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Restructuring debts and requesting auesterity requires administration of monetary police. While the IMF can stroke austerity inside of europe because of german debt rhetoric it cannot happen in venezuela in quite the same way. Just because the IMF Wants to restructure debts does not mean itd going to do so in a negative fashion. Venezuela has DEFAULTED on its soverign debts rebranding a petro state requires foreign investment and cannot be done domestically alone.
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Venezuela's oil exports drop 40 percent after U.S. sanctions: dataquote:(Reuters) - Venezuela’s oil exports sank 40 percent in the first full month after the beginning of U.S. sanctions designed to oust Socialist President Nicolas Maduro, according to data from state-run oil firm PDVSA and Refinitiv Eikon. Effects of sanctions kicking in. Some analysts are predicting another production drop of 100,000 bpd is likely in the near future.
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Squalid posted:Venezuela's oil exports drop 40 percent after U.S. sanctions: data Gr8 so now venezuelans have to wait 9 months for CLAP instead of 8 if only the us hosed off so we could have every clap in 6 months
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Reality Winter posted:So you admit capitalism is attempting to destroy venezuela Didn't corrupt socialism already destroy the people of Venezuela?
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so i'm kind of curious what economic policy venezuela can pursue at this point. austerity obviously never works, but it feels like to me that it is a bit of an open question if venezuela actually can afford to offer robust social programs to its citizenry. not to mention how much of a necessity it is to attract foreign investment. if venezuela is unwilling to debase itself before the blood gods of the imf, are they actually capable of reversing the years and years of neglect to its domestic industries absent any outside capital? A big flaming stink fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Mar 1, 2019 |
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zapplez posted:Didn't corrupt socialism already destroy the people of Venezuela? weren't you the one insisting that colombia was a failed state as evidenced by the protesters throwing molotovs there
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A big flaming stink posted:so i'm kind of curious what economic policy venezuela can pursue at this point. austerity obviously never works, but it feels like to me that it is a bit of an open question if venezuela actually can afford to offer robust social programs to its citizenry. You can set a goal of implementing an economic system that actually, somewhat, works. However if the past has taught us anything, its that there is not single recipe you can leverage, it needs to be a sensible implementation based on where you start. You have to open up individual incentives, reduce regulatory capture, corruption, get some sort of price or information mechanism working. First and foremost, fix allocative efficiency while ensuring a basic income for the population. The goal is pretty easy to define, but getting there requires strong individual political actors. In addition, one needs to be worries about external actors - Venezuela is small but juicy to exploit. So you can not hand this over to some outside actor (or at least you shouldn't). Basically, you need someone inside Venezuela (with outside support) to get enough power to implement sensible market reforms that are centered around allocation of means of production, while keeping an extremely hawkish eye on distribution, and doing all with a rule-based, non capturable institutional framework. It's a pretty big task, tbh.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Gr8 so now venezuelans have to wait 9 months for CLAP instead of 8 if only the us hosed off so we could have every clap in 6 months I like that even in your dumbassery your main point is 'lol it's making a bad situation worse for the poorest people while doing nothing to affect the actual targets, owned much tankies???'
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A big flaming stink posted:so i'm kind of curious what economic policy venezuela can pursue at this point. austerity obviously never works, but it feels like to me that it is a bit of an open question if venezuela actually can afford to offer robust social programs to its citizenry. A USSR-style 5 year plan might work, however it would require a non-corrupt military in order to coerce the population to build the means of production needed for a functioning state. Only pump oil for domestic use, otherwise ignore oil production completely in favor of building up essential industries like agriculture and manufacturing. Only take no strings attached aid. Be prepared to engage in total war if invaded. It would be a monumental effort, but so was the USSR's rapid industrialization.
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qkkl posted:A USSR-style 5 year plan might work, however it would require a non-corrupt military in order to coerce the population to build the means of production needed for a functioning state. Only pump oil for domestic use, otherwise ignore oil production completely in favor of building up essential industries like agriculture and manufacturing. Only take no strings attached aid. Be prepared to engage in total war if invaded. It would be a monumental effort, but so was the USSR's rapid industrialization. Venezuela can't pump for domestic use because their domestic refineries have all broken down and are completely inoperable. Venezuela is a net importer of refined petroleum products. Also I hope this is one of your stupid jokes because otherwise you must be a loving idiot rather than just incredibly unfunny.
