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VitalSigns posted:Ohhh you mean he might not have enough hall passes to prevent a 2/3 Aye vote right now. Yeah that's pretty much where my head is. The interesting part is that now, it's not just a vote for a racist edifice anymore. The money's got to be redirected from somewhere, and as best we can tell the dealmaking and musical chairs is very much ongoing. Given the list of eligible projects is already being passed around, individual reps are going to be standing to lose tens or even hundreds of millions to their district and won't be able to hide it. Some of those House reps are gonna be nervous and seeking some assurance, and I absolutely don't believe the administration has their poo poo together enough to be able to coherently offer it. 
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Loucks posted:Sure, I get that in her role as Speaker Pelosi doesn’t always get to push her own positions. What I don’t get is what end her comments about M4A are meant to serve other than FUD. Seems to be designed to damage perception of M4A, and it’s not clear how her role as Speaker dictates that she torpedo progressive policy. I suspect she gets enough money to the party from Pharma/AHIP that she's not going to take a position 100% for it until it's inescapable.
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TulliusCicero posted:Who exactly is the target audience for CPAC? Like I imagine it is just a sea of old white people and oxygen tanks, but then they try to be "the hip and cool kids" and I barely see any young people in the pictures, besides interns and speakers. Vile pieces of poo poo who need an ever increasing amount of reassurance that their ideas aren't an abomination to mankind from other folks who share their ideas.
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I know this is from a few pages back, but can I just point the big, ominous dark area that is the West Coast? Apparently everything west of the Rockies is like the shadow land in Lion King... My homestate of WA is nearly gone from the map. Then we see how bright and lush middle America aka Real America looks. Its hilarious.
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https://twitter.com/NoahShachtman/status/1101224689568022528
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Solar Coaster posted:I know this is from a few pages back, but can I just point the big, ominous dark area that is the West Coast? Apparently everything west of the Rockies is like the shadow land in Lion King... My homestate of WA is nearly gone from the map. I mean, if the upper East Coast and most of the Northern Midwest didn't absolutely despise him too, you may be on to something
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Feb 28, 2019 21:59
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TulliusCicero posted:Who exactly is the target audience for CPAC? Like I imagine it is just a sea of old white people and oxygen tanks, but then they try to be "the hip and cool kids" and I barely see any young people in the pictures, besides interns and speakers. It's a con artist convention. It's for finding out the best ways to grift old people out of their money with direct mailers and
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Feb 28, 2019 22:00
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TulliusCicero posted:Who exactly is the target audience for CPAC? Like I imagine it is just a sea of old white people and oxygen tanks, but then they try to be "the hip and cool kids" and I barely see any young people in the pictures, besides interns and speakers. 75% olds, 25% unbearable youngs. CPAC is like TPUSA, it's not actually FOR the hip youth, it's for the olds to point at their cool young friends to assure themselves that everything's cool and good actually.
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Feb 28, 2019 22:02
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Has anyone said Nancy Poolosi yet? Also, apparently Don Jr. is a big hit with the young people who showed up to CPAC. He keeps getting "mobbed" by crowds, they say. Who are these children? Who would be excited by Don Jr? Their parents must be broom closets or mops or something. It makes me sad.
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Feb 28, 2019 22:03
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Solar Coaster posted:I know this is from a few pages back, but can I just point the big, ominous dark area that is the West Coast? Apparently everything west of the Rockies is like the shadow land in Lion King... My homestate of WA is nearly gone from the map. It looks like its on fire and burned to poo poo honestly, the clouds are smoke clouds and it looks like.you can make out flames near the coast.
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Feb 28, 2019 22:03
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Feb 28, 2019 22:05
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I've heard plenty about trade sanctions with China, but I assume Trump is also working on intergalactic trade sanctions as well. https://twitter.com/michaelshermer/status/1100890035119747072
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/MSignorile/status/1101184859840659462 maybe they really are running out of money. i am sure its a combination of both like he said. the stoneman shooting backlash hurt them bad and i am sure they are in some deep water over the russia stuff. Loucks posted:Phone posting and haven’t read the whole interview, but how do we square “have not found an issue where we are really opposed” with Pelosi muddying the waters wrt M4A and talking it down? Am I missing something significant? from reading the pelosi statements. it sounds like she wants the whole thing fully fully fleshed out and then have the power to pass it before we bring it up for vote but until then try to keep Obamacare alive. while i think there is no harm in a trial run, i think its good to wait until after 2020.
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TulliusCicero posted:Who exactly is the target audience for CPAC? Like I imagine it is just a sea of old white people and oxygen tanks, but then they try to be "the hip and cool kids" and I barely see any young people in the pictures, besides interns and speakers. Fascists must constantly project an image of strength even when they are feeble and pathetic. It is essential to their ethos. Why do you think TPUSA ads are viewed almost exclusively by 60 year olds? Turning Point is not about creating and/or empowering the youthful and vital parts of the conservative movement, its about making its wasting core falsely believe those parts actually exist so they feel powerful and part of an inevitably victorious inexhaustible force.
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Solar Coaster posted:I know this is from a few pages back, but can I just point the big, ominous dark area that is the West Coast? Apparently everything west of the Rockies is like the shadow land in Lion King... My homestate of WA is nearly gone from the map. the sun is rising across America, man. Also, and I want this pointed out... there are no mountains on the east coast. 
