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Nosfereefer posted:My point still stands; David Cameron made sweet love to a dead pig. Savory love sir.
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Gyges posted:Yes, it's just a very silly possible cap to the developing shift. Didn't mean to imply that the American Hegemon was in full health and power until Donny flipped the off switch. Rather that it's endured through decades of work, retarding it's decay, which he's just making GBS threads all over because he doesn't understand anything but "Deals". Can we reach full fall of the empire before the orange stains are finally cleaned from the White House tub? I was being a performative jackass there for the sake of making a point and for the record I do agree that Trump's actions in the presidency will have long term consequences. Still, it really can't be emphasized enough that most of the decline of American (or European for that matter) power is a reversion to the long term historical norm. It was only relatively recently that the Atlantic basin became the centre of geopolitics and the world economy, and as the gains from the industrial revolution continue to disperse throughout the world it's quite predictable that the disproportionate power and influence of the countries that industrialized first would somewhat diminish. Most of the trends we're seeing today go back to the mid-20th century or earlier. I think it's often hard for Americans to see this because 1) they're not taught to recognize that their country was the natural successor to European imperialism and 2) they tend to think history started in 1945 and assume every event in world history is directly a result of either a good or bad thing that America did. It is good to occasionally remind yourself that most of the major trends in world history are beyond the power of any President, good or bad, to control.
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Nosfereefer posted:Well, with regards to Rome a lot of the stories about the various mad Emperors have been discarded as probable contemporary propaganda (e.g. Caligula with the Horse Senator and such). Recent political events in the US and UK leads me to kind of believe that those stories might as well be true. If David Cameron could gently caress a dead pig, then by all means Caligula could very well have made his horse a senator. It's not hard to see how a combination of rumours mixed with Trump's very real actions could end up in his being seen retrospectively as this era's Caligula. I mean, he rawdogged a pornstar while his wife was pregnant, boasted about groping women, appointed a rapist to the Supreme Court, threw a bunch of kids into concentration camps (and seems to draw real pleasure from bringing about the deaths of kids who are the wrong colour), insulted all of the country's allies, and went golfing immediately after declaring a national emergency. That's not even accounting for the flagrant nepotism and corruption. Mix in the pisstape, various unsavoury rumours about him and Ivanka, some of the stories about the creepy pedo-parties he allegedly attended in the 80s, and it really isn't hard to imagine him getting the full Caligula treatment.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:Mix in the pisstape, various unsavoury rumours about him and Ivanka, some of the stories about the creepy pedo-parties he allegedly attended in the 80s, and it really isn't hard to imagine him getting the full Caligula treatment.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:It's not hard to see how a combination of rumours mixed with Trump's very real actions could end up in his being seen retrospectively as this era's Caligula. I mean, he rawdogged a pornstar while his wife was pregnant, boasted about groping women, appointed a rapist to the Supreme Court, threw a bunch of kids into concentration camps (and seems to draw real pleasure from bringing about the deaths of kids who are the wrong colour), insulted all of the country's allies, and went golfing immediately after declaring a national emergency. That's not even accounting for the flagrant nepotism and corruption. Why would Trump be universally reviled, 50 or 100 years from now? There’ll still be the same people explaining that "you can’t judge a person from decades ago using today’s moral criteria, sexism was deeply ingrained in their culture and everyone did it".
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Why would Trump be universally reviled, 50 or 100 years from now? There’ll still be the same people explaining that "you can’t judge a person from decades ago using today’s moral criteria, sexism was deeply ingrained in their culture and everyone did it". The future will not look kindly on global warming denial.
