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| Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden |
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27 | 1.40% |
| Bernie "please don't die" Sanders |
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1017 | 52.69% |
| Cory "charter schools" Booker |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand |
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24 | 1.24% |
| Kamala "truancy queen" Harris |
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59 | 3.06% |
| Julian "who?" Castro |
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7 | 0.36% |
| Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard |
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25 | 1.30% |
| Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti |
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22 | 1.14% |
| Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown |
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21 | 1.09% |
| Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth |
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48 | 2.49% |
| Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke |
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32 | 1.66% |
| Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren |
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284 | 14.72% |
| Tom "impeach please" Steyer |
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4 | 0.21% |
| Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg |
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9 | 0.47% |
| Joseph Stalin |
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287 | 14.87% |
| Howard "coffee republican" Schultz |
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10 | 0.52% |
Jay "nobody cares about climate change  " Inslee |
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13 | 0.67% |
| Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man |
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17 | 0.88% |
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Joe Biden is that boomer he's gonna sweep the 4chan vote
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https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1101283517563047936 working great so far millenials love the gently caress out of mike pence right?
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Mar 1, 2019 02:21
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Hate has won. I understand that we can't do anything about it at this time, but the future is still ours. This election a sexist, racist, bankrupt homophobe has achieved leadership of our country. He has no political resume. Who does? Hillary Clinton. Hillary has worked her entire life to make our world a better place. She deserves the presidency. Right now she, like the rest of us, must be dumbfounded as to how a man going on trial for rape and fraud has gotten so far. But can take our lives back. Hillary, it may take you time but I hope you'll accept. Please run for president in the year 2020. We need a strong-minded woman to help bring us out of the grave Trump is making for this country. Please run again. We need you.
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Mar 1, 2019 02:23
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a.lo posted:Hate has won. source your quotes
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Mar 1, 2019 02:27
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a.lo posted:Hate has won. Right into my veins dude
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Mar 1, 2019 02:38
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a.lo posted:Hate has won. Jen kirkman is that you
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Mar 1, 2019 02:50
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Turtlicious posted:Joe Biden is going to be president and we're all going to die.
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Mar 1, 2019 02:56
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Condiv posted:https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1101283517563047936 I am extremely ready to watch Biden eat poo poo this primary.
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Mar 1, 2019 02:57
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a.lo posted:Hate has won. 
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Mar 1, 2019 03:03
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a.lo posted:This election a sexist, racist, bankrupt homophobe has achieved leadership of our country. He has no political resume. The most damning of charges to the lanyard class. 
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Mar 1, 2019 03:07
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Majorian posted:The most damning of charges to the lanyard class. The sad thing is, this is probably entirely true.
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Mar 1, 2019 03:09
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The Kingfish posted:I am extremely ready to watch Biden eat poo poo this primary. the media's disappointment and bewilderment over his crumble will make it all the sweeter
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Mar 1, 2019 03:09
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The sad thing is, this is probably entirely true. "It. Was. Her. TUUUUUUUURN!" shrieked Neera Tanden, as she achieved SSJ4 for the first time. 
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Mar 1, 2019 03:13
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Not sure if this was posted yet, but it looks like Inslee is going to announce tomorrow. https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/jay-inslee-2020-presidential-run-sources-confirm-he-ll-announce-on-friday/925874341 quote:Jay Inslee has been considering a presidential run for months. He dodged reporters’ questions about it today. Sources tell KIRO-7 the announcement will come Friday.
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Mar 1, 2019 03:14
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a.lo posted:Hate has won. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7-rhvknDx8 Silly little man, it seems you had A big idea in your head To come and conquer me Now I don't mean to go and wreck your day But ya better turn and run away Or there'll be a big, big price to pay Cause I am the one you should fear the most Cause I am the one who will take you down And as long as I exist There's hope for the world Hope for the world Hope for the world Hope for the world
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Mar 1, 2019 03:15
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First Inslee result from google.quote:Poll: Gov. Jay Inslee has zero percent support for president That's an ouch.
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Mar 1, 2019 03:17
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Biden is the Democratic party of the 1980's and the 1990's. Kamala Harris is the Democratic party of the 2010's. And Sanders is trying to be the Democratic party of the 2020's.
