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Judakel posted:I think it is awful that you'd argue for making it worse. bY yOuR loGiC etc etc etc I am a oval office dem give me billionaire dicks to suck (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mackers posted:bY yOuR loGiC etc etc etc I am a oval office dem give me billionaire dicks to suck Please don't mock the people of this fine thread. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Judakel posted:Please don't mock the people of this fine thread. sorry you guys are great good job
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typical coward cunts
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Is this something that happens in a normal, democratic society? https://twitter.com/ConflictsW/status/1101149013066293248 You loving tankies just don't stop. The USSR, the main target of Reagan era containment policy in Central and south America no longer exists. Cuba is basically a Castro Family Oligarchy overseeing a crumbling tankie theme park that depends on all-inclusive drink-till-you-puke resorts for fat, dumpy Canadians and Europeans, rum, and tobacco exports to survive. Leftist governments in Bolivia and Nicaragua are collapsing under their own authoritarian weight. The people of Venezuela don't deserve the same fate. They deserve a free, interim Government that has the resources to administer free elections. The 80s are over. The Soviets lost. Get Over it. MullardEL34 fucked around with this message at 11:25 on Mar 3, 2019 |
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Private Witt posted:Not even the dunces in Maduro's government are saying they took drugs. Delcy just yesterday said in a public statement that they were poisoned. Got better sources on the poisoning for sharing, chief?
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MullardEL34 posted:Is this something that happens in a normal, democratic society? Yes.
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gangs doing graffiti? nope, only happens under communism 
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Truga posted:gangs doing graffiti? nope, only happens under communism Was one of your examples really a fake hate crime? Good job. The concern isn't that houses are getting graffiti'd. Its clear a sign to intimidate the residents and set them up to be victims of violence.
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"fake hate crime" lmao whatzapplez posted:The concern isn't that houses are getting graffiti'd. Its clear a sign to intimidate the residents and set them up to be victims of violence. yes, that's the whole idea behind gang graffiti. they exist literally everywhere in the world, outside incredibly rural areas e: vvvv: lol US is so hosed Truga fucked around with this message at 14:03 on Mar 3, 2019 |
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Truga posted:"fake hate crime" lmao what ya the top one i'm pretty sure was church that turned out a guy that goes there did it before the election
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zapplez posted:Was one of your examples really a fake hate crime? Good job. So you're saying the graffiti in Venezuela posted has a chance of being fake?
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Tom Guycot posted:So you're saying the graffiti in Venezuela posted has a chance of being fake? Don't ask this like you haven't already decided it is.
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Tom Guycot posted:So you're saying the graffiti in Venezuela posted has a chance of being fake? Considering the amount of the idiots who think food insecurity in Venezuela is fake because they saw the one rich supermarket fully stocked with condiments, nothing will surprise me anymore.
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MullardEL34 posted:Is this something that happens in a normal, democratic society? CNW purports itself to be a twitter source of "OSINT, Conflicts, News, Geolocation" but mostly seems to be about venezuela. It retweets bullshit from the same VOA DC Bureau Chief that this thread likes to cite and barely disguises itself as an uninterested party with a handful of scattered tweets about North Korea and the Kashmir conflict. CNW is poor man's bellingcat, almost all its followers are regime change fans using this hashtag: #IntervencionMilitarYa There is no proof those images were even taken in Venezuela outside of this twitter account and some no name sources purporting that this event took place.
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zapplez posted:Considering the amount of the idiots who think food insecurity in Venezuela is fake because they saw the one rich supermarket fully stocked with condiments, nothing will surprise me anymore. Haha people actually think this ITT? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Darth Walrus posted:Got better sources on the poisoning for sharing, chief? If you click on the link provided in the tweet where he says they "took drugs", it says it was a poisoning. The propagandist clarifies in a reply tweet that it "may have been a poisoning" (lol). VP Delcy Rodriguez referred to it as a poisoning two days ago: https://mundo.sputniknews.com/video/201903011085825610-video-dulcy-prostitutas-diputado-oposicion-venezuela/ The police report said that this drug was used in the poisoning, commonly used to rob people in Colombia.
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Cuba sucks so much they invented the worlds first lung cancer vaccine, will their perfidious ways ever end without an economic blockade and military invasion?!
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Harry Potter on Ice posted:Haha people actually think this ITT? Had a few idiots that posted this in the thread and thought that it was going to change peoples minds that the entire NGO community saying Venezuela is hungry and needs help is wrong. https://twitter.com/PressTV/status/1096427552862814209
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zapplez posted:Had a few idiots that posted this in the thread and thought that it was going to change peoples minds that the entire NGO community saying Venezuela is hungry and needs help is wrong. first Collapsed State Colombia, now this. tsk tsk. the argument, that I have found unconvincing but has some teeth to it, is that food hoarders are exacerbating the problem. claiming there is no hunger in Venezuela is like claiming the US special envoy to Venezuela didn't commit sledgehammer genocide in Guatemala in the name of bringing them Truth, Justice, and the American Way, and is currently tasked with providing it again: absolutely transparent denial.
