AIRPOWER/Cold War - Its literally the first two lines of their hymn

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goatsestretchgoals: Jun 4, 2011

Alaan posted:

Yeah in any field you want to at least start by looking at the current consensus of experts. The field CAN be collectively wrong but it's less likely than one person or organization going "No I know the real answer!"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Chesterton%27s_fence :
In the matter of reforming things, as distinct from deforming them, there is one plain and simple principle; a principle which will probably be called a paradox. There exists in such a case a certain institution or law; let us say, for the sake of simplicity, a fence or gate erected across a road. The more modern type of reformer goes gaily up to it and says, "I don't see the use of this; let us clear it away." To which the more intelligent type of reformer will do well to answer: "If you don't see the use of it, I certainly won't let you clear it away. Go away and think. Then, when you can come back and tell me that you do see the use of it, I may allow you to destroy it."

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# ? May 27, 2024 11:32

Somebody Awful: Nov 27, 2011; BORN TO DIE
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Alaan posted:

https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4037

Spotted some (fake) airpower in the sidebar.

# ? Feb 28, 2019 18:35

That Works: Jul 22, 2006; Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy

bewbies posted:

this is insidious

It's a fun class!

# ? Feb 28, 2019 18:36

priznat: Jul 7, 2009; Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

Shocking news wrt to used aussie jets (not shocking)

quote:

OTTAWA -- Parliament's budget watchdog says the Department of National Defence might have deliberately lowballed the cost of buying and flying second-hand fighter jets from Australia by $200 million.

The analysis is only the latest from the parliamentary budget office to conclude that the department underestimated the cost of a major military purchase, starting with aborted plans to buy F-35 stealth fighters back in 2011.

But budget officer Yves Giroux says the key difference from those earlier studies is this purchase doesn't involve a new piece of equipment and the Australian planes are very similar to Canada's existing fleet of CF-18s, which the used jets are to supplement until Canada replaces its fighter fleet.

As a result, he says, the department should have been able to produce extremely accurate estimates for how much it would cost to buy, upgrade and operate the 18 Australian planes for the next decade.

Instead, his office�s analysis says the actual cost will be 22 per cent higher than what has been reported by the department. In raw dollars, the report says, taxpayers will be asked to pay $1.1 billion rather than $900 million.

Giroux said he was perplexed by the department's figures, arguing it should have been able to be more accurate. He wondered whether officials might have intentionally "tweaked" the figures to prevent sticker shock or scrutiny.

I mean it isn�t even surprising at this point.

# ? Feb 28, 2019 19:06

golden bubble: Jun 3, 2011; yospos

Here's India's story about the recent kerfuffle in Kashmir. How believable is this tale?

https://twitter.com/KashmirIntel/status/1101105653320282114

https://twitter.com/KashmirIntel/status/1101106042690142211

https://twitter.com/KashmirIntel/status/1101106575844925440

https://twitter.com/KashmirIntel/status/1101107725088354304

https://twitter.com/KashmirIntel/status/1101106731910746112

https://twitter.com/KashmirIntel/status/1101108332041891840

# ? Feb 28, 2019 19:22

mlmp08: Jul 11, 2004; Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration; Nap Ghost

shame on an IGA posted:

I've got background in manufacturing QC statistics and what mortabis said is completely reasonable. I don't admit that lightly.

Yeah, in my heart of hearts, I know this. I just have a severe distrust of insurance companies and a well-meaning, honest actuary, physician, expert, whoever can be misused by companies in the US health system to generate profits rather than provide better care/compensation. It does not help that "Gulf War Syndrome" is an incredibly vague term given that any number of people were messed up post-war, but it's not like there was some singular Gulf War mist of malaise that caused issues, which makes it a double edged sword. Suspicion when any old vet says they have maladies from the war without proper documentation, but also vets who cannot specifically prove that a war where they sucked in any number of awful things had a direct impact on their health.

Hence why I called it my bias rather than my evidence/logic/etc. Companies often use good people and their work to do not so good things. See also: militaries/governments!

# ? Feb 28, 2019 19:30

A.o.D.: Jan 15, 2006

That Works posted:

I had a quiz question last week that was "Explain why Dr. That Works is a valid authority on the electoral process of Rhode Island." (I am a microbiologist). Only 1 out of 35 students answered "he's not"

I'm still bummed about it.

Critical thinking skills should be taught at every level of education.

# ? Feb 28, 2019 19:38

Mazz: Dec 12, 2012; Orion, this is Sperglord Actual.
Come on home.