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Mar 1, 2019 04:03
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Inslees big thing is climate change, which is good because no one else is really making climate change the centerpiece of their campaign. I'm hoping he can bring the attention to it a bit more. He doesn't have a shot, but if he can shift the discussion I'll be happy
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Mar 1, 2019 04:13
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Quandary posted:Inslees big thing is climate change, which is good because no one else is really making climate change the centerpiece of their campaign. I'm hoping he can bring the attention to it a bit more. He doesn't have a shot, but if he can shift the discussion I'll be happy i can safely predict he'll be asked zero substantive questions about climate change
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Mar 1, 2019 04:54
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Ugh Hillary what...oh
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Mar 1, 2019 05:23
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Are we done with plant talk yet? Let's make peace with a topic we all agree on https://twitter.com/pareene/status/1101326448453971970?s=19
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Mar 1, 2019 05:35
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Doctor pay is a minuscule amount of American health spending, and the numbers are skewed because many don’t make 300k. You could also reasonably cut that pay if you made college and med school free, which would also serve to better democratize the profession (and democratizing it would help nullify some of the elitism of the profession that leads to rich doctors acting against the interest of poor patients).
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Mar 1, 2019 06:31
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There are 1.1 million doctors in the US, with an overall average salary of a little over 260 thousand. That is 275 billion, out of a total healthcare spending of 3.5 trillion. Doctor salaries are no 10% of total health spending.
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Mar 1, 2019 07:10
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KingNastidon posted:Are we done with plant talk yet? Let's make peace with a topic we all agree on https://twitter.com/pareene/status/1101326448453971970?s=19 cue the comic with the rich families not being able to buy a second yacht due to taxes.
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Mar 1, 2019 07:17
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joepinetree posted:There are 1.1 million doctors in the US, with an overall average salary of a little over 260 thousand. That is 275 billion, out of a total healthcare spending of 3.5 trillion. Doctor salaries are no 10% of total health spending. yeah doctors aren't the real culprit when administration accounts for over a quarter of healthcare spending in the us
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Mar 1, 2019 07:21
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I feel like the best way to deal with the topic of stuff like doctors salaries falling or rich people paying more than they currently do for healthcare is to literally just ignore it and not treat them as serious issues (because they aren't). You don't need to get the explicit approval of a majority of Americans about every single aspect of the bill; if you think it's a good thing to do, you just need to pass it. Responding seriously to such questions gives people the impression that the issues in question are legitimate and worth consideration. edit: I've made this point a zillion times, but all you have to do is reframe this issue in the context of any other obviously important/moral issue to realize that the people raising these concerns are not on the right side. What kind of person says "but have you considered that people will be upset for X and Y reasons if you desegregate schools?" It simply isn't consistent with someone who actually views the issue in question as an important issue of social/economic justice. If you actually think it's important and are convinced of that fact, you shouldn't give a poo poo about the concerns people have. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 07:55 on Mar 1, 2019 |
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Mar 1, 2019 07:52
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a.lo posted:Hate has won.
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Mar 1, 2019 07:53
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What happens when you lose the first two primaries?
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Mar 1, 2019 08:53
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https://twitter.com/LeftwardSwing/status/1101233438885961734 gently caress you nancy pelosi
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Mar 1, 2019 12:23
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Man M4A must really suck (for donors) then. I feel like Pelosi is intentionally trying to embarrass all the people that defend her lovely politics at this point.
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Mar 1, 2019 12:30
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he''s running (to force the other candidates to talk about climate change): https://twitter.com/JayInslee/status/1101452101916360704 inslee's announcement brings us to 11 major candidates, though biden, brown, hickenlooper, o'rourke, and others could still jump in e: vox has an interview with inslee discussing his candidacy here: https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2019/3/1/18244206/jay-inslee-president-climate-change-interview QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 13:25 on Mar 1, 2019 |
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Mar 1, 2019 13:15
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Condiv posted:https://twitter.com/LeftwardSwing/status/1101233438885961734 As mentioned in the other thread if you read the interview it’s unclear if she was talking about literal Medicare for all, which actually isn’t as beneficial as the current system since Medicare doesn’t cover things like dental, or Medicare for All, which is a vastly improved Medicare system. I think her point was that it’s not as simple as literally expanding Medicare to everyone, since the current Medicare plan is not as beneficial. You have to greatly improve and transform Medicare. Although I will say that reading that makes me wonder how in tune she is with those most advocating for M4A. Since no one I know at least is talking about just expanding Medicare to everyone and getting rid of private insurance
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Mar 1, 2019 13:27
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QuoProQuid posted:he''s running (to force the other candidates to talk about climate change): He’s right that climate change needs to be the number one priority. We can’t afford to focus on something else first and then not have enough time or energy to implement a GND. Now maybe there’s a way to wrap up some other priorities in the GND, which the GND does. But the priority has to be doing what we can to getting to zero emissions as fast as possible. If other things we want suffer because of that, that’s just the way it will be. I hope we can do more, but we can’t risk not taking massive steps to address climate change because we were focused on other things. Also he wants to end the filibuster so yay!