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Why would Trump be universally reviled, 50 or 100 years from now? There’ll still be the same people explaining that "you can’t judge a person from decades ago using today’s moral criteria, sexism was deeply ingrained in their culture and everyone did it". Trump's "sexism" isn't considered acceptable even now, though. While some portion of his supporter's are behind it (note the skew in those supporters towards old white guys), a majority of the US disapproves of his rapey comments, of Kavanaugh, and of a wide range of the things I just described. As for universal revulsion, here are a few possible reasons: Trump's base skews old, so the fraction of Fox-consuming, rally-attending Trumpstaffel will be much, much less even 20-30 years from now by sheer attrition. Even now, that fraction (people who hardline support him) in the US is only about a third of the country, with the other 10% or so that he needed to win his 2016 minority victory being the kind of people who knew he was vile but held their noses and voted for him anyway. Outside the USA, he's widely regarded as a dangerous clown at best. Diplomats and world leaders literally laugh in his face and treat him like a five-year-old. But talking 50 to 100 years from now, when the effects of climate change will be immediate and the people born in those times immensely resentful of the politicians of our era, it isn't very hard to see him becoming a lightning rod for that anger. It's not by any means guaranteed, but I find it at least in the plausible to likely range that he'll be looked back upon as America's Caligula. Edit: lol E;FB on the global warming denial. Lead out in cuffs fucked around with this message at 08:39 on Feb 27, 2019 |
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Read this, it's a bombshell. Cohen's directly alleging elements of impeachable offenses, in a context that brings in other people and strongly indicates there are written records for some of it. It also explains the buzzfeed kerfluffle.
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I don't have that much of a clue about US law, but is stuff like "Mr. Trump's personal lawyers reviewed and edited my statement to Congress... ...before I gave it" a big deal? My dad's gonna want to chat about this (in terms of his weekly "holy poo poo, did you see what those assholes in my old country did" phone call) and I'd like to have some idea what to tell him. e: Also his "for the benefit of and at the direction of... Donald Trump" seems like an extremely big deal but again, what do I know.
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The bits where he talks about what a loyal and kind person he is are  but oh WOW the receipts. This is gonna be interesting.
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Elector_Nerdlingen posted:I don't have that much of a clue about US law, but is stuff like "Mr. Trump's personal lawyers reviewed and edited my statement to Congress... ...before I gave it" a big deal? My dad's gonna want to chat about this (in terms of his weekly "holy poo poo, did you see what those assholes in my old country did" phone call) and I'd like to have some idea what to tell him. I think the implication is that they would not approve anything that they could prove was untrue.
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Panic! at Nabisco posted:The bits where he talks about what a loyal and kind person he is are "I am a good person!" Same speach: "Look at how bad this man I knowingly and repeatedly lied for and helped subvert the law is!" If there's any validity to what he said and the documents he gave, though... and I'm assuming the FBI went over those documents with a fine tooth comb.
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This is the public remarks... what the hell did he tell them behind close doors yesterday is even more interesting to me
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Here is a direct link for those who don't want to have to load up CNN's sluggish and bloated site https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5753152-Michael-Cohen-Prepared-Testimony-for-House.html This morning's tweet-storm is going to be interesting kmg90 fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Feb 27, 2019 |
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Part of what he says he has:quote:Copies of letters I wrote at Mr. Trump's direction that threatened his high school, colleges, and the College Board not to release his grades or SAT scores. This is gonna be fun.
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Blue Footed Booby posted:Part of what he says he has: I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there confidentially laws that prevent a lot of that from getting released without his consent? I know I had to sign over the rights for my parents to see my college grades at the very least. E: now, if you mean Donald Trump threatening schools because hes scared people will find out his grades are bad is hilarious, I'm right there with you. FoolyCharged fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Feb 27, 2019 |
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FoolyCharged posted:I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there confidentially laws that prevent a lot of that from getting released without his consent? I know I had to sign over the rights for my parents to see my college grades at the very least. Yeah this is gonna start a "what were his grades" narrative. Note how incompetent his opponents have been that this wasn't already a thing
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Discendo Vox posted:Read this, it's a bombshell. Cohen's directly alleging elements of impeachable offenses, in a context that brings in other people and strongly indicates there are written records for some of it. It also explains the buzzfeed kerfluffle. didn't he allege trump has a goon squad to harass people like physically.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah this is gonna start a "what were his grades" narrative. Yeah, it didn't work with his tax forms, surely it would work with school grades that stopped mattering decades ago (if they ever mattered).
