence is predicated on selling garbage utility software for it
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Feb 27, 2019 20:06
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if i cant use PROGMAN.EXE whats the point of windows?
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Feb 27, 2019 20:33
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pram posted:if i cant use PROGMAN.EXE whats the point of windows? Now that there's a Store version of WINFILE.EXE, Microsoft really need to get on that. And yes, part of why people use Windows because they like the flexibility. I don't want my laptop or desktop to be some locked-down Ios-type experience.
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Feb 27, 2019 20:44
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The_Franz posted:they've been trying to drop win32 in some of their endeavors and failed every time because, shockingly, nobody wants a windows that doesn't run existing windows software were due for a windows Steve Jobs who hates nerds, designers and everyone corporate with a passion
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Boiled Water posted:were due for a windows Steve Jobs who hates nerds, designers and everyone corporate with a passion so, uh, stevesi? even stevesi is facepalming at this Windows Lite stupidity
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Feb 27, 2019 22:25
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Fiedler posted:i say gently caress 'em, blacklist their driver and ship the bits. yeah the solution here is to dumpster the 3rd party poo poo that's breaking the os
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Feb 27, 2019 22:27
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Boiled Water posted:should nuke it and start from scratch. osx had like 2 apps that needed to be changed so it wasn't a big deal
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Boiled Water posted:should nuke it and start from scratch. but they did do that, we’re on Windows 10 and people still don’t like uwp Shaggar posted:osx had like 2 apps that needed to be changed so it wasn't a big deal it must be nice not having a lot of tech debt
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I think the biggest difference was the classic > os x transition added a ton of capabilities whereas uwp seems to be a subset of what win32 could do. also ms was trying to transition to a cleaner tech platform and make everything touch friendly at the same time which developers hate. a ton of early os x software was either next ports with next-like ui [eg omni software] or classic ports with classic-like ui
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has there ever been a successful non-general-purpose consumer platform from microsoft like, the xbox 360 maybe-to-probably? that's it?
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dont be mean to me posted:has there ever been a successful non-general-purpose consumer platform from microsoft zune?
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pseudorandom name posted:they will never give up on forcing everybody to use their app store
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dont be mean to me posted:has there ever been a successful non-general-purpose consumer platform from microsoft someone is conveniently forgetting the spot smart watches https://wear.guide/2004-microsoft-spot-watch-smartwatch/
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Windows phone was pretty good when it came out, but it really should have been a frontend for Android instead.
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Windows Phone was never good.
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Private Speech posted:Windows phone was pretty good when it came out lmao
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The_Franz posted:they've been trying to drop win32 in some of their endeavors and failed every time because, shockingly, nobody wants a windows that doesn't run existing windows software but what will they do? not use windows all of a sudden?
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