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I found Pelosi speaking about the GND also interestingquote:The group that staged that sit-in are advocates for the Green New Deal. There seems to be a lot of energy around the idea, but not a lot of specifics. You’ve resurrected the Select Committee on the Climate Crisis. What do you want this committee empowered to do? What does it have as a goal? It sounds like Pelosi is concerned that if you have these "extra" measures in the GND that can take away from the specific focus of climate change and make it more difficult to pass .But I do think the GND authors are right that you can't just address "climate change" itself without addressing other areas that will be affected by any kind of large transition we do. And actually by addressing those as well it can make it actually easier. By having a guaranteed income and M4A you ease the economic security concerns of those worried how this transition will affect their economic security.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:from reading the pelosi statements. it sounds like she wants the whole thing fully fully fleshed out and then have the power to pass it before we bring it up for vote but until then try to keep Obamacare alive. while i think there is no harm in a trial run, i think its good to wait until after 2020. It can be that or it could just be that Pelosi isn't as progressive as a lot of folks here want her to be. It can be both, too!
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Art of the Deal https://twitter.com/spettypi/status/1101172466804768769 quote:BREAKING: In rare press conference, North Korean official says “Chairman Kim got the feeling that he didn't understand the way Americans calculate” says Kim may have "lost the will" for further negotiations.
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Feb 28, 2019 22:15
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Well there’s one dead spokesperson.
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Feb 28, 2019 22:17
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 Imagine getting outsmarted by Kim Jong-Un Bahahahaha
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Donnie's bigly dumb mush brain outplayed Kim. (the smart move when dealing with dumb chaos elements is "careful" or dont.)
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I know they're playing up the 'hermit kingdom' thing to pretend that Kim, like, never talked to a westerner before or something, but fuckin lol @ the narrative of 'we had our first experience with american diplomacy and loving hate it, bye'.
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Feb 28, 2019 22:18
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Reminder that no matter how hard they try to pretend otherwise, cops are civilians.
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Feb 28, 2019 22:18
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Perfect clothing for the mass shooter in your life! 
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Feb 28, 2019 22:21
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jesus christ
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Xarthor posted:Perfect clothing for the mass shooter in your life! This shirt would almost be cool if not for the poo poo on the arms and the people profiting from it. Shame.
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Feb 28, 2019 22:26
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Rigel posted:I've heard plenty about trade sanctions with China, but I assume Trump is also working on intergalactic trade sanctions as well. This man needs a Haldol injection stat and to be started on a clozapine regimen
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Feb 28, 2019 22:29
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God drat, just put a DSA logo at the end of that motherfucker
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Feb 28, 2019 22:31
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Yes! You fight that wave of...anti-fascists...uh......
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Prester Jane posted:This is a good post and I deeply appreciate the effort put into it, even if I am about to disagree with it pretty extensively. I want to state off the bat that I think there is a fundamental flaw in your reasoning here, and you are thinking about the violence in terms of what sort of organization and tactics would radicalize Trump supporters need to adopt in order to stand a chance of success. You then go on to describe in pretty good detail exactly why it is highly unlikely that they will form the kind of sustained coherent organization that you believe they would need in order to succeed. This is very good and very logical thinking in terms of how you've been taught by our culture to conceptualize conflict, but Narrativist conflicts are not over resources or organization, narrative is conflicts are over controlling the narrative that a given Society uses to self-reflect. If Narrativists can gain control of that then they will inevitably win* over a long enough timeline, disparity in resources or organizational capabilities be damned. So, it seems that there are two different types of discussions here. The first question is, will there be an organized way that Trump can resist leaving office, if he refuses to accept the effects of the election? Because that was the question I was answering. As we have agreed, the idea that the angry young people who make up Trump's most likely physical troops (as opposed to his older supporters), will be leaving their computers and PS4s to seize federal buildings and hold them indefinitely until the rest of the country capitulates. Who will bring them food? What will they do when the power is turned off? What will they do when there is a falling out among them about which flavor of Mountain Dew is the best? My arguments were addressed to how many of Trump's supporters would heed a call for actively seizing government control. The second question, whether there will be a lot of angry people willing to commit terrorism and right-wing violence, just to make life lovely for people...I don't doubt that there will be.
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This definitely crossed my mind a few times:
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I'm trying to remember the last time a face-to-face presidential summit like this failed so spectacularly that it didn't even finish. I mean Reykjavik was close but even that ended up with a treaty a year later (which Trump's pulling out of, lmao)
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Purge marketing looking good.
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Came here to post this. Seriously looking forward to what they have to ask him.
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The rich have a strange habit of being at death's door when they have to show up in court, so I wouldn't bet on it yet.
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Toobly posted:This man needs a Haldol injection stat and to be started on a clozapine regimen This is...quite a listen. I just had to peek in and wow, this 4 hour diatribe has it all and I'm not even halfway in. He just throws out so many random things in this hours-long gish gallop, even random as gently caress poo poo like "I'm 6% Comanche!" He really covered every single one of the dumb/crazy white guy bases and that's sort of amazing in and of itself.
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stillvisions posted:The rich have a strange habit of being at death's door when they have to show up in court, so I wouldn't bet on it yet. Ken Lay hosed up and actually died instead of just being sympathetically sick for his sentencing.
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sexpig by night posted:I know they're playing up the 'hermit kingdom' thing to pretend that Kim, like, never talked to a westerner before or something, but fuckin lol @ the narrative of 'we had our first experience with american diplomacy and loving hate it, bye'. my guess is trump just yelled about his various domestic issues and problems and cohen and while kim just sat there with a fake smile thinking "what the gently caress is this man gurgling about".
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