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Zanzibar Ham posted:Yeah, it didn't work with his tax forms, surely it would work with school grades that stopped mattering decades ago (if they ever mattered). We can probably get a cycle or two out of Donny threatening his loving High School before it is fully absorbed in the scandal miasma that is his life. Edit: assuming of course team stupid doesn't do a different normally career ending scandal before their scheduled end of the week gently caress up.
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luxury handset posted:the only value to trump's grades is that they will make him mad as hell if they are released Which makes them all the more important to release, IMO.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah this is gonna start a "what were his grades" narrative. I remember reading rumors that he wasn't a good student but he did well in the physical part of military academy. I'm also not sure his grades matter anymore, he's a moron and a terrible president on camera daily, who cares if he got a D in chemistry 60 years ago? I suppose you mean during the races, but we see now why they didn't get out.
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MickeyFinn posted:I remember reading rumors that he wasn't a good student but he did well in the physical part of military academy. I'm also not sure his grades matter anymore, he's a moron and a terrible president on camera daily, who cares if he got a D in chemistry 60 years ago? I suppose you mean during the races, but we see now why they didn't get out. My hope is that he flunked a business class and I can literally laugh my rear end off.
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Blue Footed Booby posted:My hope is that he flunked a business class and I can literally laugh my rear end off.
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Blue Footed Booby posted:My hope is that he flunked a business class and I can literally laugh my rear end off. Anecdotal reports say that he was a terrible C student in the undergrad college (note: he did NOT go to the Wharton postgrad school for business, just the undergrad), so you may get your wish! That said...really doesn't matter outside of humor value.
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MickeyFinn posted:I remember reading rumors that he wasn't a good student but he did well in the physical part of military academy. I'm also not sure his grades matter anymore, he's a moron and a terrible president on camera daily, who cares if he got a D in chemistry 60 years ago? I suppose you mean during the races, but we see now why they didn't get out. The most interesting aspect to me is how quickly the media was willing to make a narrative out of Obama's and Hillary's undergrad academics, but Trump's grades never even came up till now. Just another data point showing the different standards. If Obama had done literally *any* of the things Trump did, he'd have been impeached.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The most interesting aspect to me is how quickly the media was willing to make a narrative out of Obama's and Hillary's undergrad academics, but Trump's grades never even came up till now. Personally, I'm super looking forward to the 12 news cycle freak out over the scandalous actions of 46 with regards to how short her dress was at her swearing in. Not a single talking head will even acknowledge the discrepancy.
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Pundits: "Wow, this summit may lead to small, but concrete steps towards peace, like Liason offices..." "Baw Gawd! Is that John Bolton's music?!" https://twitter.com/ArmsControlWonk/status/1101142038030966784
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double nine posted:is maggie haberman a journalist worth reading reporting of? I'm seeing her get a bunch of mentions in my feed but she seems like a generic press pool reporter. She slobbers all over Trump's dick in the name of the God of Access, so I'd say that she is pretty terrible.
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drilldo squirt posted:The only thing I'm not sure of is if she is an honest to god idiot or a conscious unofficial trump spokeswoman. Didn't she used to write for the NY Post and made the jump to NYT when Trump was elected on the strength of her access and connections to him and his NYC socialite circle?
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The most interesting aspect to me is how quickly the media was willing to make a narrative out of Obama's and Hillary's undergrad academics, but Trump's grades never even came up till now. The overwhelming majority of people have no idea that, despite his father's immense wealth, Trump originally was only accepted to Fordham (which at the time accepted literally anyone with a pulse). He was able to transfer to UPenn later on only because a family friend was hired as an admissions officer there.
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