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MullardEL34 posted:Is this something that happens in a normal, democratic society? This is unfortunately par for the course with the Maduro regime. Amnesty International documented multiple execution style killings by FAES of protesters in January. It is demented beyond belief: quote:In just five days, at least 41 people died during these protests, all of them from gunshot wounds. More than 900 were arbitrarily detained, and just on 23 January (the day that demonstrations were held across the country), 770 arbitrary arrests were reported. The basic gist of it is: if you protest, you risk death. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...nicolas-maduro/ Reuters also did extensive on-the-ground reporting to document what was happening in one of the poorest neighborhoods in Venezuela, an area that was a basis of support for Chavismo: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-police/inside-a-raid-in-maduros-crackdown-on-critics-in-venezuela-slums-idUSKCN1PS07M Depressing stuff. If you do nothing, you risk death due to lack of access to medicine/food/water. If you protest, you risk being shot by his death squads.
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there's another fun bit of sleight of hand here. death squads. scary name, right? what do we mean when we say death squad, though? our friend the freshly reregged interventionist has proclaimed the death of six protesters the work of Maduro death squads. on some level, he is aware: the US' guy on the ground being a veteran employer of death squads is a Bad Look, and so it is necessary to proclaim the sanders-islamofascisists of Maduro's government also have them. but what is a death squad. the name entered the vernacular as a result of the Einsatzgruppen-reservists brought onto the duty of ethnically cleansing civilians. as sensible people, while snuffing out the monsters who did such a thing in Eastern Europe, we tinkered with the model. the best known modern example came under our friend Suharto in Indonesia. they made a movie about it. On Killing. the examination of the men who we charged with going out and killing a bunch of suspected leftists in the name of their regime during the day, and laughed themselves silly watching movies at night. for months. just ordinary right-leaning street toughs, given weapons, a list of targets, and the certain knowledge they'd suffer no punishment by the authorities for what they did. unsurprisingly, they quickly started getting creative. one does not start killing children with sledgehammers until one has gotten bored of doing it a faster way. forty-one protesters were shot by soldiers. this is horrible, and an excellent sign Maduro should go. it does not, no matter how horny you are for Uncle Abrams to get to go to town on some more brown people in your name, rise to "death squad activity."
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Mnoba posted:ya the top one i'm pretty sure was church that turned out a guy that goes there did it before the election They are both confirmed hoaxes.
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Antifa Poltergeist posted:Cuba sucks so much they invented the worlds first lung cancer vaccine, will their perfidious ways ever end without an economic blockade and military invasion?! Having grown up in Florida, Cuban expats and their descendants being forevermad that someone overthrew their US backed dictator, nationalized their sugar plantation, and told them they couldn't have slaves anymore is never going to stop being funny to me. On topic, if by some miracle Guaido is seated how does this not get interpreted as a US backed coup at this point? Also, has he actually expressed any plans that would directly make the lives of the Venezuelan people better? Iron Twinkie fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Mar 3, 2019 |
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Iron Twinkie posted:On topic, if by some miracle Guaido is seated how does this not get interpreted as a US backed coup at this point? Also, has he actually expressed any plans that would directly make the lives of the Venezuelan people better? No, but he's going to make Hard But Necessary choices like privatizing the oil supply and getting rid of the welfare state that's starving the country to death. Then starvation will be because poor venezuelans are slothful and should've gotten a degree in engineering or IT, and not the result of deadly gangster socialism.
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The Russians should have kept their missiles in Cuba. This timeline sucks.
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Iron Twinkie posted:On topic, if by some miracle Guaido is seated how does this not get interpreted as a US backed coup at this point? Also, has he actually expressed any plans that would directly make the lives of the Venezuelan people better? For the umpteenth time, the National Assembly is following the Constitution, and Guaido, as head of the National Assembly, is the correct interim leader. The only coup is Maduro using violence to hang on to power as a dictator. Guaido's job is to call for new elections, which he has done. He has also called for humanitarian aid to alleviate the extreme shortages of basic goods. Maduro denies the vast majority of humanitarian aid (including most Red Cross aid), because he insists that the country does not need humanitarian aid. It is not even clear if Guaido will be a candidate for President in the elections; my educated guess is that he will not be a candidate. Which makes the claims of a "coup" all the more idiotic.
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Private Witt posted:It is not even clear if Guaido will be a candidate for President in the elections; my educated guess is that he will not be a candidate. Which makes the claims of a "coup" all the more idiotic. Nixon was couped.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:there's another fun bit of sleight of hand here. death squads. scary name, right? what do we mean when we say death squad, though? You think that protesters being hunted down and killed after a protest is not the sort of activity that describes a death squad. You are despicable for trying to downplay the killings.