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sexpig by night posted:I like that even in your dumbassery your main point is 'lol it's making a bad situation worse for the poorest people while doing nothing to affect the actual targets, owned much tankies???' Whats worse than the starvation already faced by venezuelas poorest? The current minumum wage is 18000 per month as stated another poster. Not even enough to buy a month of food and CLAP doesnt give a week of food for a family And please, adding THE US to the front of starvation is no way to answer. WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 04:45 on Mar 1, 2019 |
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Whats worse than the starvation already faced by venezuelas poorest? Ostensibly against starvation, yet cheerleading it getting immeasurably worse, nice.
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Yeah, the state of the Venezuelan oilfields is really, really dire. As in, 'breaking down from lack of maintenance and drying up' bad. And since chavez used psuv money that would have been used to drill more wells to fund social programs, output has been declining over time as wells go dry.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Define immeasurably worse than the current situation making it even harder to get the food to the people who need it? Like, you get on the national scale bad things can get worse, right?
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sexpig by night posted:making it even harder to get the food to the people who need it? Okay 10 million people are starving currently. 33% starving. How could if be worse if the maduro regime is deposed due to lack of bribe money from oil sold to illicit parties? 33% Of the country is starving WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Mar 1, 2019 |
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Okay 10 million people are starving currently. 'so might as well bump that up to a cool 11 million' ~ people who think sanctions are good
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sexpig by night posted:'so might as well bump that up to a cool 11 million' ~ people who think sanctions are good What if expediting the deposition of the fascist regime reduced that? Is it even a possibility or are you dead set on "nothing will make it better US bad hohum"
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sexpig by night posted:'so might as well bump that up to a cool 11 million' ~ people who think sanctions are good More like 30 million Whatever percentage is actually starving, the US is attempting to starve the whole country so they can control the oil based on the recommendation of trumps friends at mar a lago.
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Presenting Nipples posted:More like 30 million Why do we need the oil? This isnt 2003. Wr are a net exporter of oil. How would more oil under OPECs belt help the US shale producers who are barely breaking even
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:What if expediting the deposition of the fascist regime reduced that? Is it even a possibility or are you dead set on "nothing will make it better US bad hohum" how does sanctions that gently caress with the people more than the elite do anything to depose the government, or is this when you show us your civil war erection
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Why do we need the oil? This isnt 2003. Wr are a net exporter of oil. How would more oil under OPECs belt help the US shale producers who are barely breaking even Because Trump was told it was a good idea by Venezuelan expats and Guaido is a useful idiot who wants his daytime TV back. Fascism is not rational. The second Guaido takes power any mention of hunger in Venezuela completely disappears from the news. It’s a crisis which is being weaponized and exacerbated for maximum impact. The US government doesn’t give a poo poo about hunger. Half of children in the US go hungry and no one gives a poo poo.
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Presenting Nipples posted:Fascism is not rational. I know this is crazy, But are you sure the fascist government in charge is not causing the problem by stealing everything that isn't nailed down and using the money stolen from the industrial sector of the country? maybe it's not solely US sanctions, and US sanctions are because the country is used as a drug and terrorist haven and transfer point into the US and canada? And once again, money stolen from industry used for things other than the country WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Mar 1, 2019 |
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pop quiz, what country is currently experiencing the worst famine, and with it the largest humanitarian crisis in the world today, and what is our stance on the people causing it. if you guessed "unconditional support," good job, gold star but, you know. we REALLY care about the starving people of Venezuela. so much we've got to sanction them.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:pop quiz, what country is currently experiencing the worst famine, and with it the largest humanitarian crisis in the world today, and what is our stance on the people causing it. So hypothetically, if the US never sanctioned the nazis, would you support it as long as US BAD ?
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:So hypothetically, if the US never sanctioned the nazis, would you support it as long as US BAD ? seriously though what the hell were you talking about with that "family jewels" line, normally you can at least figure out the intended message of your gibberish, but that one was totally untranslatable
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:seriously though what the hell were you talking about with that "family jewels" line, normally you can at least figure out the intended message of your gibberish, but that one was totally untranslatable That's because you're an idiot. https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/collection/family-jewels
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:I know this is crazy, But are you sure the fascist government in charge is not causing the problem by stealing everything that isn't nailed down and using the money stolen from the industrial sector of the country? I don’t think the Maduro government is building a national character defined in opposition to an Other (e.g. Trump and immigrants), so your charge of fascism rings hollow. The largest fascist government in the world is trying to topple Maduro. And much like most of your screaming in this thread, you make baseless assertions without a shred of evidence. The trump administration and National Assembly are absolutely exploiting corruption to further their cause; they have no interest in opposing corruption.
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Presenting Nipples posted:I don’t think the Maduro government is building a national character defined in opposition to an Other (e.g. Trump and immigrants), so your charge of fascism rings hollow. The largest fascist government in the world is trying to topple Maduro. Democracy Is Great Until You Lose: The Regime Reacts Losing the National Assembly put the PSUV in a position it had never been in before. The separation of powers across multiple branches of government meant that if the opposition controlled the legislature, it could really ruin Maduro's day in more ways than one. The legislature is in charge of approving nationals budgets and international financial treaties; of approving laws and constitutional amendments; of auditing institutions and, when needed, removing cabinet ministers from their seats. The Constitution of 1999 (which was brought in by Chavez himself) gave the National Assembly these powers so that it could act on a check against authoritarian presidents. The PSUV had lost a battle, but the war had yet to be fought. The party gave away its strategy for counteracting the opposition controlling the National Assembly even before the new legislature was sworn in. On December 23, 2015, in what would become the latest parliamentary session held by the PSUV-controlled National Assembly, the party appointed 13 new magistrates (and 20 substitute magistrates) to the Tribunal Supremo de Justicia (TSJ), Venezuela's top court. The magistrates, who would later be known as the "magistrados express", were appointed in a rush without any of the vetting process required by law. The PSUV even threatened and extorted magistrates into resigning early so that it could re-fill their seats before the opposition took control of the legislature. By the time the opposition-controlled National Assembly was sworn in on January 5, 2016, the fighters were in their corners: the opposition at the National Assembly, and the PSUV at the TSJ. As outgoing National Assembly president and PSUV vice president Diosdado Cabello said at the December 23 2015 session, [url=la confrontación es inevitable"the confrontation is inevitable"[/url]. How To Use Supreme Court to Neutralize Your Legislature The PSUV-controlled TSJ got to work on neutralizing the National Assembly before the deputies took their oath on January 5, 2016. Shortly after the election results were announced, the TSJ disqualified the results of the vote in Amazonas state, stripping the opposition of three of its deputies. 112/167 seats, which is what the opposition won on December 6, is a supermajority and gave the MUD the full arsenal of the National Assembly's powers. 109/167 seats is a simple majority, and significantly limited what the MUD could do in the legislature. The first move in the neutralization of the National Assembly had been made. As the National Assembly began to pass laws, the TSJ began to annul them. In all, the TSJ has issued 50 rulings "annulling the majority of the laws approved" by the National Assembly. The TSJ's decisions did everything from annulling entire laws to stripping away the powers given to the National Assembly by the Constitution. In late July, the National Assembly decided that it had taken enough abuse and that it would make a stand. Despite the TSJ's ruling disqualifying the results of the 2015 elections in Amazonas state, the National Assembly decided to swear-in its three deputies from that state on July 28. The MUD's reasoning for this was twofold. First, it argued that the decision to disqualify their victory was bogus, since the Consejo Nacional Electoral (CNE) had examined the results, found that no fraud had been committed, and declared the winners on December 6. For the MUD, this meant that the TSJ's decision was clearly a move at their supermajority. Second, the MUD pointed out that since the December