There�s a whole lot of context needed to validate the responses to that kind of question though. I�m going to assume That Works made that kind of message clear in his lessons because he�s mentioned it before but it is extremely easy to see how a student (especially students who don�t pay full attention) could see that in the wrong light or as a loaded question. I don�t know many students who would willingly answer that in the negative in the middle of a test by that same teacher, almost as a element of self-preservation.

Mazz fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Feb 28, 2019

# ? Feb 28, 2019 20:06

Carth Dookie: Jan 28, 2013

R-73 armed mig 21s? :stwoon:

DCS please. I need this.

# ? Feb 28, 2019 21:13

mlmp08: Jul 11, 2004; Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration; Nap Ghost

https://i.imgur.com/RSU6Iwe.mp4

# ? Feb 28, 2019 21:59

Godholio: Aug 28, 2002; Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Captain von Trapp posted:

Well, for instance I'm an optical engineer for a huge defense contractor. One of the items on my performance evaluation is explicitly pretty much "how did you contribute to the financial health of the company”, and the answer to that question affects my pay. So I and similarly situated people are in theory way more compromised than an actuary whose company is presumably not involved in the GWS issue. But that doesn't mean I'm not giving my honest opinion when I post.

If your evaluation were based on your SA posting, the logic would work. What you're right about is that asking people that question in that situation is dumb as gently caress. Most people are not Ron Swanson.

Explosionface posted:

He often mentioned being stationed off Da Nang, so yeah, Yankee Station should cover that. I also think he did, in fact, go ashore and even had to do a couple of river patrols.

He was a Radarman who was later converted to an EW when that rating was created. He told stories sometimes about doing air traffic control for F-4s and the like and how he lost a lot of them simply due to running out of fuel .

A good time to post Pardo's Push:
TLDR is that Pardo's wingman got his F-4 chewed up by AAA near Hanoi and was rapidly lost fuel. He dropped his tail hook, Pardo put his forward windscreen against it, and reduced the loss of altitude. The hook slipped off every 15-30 seconds, and Pardo lost an engine along the way, but 90 miles later they ejected over Laos, evaded capture, and were rescued. Pardo was almost court martialed, but in 1989 both pilots got silver stars.

Edit: I don't remember seeing this posted in here: F-15C fires off missiles instead of jettisoning after emergency
I haven't heard anything about it besides what this story says, but I'm REALLY interested in how it turns out for that pilot. :lol:

Godholio fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Feb 28, 2019

# ? Feb 28, 2019 22:00

Rent-A-Cop: Oct 15, 2004; I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Dumping ordnance before making a potentially dangerous landing at a civilian airport seems pretty reasonable to me.

# ? Feb 28, 2019 22:44

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

Godholio posted:

Edit: I don't remember seeing this posted in here: F-15C fires off missiles instead of jettisoning after emergency
I haven't heard anything about it besides what this story says, but I'm REALLY interested in how it turns out for that pilot.

Landing gear problem means it could've turned into a belly landing during which having a wing full of missiles hit the ground seems like a bad idea?

# ? Feb 28, 2019 22:49

Cyrano4747: Sep 25, 2006; Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

The salient bit is probably accidentally firing them rather than just dumping them. I would strongly suspect that if you're in that situation everyone prefers that you dump your missiles like really oddly shaped bombs someplace that doesn't look like a school or orphanage rather than just having them jet off over yonder.

God only knows how/if those arm and how that's affected by jettisoning vs. firing.

# ? Feb 28, 2019 22:55

Raenir Salazar: Nov 5, 2010; College Slice

mlmp08 posted:

https://i.imgur.com/RSU6Iwe.mp4

Thanks! Not like I needed to sleep or anything. :awesomelon:

# ? Feb 28, 2019 23:02

Rent-A-Cop: Oct 15, 2004; I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Cyrano4747 posted:

The salient bit is probably accidentally firing them rather than just dumping them. I would strongly suspect that if you're in that situation everyone prefers that you dump your missiles like really oddly shaped bombs someplace that doesn't look like a school or orphanage rather than just having them jet off over yonder.

God only knows how/if those arm and how that's affected by jettisoning vs. firing.

I gathered they were intentionally sent ballistic into the ocean to avoid also dumping the pylons and external tanks.

# ? Feb 28, 2019 23:06

Cyrano4747: Sep 25, 2006; Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Ah, thought itw as a mistake launch. No idea then.

# ? Feb 28, 2019 23:08

Cat Mattress: Jul 14, 2012; by Cyrano4747

If the article isn't full of poo poo: