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Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

mila kunis posted:

as always, india isnt a monolith and it probably depends. breaks down along class, ethnic, regional and religious lines:

- muslim indians probably dont want it, for obvious reasons
- middle class indians in general have more leisure time and tvs so cable news has rotted their brains because every single channel is more or less FOX
- south indians have a very different culture from the rest of india and identify less with india as a country, so hypernationalism doesnt work there to the same extent
- lots of street level party activists only care about pakistan only insofar as its an excuse to pogrom/harass/loot muslims or just have a good ol fashioned effigy burning or riot

when you say hypernationalism doesn't work in south india, do you mean it in a "south india will materially resist this dumbfuck war" sense, or in the sense that american bougie liberals 50/50 broke for/against the iraq war, but then when it started they mostly liked it, but then when it was clear the united states lost it became bad again? because, historically, wars have been a pretty good way to fuse people together in performing the stupidest possible human activity.

do you percieve any humanist counterpush in the middle class, or is it just BJP chuds all the way down?

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Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
I've just been replying to all these dudes with 'launch the nukes you cowards' but so far no one had responded

Cowards

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Willie Tomg posted:

when you say hypernationalism doesn't work in south india, do you mean it in a "south india will materially resist this dumbfuck war" sense
haha

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

https://twitter.com/rajshekharTOI/status/1101348283320942593

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes
tbf I actually kinda believe 8 year olds would volunteer to go to the frontlines cuz 8 year olds just repeat w/e they hear on tv

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

It rules how quickly actual events are converging on Starship Troopers

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 28 days!)

FRANKLY I FIND THE THOUGHT OF A MUSLIM THAT THINKS OFFENSIVE

SAY YES TO WAR JAI HIND

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Willie Tomg posted:

when you say hypernationalism doesn't work in south india, do you mean it in a "south india will materially resist this dumbfuck war" sense, or in the sense that american bougie liberals 50/50 broke for/against the iraq war, but then when it started they mostly liked it, but then when it was clear the united states lost it became bad again? because, historically, wars have been a pretty good way to fuse people together in performing the stupidest possible human activity.

in the sense that they won't give a gently caress and just go about their lives for the most part

quote:

do you percieve any humanist counterpush in the middle class, or is it just BJP chuds all the way down?

chuds and chudlites outside of south and northeast India, which are very different culturally

keep in mind that I'm not actually indian or pakistani, these are my impressions from visiting the region, talking to a lot of people and reading a lot

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

south Indians has rioted and people have died over having nationalism imposed on them.

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

mila kunis posted:

south Indians has rioted and people have died over having nationalism imposed on them.

it's more like haha if you think they are gonna start "materially" oppose this war/skirmish/w/e this is

agree with you that enforcing "unification" culture on people piss them off

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

StashAugustine posted:

It rules how quickly actual events are converging on Starship Troopers

I'm from Balakot, and I #SayYesToWar!!!

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
e: someone pointed out to me that there's sort of a hip young liberal undercurrent that hates hindutva and the bjp amongst affluent youth in Mumbai or wherever but they're probably a minority of a minority of the bourgeoisie, and even they probably keep their mouths shut out of fear of being beaten up when it comes to not hating Pakistan.

here's a popular Indian online comedy group that kind of represents that demographic making fun of modi's demonetization disaster, I guess it's kind of funny

(Turn on subtitles)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqwVOWYJSxw

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvOmBGykDTM

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

https://twitter.com/nktpnd/status/1...ingawful.com%2F

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
What did happen with the demonetization in the end?

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

StashAugustine posted:

It rules how quickly actual events are converging on Starship Troopers

Bug batteries. According to Military Intelligence, it will be random and light. #YesToWar #JaiHind #WipeOutKlendathu

JuulPodSaveAmerica
Aug 29, 2012
https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1101510926254129153

Over There
Jun 28, 2013

by Azathoth
is it over

JuulPodSaveAmerica
Aug 29, 2012
The cricket ball nuclear football is in India's court now, do they back down with the release of Commander Stache or do they escalate the situation further?

#SayYesToWar

JuulPodSaveAmerica has issued a correction as of 17:14 on Mar 1, 2019

cargo cult
Aug 28, 2008

by Reene
im not sure about this whole 'south indians dont identify with india aa s a nation state or indian nationalism' thesis. the BJP might not be super popular in parts of the south but that doesnt preclude hindu nationalist ideas from having an audience. people are religiously fanatical there and the religion and the national identity are inextricably linked at this point. i mean i think a huge part of the narrative around hinduism in the modern era comes from being suppressed first by muslim rulers then by christian and that's a shared experience between northerners and southerners. intense ethnolinguistic divides are common at the local level obviously though and theres always breakaway movements within states.

thats not to say there isnt a north/south divide and accompanying resentment but its not at the same level of intensity that islamophobia is right now

Negostrike
Aug 15, 2015


Are those crazy fucks still doing this little circus at the border?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ0ue-XGl9c

What happens there whenever these Kashmir beefs happens?