decision, the case had been collecting dust at the TSJ. There had been no progress whatsoever made on the case by the end of July. To the opposition, this was clear evidence that the TSJ was not interested in ever dealing with the case because that was precisely the point: let it languish forever so that the deputies can never join the legislature. In August 20 2016, the TSJ got tired of annulling individual laws as they were being published. On that day, TSJ annulled seven parliamentary sessions held in April in May of that year, erasing two months of legislative work with a single ruling. On September 5, the TSJ stepped up its game: it issued a ruling declaring the National Assembly in contempt for having sworn-in the Amazonas deputies, and declared all of its future actions to be null, void and without any effect. The September 5 ruling essentially killed the National Assembly. The MUD's parliamentary wing was thrown into disarray. On January 9, 2017, the MUD conceded defeat. It formally accepted and processed the resignation of the three Amazonas deputies, formally ending the state of contempt against the TSJ's order. The TSJ refused to accept the deputies' resignation as a condition for declaring the National Assembly to not be in contempt, however. As far as the TSJ was concerned, the National Assembly was in a state of permanent contempt, and all of its actions were mute. The TSJ's coup de grace to the National Assembly came in a pair of decision in late March of 2017. The first, issued on March 28, set limits on parliametnary immunity and appeared to pave the way for the arrest of opposition deputies in legislature, while the second was issued on March 29 and 1) declared the National Assembly to be in permament contempt, and 2) assigned to the Supreme Court of all the powers of the National Assembly until such a time as the Supreme Court decided that the legislature was no longer in contempt. Taken together, the two decisions were widely condemned for spelling the end of the legislative branch in Venezuela. Such as the outcry over the decisions that the Supreme Court took the unprecedented step of rolling back the decisions just a few days later. However, the die had been cast. In response to the decisions, the opposition called for a massive demonstration in Caracas on April 1 in rejection of the Maduro regime's brazen attack on the separation of powers. The April 1 march became the first in what turned out to be a months-long protest campaign that, as of the writing of this post, has lasted over four months and claimed the lives of at least 130 Venezuelans. Elections Are Overrated! Two Votes Cancelled Aside from the neutralization of the National Assembly by the Supreme Court, 2016 was also marked by the cancellation of two electoral processes: the recall referendum against Maduro and the regional elections. Article 72 of the Constitution states that "every elected position may be the subject of a recall", including that of the President of the Republic. While the specifics of recall election conditions are beyond the scope of this post (and it's 1:00 AM!), Venezuela was in the position to initiate a recall vote against Maduro, something that it began in earnest with the MUD spearheading the measure in March of 2016. The institutional foot-dragging that occurerd as soon as the opposition submitted the paperwork requesting that the recall proceedings begin will be the focus of future books. The CNE's list of hoops for Venezuelans to jump just to begin the process of starting the recall was impressive. Before the recall vote could take place, the CNE demanded that the opposition: 1. The opposition had one month to collect signatures from 1% of registered voters in each of the country's 24 estates and the capital district. Collecting signatures from 1% of registered voters in 24 states, but only collecting 0.999% of signatures in the capital district, for example, would have resulted an immidiate end to the refernedum proceedings. In total, the opposition needed 197,000 signatures: when it collected 1.85 million signatures and handed them over for scrutiny to the CNE weeks in advance, the CNE insisted on waiting the entire 30 days before checking them. 2. Once the CNE had verified Step 1 had been completed successfully, it ordered the opposition to collect signatures (yes, again), but this time from 20% of registered voters, and also their fingerprints. In total, the opposition needed to collect 3,914,420 signatures and their corresponding fingerprints. The CNE gave the opposition 30 days to collect 197,000 signatures in the first step, and in the second step it gave the opposition 3 days to collect 20 times as many signatures. 