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I'm showing my girlfriend season 1 of TNG and even though it's ropey as gently caress she still finds it really different to discovery. As someone who's going into it mostly blind it's pretty clear the Orville is the successor to the "feel" of TNG rather than Discovery. That's not saying Discovery is bad or anything, it's just a really different sort of show and we're both finding it really hard to stay interested. Like I said in a different thread (or maybe this one I dunno) Discovery just feels so NuWho.
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Drone posted:I thought the Season 4 ending episode revealed (via future CNN clips or something) that the Alliance lasted awhile, then stagnated and fell, and something new arose from its ashes. The future clip stuff showed that Earth had another civil war and nuked itself into the Dark Ages and became a technophobic pre-industrial society, and then Alliance agents infiltrated the new society to help uplift the planet back into a technological state more rapidly. Presumably the off-Earth human alliance members were part of this too. The ship we see in the million years segment has the logo of the Rangers (the Interstellar Alliance defense force) on it.
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Mar 1, 2019 20:08
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The main thing distinguishing Orville from Trek is it is 0% epistilary. Every Trek is bookended by readings of logs and interspersed with in character narration to the point where it feels weird watching a similar show that isn't.
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Mar 1, 2019 20:11
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:The main thing distinguishing Orville from Trek is it is 0% epistilary. Every Trek is bookended by readings of logs and interspersed with in character narration to the point where it feels weird watching a similar show that isn't. I agree but it still has that same sort of....quiet discussion feel about it. It's not action based even when there IS action. Discovery feels "off" for the same reason First Contact does, I guess.
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Mar 1, 2019 20:13
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as much as I like TNG it's weird to me to want MORE TNG. it's such a weird, cobbled together product of its time and its production circumstances. i guess though I don't really care about "scifi tv"--I have no care really whether there's ever more scifi tv, or if the scifi that's on TV is suitably diverse or whatever. TNG is TNG, it's Trek. Only DS9 is really scifi at all and it's still more Trek than scifi.
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Mar 1, 2019 20:16
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Taear posted:LAs someone who's going into it mostly blind it's pretty clear the Orville is the successor to the "feel" of TNG rather than Discovery. It’s the successor to that late Next Generation/Voyager aesthetic, mostly, which they’ve achieved fantastically. The Orville feels like a 90s TV show made with today’s technology. Discovery (the current season, at least) feels like a contemporary Star Trek show.
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Mar 1, 2019 20:30
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And that sums up why I’m not interested in The Orville, but hope its fans get to enjoy it for as long as it is good. “Seth Macfarlane makes a TNG homage” sounds exactly like a thing that I’m sure is fine and that I know some people will love, but is also not for me.
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Mar 1, 2019 20:41
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Have the sets on The Orville stopped looking quite so cheap? Like, the S1 engine room looked very low-detail and low-effort.
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Mar 1, 2019 20:44
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Geekboy posted:And that sums up why I’m not interested in The Orville, but hope its fans get to enjoy it for as long as it is good. “Seth Macfarlane makes a TNG homage” sounds exactly like a thing that I’m sure is fine and that I know some people will love, but is also not for me. Oh it's homage to so much more than just Star Trek 
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Mar 1, 2019 20:45
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Geekboy posted:And that sums up why I’m not interested in The Orville, but hope its fans get to enjoy it for as long as it is good. “Seth Macfarlane makes a TNG homage” sounds exactly like a thing that I’m sure is fine and that I know some people will love, but is also not for me. I was an ardent critic for most of its first season as it just continually cribbed from TNG A and B plots, but season 2 has been a huge upgrade into something resembling an actual sci-fi show. Not to mention that the latest episode featured the best tv space battle since Sacrifice of Angels. It’s not at all what I’d want from a contemporary Trek show, but the Orville is definitely worth a watch and shouldn’t be so easily dismissed anymore.
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Mar 1, 2019 20:46
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Taear posted:I'm showing my girlfriend season 1 of TNG and even though it's ropey as gently caress she still finds it really different to discovery. This tracks because I tried and failed to like NuWho as well.
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Mar 1, 2019 21:11
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I was an ardent critic for most of its first season as it just continually cribbed from TNG A and B plots, but season 2 has been a huge upgrade into something resembling an actual sci-fi show. Not to mention that the latest episode featured the best tv space battle since Sacrifice of Angels.
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Mar 1, 2019 21:23
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Huh, neat, apparently the screen/window on the Orville bridge is actually a 90 foot actual screen, and they punch in the view during shooting so they don't have to greenscreen basically every shot on the bridge.
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Mar 1, 2019 21:25
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Oh it's homage to so much more than just Star Trek That loving slayed me.
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Mar 1, 2019 21:26
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Big Mean Jerk posted:It’s not at all what I’d want from a contemporary Trek show, but the Orville is definitely worth a watch and shouldn’t be so easily dismissed anymore. The Orville is fine, just don’t go in expecting it to be something it’s not. It’s hardcore post-OT Trek nostalgia (right down to the shamelessly ripped off James Horner score), with some hit-or-miss humour scattered around there, and a few Trek-lite plots that occasionally border on genuinely interesting. It’s like Voyager if they’d let the characters actually be interesting, basically.
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Mar 1, 2019 21:28
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God, everyone keeps leaning on the Horner references in the score, and I'm the only one pointing out that the show also loves to ripoff the seaQuest theme. EDIT: also pretty sure the last episode hit some big Williams/Star Wars beats.