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

cargo cult posted:

im not sure about this whole 'south indians dont identify with india aa s a nation state or indian nationalism' thesis. the BJP might not be super popular in parts of the south but that doesnt preclude hindu nationalist ideas from having an audience. people are religiously fanatical there and the religion and the national identity are inextricably linked at this point. i mean i think a huge part of the narrative around hinduism in the modern era comes from being suppressed first by muslim rulers then by christian and that's a shared experience between northerners and southerners. intense ethnolinguistic divides are common at the local level obviously though and theres always breakaway movements within states.

thats not to say there isnt a north/south divide and accompanying resentment but its not at the same level of intensity that islamophobia is right now

I remember reading about Indian nationalism and whoever wrote it basically said there's 3 provinces if given a real referendum would choose to secede from India

so I buy that not all parts of India even the Hindu parts are equally nationalistic

cargo cult
Aug 28, 2008

by Reene
the first two provinces that'd voluntarily secede that come to mind are assam and punjab neither of which are southern and hindu but honestly im not like educated on the subject either

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
Tamil Nadu for example might not have Punjab's secessionist history but tamilians identify as Tamil way more than they do as indian (this is pretty true for most regions but really intense there). There's a reason none of the national parties have any seats in their legislative assembly despite their main regionalist party (the dmk) splitting into two

Fun fact, the leader of the opposition in Tamil Nadu is a guy called stalin

E: my bad, apparently the Congress has like 5% of the seats in the Tamil Nadu assembly. My point still holds though

mila kunis has issued a correction as of 18:37 on Mar 1, 2019

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._K._Stalin

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes
https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1101542935009611778

https://twitter.com/KashmirIntel/status/1101550593041022976

Fat Lowtax
Nov 9, 2008


"I'm willing to pay up to $1200 for a big anime titty"


#FinalStrike

Over There
Jun 28, 2013

by Azathoth

I'm going to destroy the Indian military

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
hmm let me look up more about hindutva

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HhzvxOVe3s&t=40s

oh my

Homocow
Apr 24, 2007

Extremely bad poster!
DO NOT QUOTE!


Pillbug

Negrostrike posted:

Are those crazy fucks still doing this little circus at the border?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ0ue-XGl9c

What happens there whenever these Kashmir beefs happens?
if I'm interpreting this ritual correctly India and Pakistan want to gently caress


or kill each other I dunno

Kazak
Jan 10, 2012

Over There posted:

is it over

Not quite
https://twitter.com/badkuthi69/status/1101558453984784385?s=19

Fuligin
Oct 27, 2010

wait what the fuck??

drat that is impressively tasteless

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 28 days!)

just cancel the daily show already

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

mila kunis posted:

e: someone pointed out to me that there's sort of a hip young liberal undercurrent that hates hindutva and the bjp amongst affluent youth in Mumbai or wherever but they're probably a minority of a minority of the bourgeoisie, and even they probably keep their mouths shut out of fear of being beaten up when it comes to not hating Pakistan.

here's a popular Indian online comedy group that kind of represents that demographic making fun of modi's demonetization disaster, I guess it's kind of funny

(Turn on subtitles)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqwVOWYJSxw

is this the crowd the indian chuds keep calling "urban naxalites"

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Jose posted:

What did happen with the demonetization in the end?

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2018/09/india-demonetization-debacle.html

Smirking_Serpent
Aug 27, 2009

https://twitter.com/SheWallBeth/status/1101627677851574272

Ramc
May 4, 2008

Bringing your thread to a screeching halt, guaranteed.

So let me get this straight Lowtax makes a joke about putting nazis in cement and gets banned from Twitter but it's okay to advocate for millions to die in atomic fire? Just checking.

cargo cult
Aug 28, 2008

by Reene
both my south indian and north indian grand parents and grand uncles and aunts were hardcore tankies lmao

386-SX 25Mhz VGA
Jan 14, 2003

(C) American Megatrends Inc.,

Ramc posted:

So let me get this straight Lowtax makes a joke about putting nazis in cement and gets banned from Twitter but it's okay to advocate for millions to die in atomic fire? Just checking.
yes

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cargo cult
Aug 28, 2008

by Reene
maybe i'm exaggerating but my dad's dad was a sincere stalinist

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