3. Once the CNE had verified that Step 2 had been completed successfully, it would have had to announce the date of the referendum vote, but it didn't because... ... the process was cancelled on October 21, 2016. Lower courts in Apure, Aragua, Bolivar and Carabobo state had all issued simulaneous rulings in favour of the PSUV in each state, which had alleged that the opposition had committed fraud in collecting signatures in those jurisdictions. Rather than waiting for the cases to work their way up to the Supreme Court, the CNE decided to take the lower court's decisions and cancelled the process outright (Note: As of the typing of this update in August 2017, I am not aware of any of those cases every having been resolved). According to Constitutional term limits, Venezuelans should have gone to the polls on December 2016 to elect their mayors, governors and state legislators. Instead, the CNE delayed the elections for 6 months on October 18, 2016 (Note: it ended up being more than six months). The CNE did not provide an explanation for the postponement, but observers were quick to point out that both Maduro and the PSUV continued to suffer from abhorrent polling numbers, making their defeat at the polls in December a certainty. The Constituent Assembly, or: Calvinball, But With a Country On May 1, 2017, after 30 days of consecutive protests the likes of which the country had not seen for years had claimed the lives of approximately 30 people, Maduro made an unexpected announcement at a rally in Caracas: he was convening a Constituent Assembly to draft a new Constitution and defeat the PSUV's enemies once and for all. Long-feared by opposition supporters as the nuclear option, a Constituent Assembly could give Maduro the power to rule unchallenged by decree and re-shape the State in any way the he desired. Weeks later, the CNE announced that the Constituent Assembly election to vote on the body's members would take place on July 30. The Constituent Assembly is designed by the Constitution to be a powerful entity. Found in Article 347 of the document, the Constituent Assembly has the power to "transform the State, create a new judicial order and draft a new Constitution", and its decisions cannot be objected to by any one or any institution. Regime critics were quick to point out that Maduro had already violated the law by simply decreeing that the Constituent Assembly was taking place. While Article 348 of the Constitution gives the President of the Republic the power to suggest for a Constituent Assembly, the power to actually convene one rests squarely within the people of Venezuela, given that alone hold [url="the original power" that gives life to the State. Indeed, the last time that Venezuela had a Constituent Assembly, in 1999, Chavez followed this principle by first putting the matter up for a referendum vote. Only when a majority of voters elected to host a Constituent Assembly did Chavez go ahead with the plan. Maduro's May 1 announcement shook regime critics to the core, and the anti-regime protests that had been taking place since April 1 intensified in rejection of the measure. On July 16, 2017, the opposition held a plebiscite vote in which approximately 7.5 million Venezuelans voted to, among other things, reject the Constituent Assembly. Survey after survey taken between May and July showed that an overwhelming majority of Venezuelan rejected the Constituent Assembly, with a survey released just days prior to the July 30 vote showing that 72.7% of Venezuelans did not want the Constituent Assembly to take place. Such was the level of rejection of the measure that the opposition took a position that would have been unthinkable years earlier: it was arguing in the defence of the Constitution that Chavez had written in 1999! Despite months of protests leading up to the Constitutent Assembly vote, including from inside the government itself, Venezuelans took to the polls on July 30 to vote for the Constituent Assembly members. The CNE, which is responsible for running and holding elections in the country, did away with a number of anti-fraud measures prior to the vote. Unlike in previous elections, the CNE did not use indelible ink to prevent multiple voting, and it allowed people to vote in any centre in their municipality (as opposed to voting in the centre in which they were registered to vote), which gave electors the ability to cast ballots in multiple voting centres if they so wished. July 30 came and went. Pictures and videos taken at voting centres throughout the day showed largely empty voting centres, and opposition observers estimated that only 2.4 million people, approximately 12% of registered voters, had cast ballots in the election. The country reeled in shock when, at approximately midnight, the CNE announced that 8 million votes had been cast in the day's election. The opposition immediately cried foul over the CNE's 8 million vote figure. The CNE itself, via one of its heads, admitted that it was unable to guarantee that no fraud had been committed in the Constituent Assembly election because many of the organization's internal anti-fraud regulations had been "bent" or "eliminated" in order to hold the vote as soon as possible. Just three days after the July 30 vote, the U.K. company that provided the electornic voting machines for all of Venezuela's elections going back to 2004 came out with a stunning press release in which it stated "without a single doubt" that the CNE had lied about the voter turnout, because its own internal figures based on the votes counted by the voting machines showed a discrepancy of "at least one million" votes. The CNE had been caught red-handed in a lie. As of the writing of this update (August 2, 2017), the CNE and the Maduro regime have doubled-down on the assertion that 8 million people voted for the Constituent Assembly. The Assembly is scheduled to convene on August 4, 2017. As Venezuela looks to the days, weeks and months ahead, I am reminded of a line from Edgar Allan Poe's "The Raven": "Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, doubting..."