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Mar 1, 2019 21:44
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The Orville feels like a kind of Last Man Standing for trekkies, a show that assures its audience that 80s/90s scifi was the best scifi, drat it! (I'm speaking here more about it being a throwback, not about its politics, mind you) I understand the opinion and I respect it, but I don't hold it. It's not for everyone. But the world can fit more than one scifi show, we'll all be fine. We wouldn't be trek nerds if we didn't argue about dumb poo poo.
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Mar 1, 2019 21:54
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ashpanash posted:We wouldn't be trek nerds if we didn't argue about dumb poo poo. 
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Mar 1, 2019 22:08
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*prophet voice* star trek is...bad? What is this?
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Mar 1, 2019 22:16
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Star Trek has been bad after DS9.
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Mar 1, 2019 22:32
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Thanks Sisko
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Mar 1, 2019 22:39
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Star Trek is...not linear.
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Mar 1, 2019 23:01
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The Orville clearly takes a lot of inspiration from TNG but it mixes things up enough to make it fresh and exciting and relevant while at the same time familiar and emotional, which ultimately is all I ever really wanted from any version of Star Trek. Surprisingly, I find myself enjoying it for what it is and not just what it reminds me of! STD by comparison feels like an overproduced Voyager episode that drags on for half a season. I mean it's not like there's nothing in there I like but I'm tired of fishing for nuggets of gold in things
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Mar 1, 2019 23:17
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Discover has a lot in it that works for me. If they could hold the camera still and get rid of the Empress and the Section 31 ship, it might even have proven itself by this point. But the camera spiraling alone makes me angry. I get it, your holograms look dimensional!
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Mar 1, 2019 23:39
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Brawnfire posted:Discover has a lot in it that works for me. If they could hold the camera still and get rid of the Empress and the Section 31 ship, it might even have proven itself by this point. But the camera spiraling alone makes me angry. I get it, your holograms look dimensional! But how can you excite/entertain your audience without the camera looking like it was dropped in the back of a cement truck?!
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Mar 1, 2019 23:43
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The camera stuff doesn't bother me so much, but the constant blasting action soundtrack was getting to me a little today. (I do like a lot of the soundtrack, though.)
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Mar 2, 2019 00:25
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:This tracks because I tried and failed to like NuWho as well. I think what makes it the same in my head is the super melodramatic stakes that both shows have almost every episode and then the technobabble way of fixing it. Of course Star Trek always had technobabble, but it feels more obvious when it's saving the whole universe rather than just the ship. And when it's something different instead of variations on themes (deflector dish, etc). It's like there's rules they work within even if they're fake rules and Discovery (and NuWho) hasn't got those rules. Also man careful with the Orville spoilers in here, it's not been on here yet!
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Mar 2, 2019 01:14
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Cythereal posted:The Gorn are in Star Trek Online, too, where they've been conquered by the Klingon Empire and are now a client state. Funny thing is, they're the Empire's designated science dudes - all the Gorn ships available to players are dedicated science vessels, and the KDF's default race for holograms is Gorn because they're the race in the Empire that generally cares about that stuff. Well in Arena they did make Spock's Tricorder go boom..
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Taear posted:I think what makes it the same in my head is the super melodramatic stakes that both shows have almost every episode and then the technobabble way of fixing it. This is exactly it. I was a big fan of the old Doctor Who, and I tried so hard to like the new show that I actually lasted something like 5 seasons until I figured out I didn't owe it anything.
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Mar 2, 2019 01:53
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I have a trek reference in one of my dating profiles. Sometimes I get compliments on it. Sometimes I get a nice convo starter. Today I got a 3 page caremad rant about Axanar. 
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Mar 2, 2019 02:28
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Scudworth posted:I have a trek reference in one of my dating profiles. Well that's a red flag...
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Mar 2, 2019 02:38
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Scudworth posted:I have a trek reference in one of my dating profiles. Did you swipe right?
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Mar 2, 2019 02:42
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Scudworth posted:I have a trek reference in one of my dating profiles. So, when's the wedding?
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Mar 2, 2019 02:42
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Scudworth posted:I have a trek reference in one of my dating profiles. What’s his forum name lol
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Mar 2, 2019 02:58
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Everyone in these here forums knows Axanar and the people behind it are fucksticks
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Mar 2, 2019 03:05
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So uh you matched with the guy who made Axanar, huh?
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Mar 2, 2019 03:27
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Everyone in these here forums knows Axanar and the people behind it are fucksticks And the good trek fan episodes main dude has been seriously milkshake duck'd as well. God drat it, trek fan community. It's sex pests and pedos and scammers all the way down.
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Mar 2, 2019 03:29
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im a better person than my star trek posting suggests i mean you'd hope so right
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Mar 2, 2019 03:41
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Baronjutter posted:And the good trek fan episodes main dude has been seriously milkshake duck'd as well. God drat it, trek fan community. It's sex pests and pedos and scammers all the way down. Seriously I hate the Trek fandom so much, I used to be all 'aww you fuckin nerds missed the point' but they're so belligerent now it's unreal I've half a mind to start my own lovely youtube channel so I can yell at/about these fuckers but then I'd probably get death threats sent to my house
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Tighclops posted:Seriously I hate the Trek fandom so much, I used to be all 'aww you fuckin nerds missed the point' but they're so belligerent now it's unreal Trek fans have become such toxic pieces of poo poo in the last decade or so. And they were already pretty annoying online when VOY-ENT were airing. What broke us?
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