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Mar 1, 2019 13:40
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theblackw0lf posted:As mentioned in the other thread if you read the interview it’s unclear if she was talking about literal Medicare for all, which actually isn’t as beneficial as the current system since Medicare doesn’t cover things like dental, or Medicare for All, which is a vastly improved Medicare system. Looks like the interview happened in January, so it's possible she hadn't yet seen the proposals from Jayapal or Sanders and how they expanded Medicare benefits. But I find it more likely she's being disingenuous, especially with her "how will you pay for it" nonsense. If I had to guess her play I'd say she's setting up to maintain as much of the status quo as possible, and if she can't completely fend off the progressives she'll push for a federal public option to be the compromise. Or she's a neoliberal ghoul out of touch with the modern Dem party. Either way.
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Mar 1, 2019 13:45
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theblackw0lf posted:As mentioned in the other thread if you read the interview it’s unclear if she was talking about literal Medicare for all, which actually isn’t as beneficial as the current system since Medicare doesn’t cover things like dental, or Medicare for All, which is a vastly improved Medicare system. considering the former is literally something no-one has suggested, then she's either disingenuous or idiotic. i think, when she's the loving leader of the party, that she should be aware of what people are proposing. her saying "medicare for all is (insert thing that hasn't been proposed)" shows she's unworthy of her position based on the fact she either isn't keeping up with frequently discussed issues in her party, she's too stupid to understand what's being proposed, or she's intentionally lying about the proposals of her own party. Wicked Them Beats posted:Looks like the interview happened in January, so it's possible she hadn't yet seen the proposals from Jayapal or Sanders and how they expanded Medicare benefits. But I find it more likely she's being disingenuous, especially with her "how will you pay for it" nonsense. sanders' proposal has been on paper since well before january
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Mar 1, 2019 13:59
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She is obviously lying, she is not that bad at her job and not so stupid that she is unable to read the bills that have been submitted. It's not far-fetched, there's a group of posters here who have done the same thing constantly in the healthcare thread. No matter how many times the bill has been quoted to them they pop up every few months and say "well Medicare doesn't have dental so akshually--"
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Mar 1, 2019 14:19
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Ytlaya posted:I feel like the best way to deal with the topic of stuff like doctors salaries falling or rich people paying more than they currently do for healthcare is to literally just ignore it and not treat them as serious issues (because they aren't). You don't need to get the explicit approval of a majority of Americans about every single aspect of the bill; if you think it's a good thing to do, you just need to pass it. Responding seriously to such questions gives people the impression that the issues in question are legitimate and worth consideration. I have some small degree of sympathy for people who took on debt, years of training, and selected their specialty with certain salary expectations. Also, while doctor compensation is a small amount of health care spending, a lot of cost savings is going to come from that anyway, because they're not the ones in control. But, hey, most of these motherfuckers have been voting Republican anyway, there's been time to compromise and y'all missed it. I've worked in hospitals for years, and every doctor who truly believes in universal health care doesn't care about the impact it would have on their "lifestyle" because it's an ethical principle, and the rest are going to whine and lobby no matter what you do.
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Mar 1, 2019 14:23
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Just package it with loan forgiveness for medical school debt, and a tax deduction for past paid-off medical school debt so the FYGM "I already paid mine" get something too. Or not, maybe they'll oppose it no matter what, so we just don't do that and pass it anyway.
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Mar 1, 2019 14:26
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:I have some small degree of sympathy for people who took on debt, years of training, and selected their specialty with certain salary expectations. Also, while doctor compensation is a small amount of health care spending, a lot of cost savings is going to come from that anyway, because they're not the ones in control. But, hey, most of these motherfuckers have been voting Republican anyway, there's been time to compromise and y'all missed it. I've worked in hospitals for years, and every doctor who truly believes in universal health care doesn't care about the impact it would have on their "lifestyle" because it's an ethical principle, and the rest are going to whine and lobby no matter what you do. Student debt refinancing and forgiveness is also something the candidates need to be pushing. That said yeah the ones who've paid their debts, ok, maybe they only have one house, the horror.
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Gatts posted:How come ol’ Joe doesn’t get the “he’s too old” label that Bernie gets? because it's one of the few things to attack bernie on that carries any weight. biden's got about a hundred before you even get to his age.
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