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:That's because you're an idiot. https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/collection/family-jewels ...and you are under the impression the existence of this document proves Elliot "we need to use the Salvador Option- murdering every military aged male we suspect might have ill will towards us- in Iraq" Abrams no longer supports death squads? question answered, I suppose.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:...and you are under the impression the existence of this document proves Elliot "we need to use the Salvador Option- murdering every military aged male we suspect might have ill will towards us- in Iraq" Abrams no longer supports death squads? Man you're right let's let 10 million people starve because of 1 bad apple
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Man you're right let's let 10 million people starve because of 1 bad apple how many "military aged males" are there in venezuela, leomarr. and what does the Salvador Option say we should do with them.
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Presenting Nipples posted:I don’t think the Maduro government is building a national character defined in opposition to an Other American imperialism. Greedy capitalists. Right wingers. These are Chavismo's "Other." Fascism is a form of socialism after all.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:how many "military aged males" are there in venezuela, leomarr. Military aged loving males? people have lost 40 loving pounds do you honestly think that we need to kill these people if they're only a quarter of your weight? God drat dude are you just sitting here listening to turkish pro maduro media 24x7 and jeering in anticipation of the FEMA DEATH CAMPS?
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 Nothing in that copy paste even remotely describes fascism. It’s an interesting, albeit biased views of current events in Venezuela.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Military aged loving males? people have lost 40 loving pounds do you honestly think that we need to kill these people if they're only a quarter of your weight? personally, i'm quite clear on the fact I do not think we should be killing them. what does the Salvador Option say we need to do to them, LeoMarr. to prove to their families and onlookers the price you pay for defying their rightful rulers. and what is the US Special Envoy to Venezuela's stance on whether the Salvador Option, both in El Mozote and Fallujah, is "a triumph for democracy."
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to prove to their families and onlookers the price you pay for defying their rightful rulers. https://www.hrw.org/report/2014/05/05/punished-protesting/rights-violations-venezuelas-streets-detention-centers-and https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/AMR53/0Firm: Hercon Consultores (link to survey) Survey date: November 10 to November 25 Notable results: When asked, "Who do you think will win the December 6 parliamentary elections?", respondents answered: The Mesa de la Unidad Democratica: 65.1% The PSUV: 27.5% When asked, "If the parliamentary elections were this Sunday, who would you vote for?", respondents answered: The opposition: 60.1% The PSUV: 31.6% When asked, "Who is responsible for the increasing scarcity, shortages, insecurity, high cost of living, inflation, economic war, and unemployment?", respondents answered: The Maduro Government: 65.5% Socialism of the 21st Century; 10% Corruption: 9.9% The Opposition: 4.5% The Mesa de la Unidad Democratica: 4.1% 09/2014/en/
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:What if expediting the deposition of the fascist regime reduced that? Is it even a possibility or are you dead set on "nothing will make it better US bad hohum" considering the US is a fascist regime, it’s really kinda bad that you’ve pivoted around to ‘Venezuela is more fascist than the US’ Authoritarian socialism is what it is. Calling it fascism really isn’t helping matters + kinda obfuscates the actual fascists in the US who will gently caress things up even more for the people of Venezuela. Venomous fucked around with this message at 09:55 on Mar 2, 2019 |
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:That's because you're an idiot. https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/collection/family-jewels you're seriously gonna link cia.gov?
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You don't say. Sanctions are an absolutely heinous way to deal with this stuff but nobody complains when the US does it https://www.thenation.com/article/venezuela-sanctions-emergency/ quote:The sanctions imposed by the Obama administration in March 2015 (which also declared a “national emergency”) also had a very serious impact. This is well-known in financial institutions, but generally not reported in the major media, which treat these sanctions as they are advertised by the US government, as “sanctions against individuals.” But when the individuals are high-level government officials, for example the finance minister, the sanctions cause enormous problems, as these officials are cut off from necessary transactions in most of the world financial system.
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