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Pharohman777 posted:You think that protesters being hunted down and killed after a protest is not the sort of activity that describes a death squad. That’s just your average every day in Chicago or St. Louis.
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Pharohman777 posted:You think that protesters being hunted down and killed after a protest is not the sort of activity that describes a death squad. hes regurgitating wikipedia SS articles, hes a garbo person
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Private Witt posted:For the umpteenth time, the National Assembly is following the Constitution, and Guaido, as head of the National Assembly, is the correct interim leader. The only coup is Maduro using violence to hang on to power as a dictator. Did he originally run on that if he was elected, he'll hold another election where you can vote for someone else? That just sounds incredibly off. Edit Did Guaido win the election or did he and his supporters boycott it? I've heard both and those are kind of mutually exclusive. Iron Twinkie fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Mar 3, 2019 |
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Private Witt posted:For the umpteenth time, the National Assembly is following the Constitution, and Guaido, as head of the National Assembly, is the correct interim leader. The only coup is Maduro using violence to hang on to power as a dictator. Are you a Supreme Court justice in Venezuela or do you have a background in Venezuelan law? It seems that the courts disagree with you on your assertion that Guaido is the proper president. Guaido has backed the US withholding hundreds of billions of dollars. How many people will starve because of his desire for power to get his favorite TV show back on the air? The ‘humanitarian’ aid the US is providing looks to be more geared towards civil war then feeding people.
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Presenting Nipples posted:Are you a Supreme Court justice in Venezuela or do you have a background in Venezuelan law? It seems that the courts disagree with you on your assertion that Guaido is the proper president. Did you read the op dude? The Venezuelan court is no longer a legit independent institution after what the PSUV did to it.
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Pharohman777 posted:Did you read the op dude? The Venezuelan court is no longer a legit independent institution after what the PSUV did to it. That’s like claiming the American Supreme Court is no longer a legit institution because the GOP stacked it. I eagerly await D&D liberals asking China to invade and liberate them from the Roberts gangster court.
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Pharohman777 posted:You think that protesters being hunted down and killed after a protest is not the sort of activity that describes a death squad. oh, it's certainly abominable. by the standard set by the US Special Envoy to Venezuela, who proclaimed "there were only 300 people in the village, how could we have killed 800, surely this is just propaganda to slander our good friends abroad?" doesn't even rise to the level of commentworthy. but hey, look on the bright side. if the dreamed-of civil war comes to pass, we can start showing those commies how it's done.
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Wait I’m curious, why does anyone think the US will invade Venezuela imminently? Like, they couldn’t do it today, they can’t do it tomorrow. It’s not the internet, you need actual physical people with guns, armoured vehicles, supply lines, airbases and so on. None of those things exist in the right places for the US to attack Venezuela right now. Three months from now as a guess is the earliest it could be managed and there are no signs of the actual, real, physical things that would need to happen now for the US to invade 3 months from now happening. Brazil, for example, told them to gently caress off when it even sounded like an invasion was really coming. So all the threats from the US have to be understood as just that: threats. It’s the alternative to talks intended to get Maduro to realise that talks are a better option. The scarier and more realistic looking US intervention is (to Maduro and his allies), the better the chance of getting him to do what the US military industrial complex actually wants, which is almost certainly to run Venezuela as a reliable oil producing country. I don’t for a moment think this is an humanitarian intervention; it’s the US wanting one of the world’s biggest oil producers to stop being a basket case. That’s enough of a motivation on its own, you don’t need to make up invasion fantasies. If Saudi oil production plummeted from mismanagement, it would be the same story. The only way all this ends well is Maduro stepping down. If he doesn’t, one of two very bad things happens: the US backs down because they actually aren’t in a position to invade, or the US really does take some military action (probably to avoid being embarrassed after making threats) and everyone suffers. E: to be clear, the reason the US backing down is very bad is that Maduro gets a free pass to run dictator 2: dictate harder once the prospect of foreign intervention is gone. Beefeater1980 fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Mar 3, 2019 |
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Beefeater1980 posted:Wait I’m curious, why does anyone think the US will invade Venezuela imminently? Beefeater1980 posted:The only way all this ends well is Maduro stepping down. If he doesn’t, one of two very bad things happens: the US backs down because they actually aren’t in a position to invade, or the US really does take some military action (probably to avoid being embarrassed after making threats) and everyone suffers. You seem to have answered your own question there chief.
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Beefeater1980 posted:Wait I’m curious, why does anyone think the US will invade Venezuela imminently? that was the hoped-for reaction about a month ago, yes. then it rapidly became clear that the opposition's hoped-for popular rebellion in the streets was absolutely not in the cards. whether through fear of Maduro, distrust of Guaido, or just general lack of ability to get their message out, the people did not arise with one voice and say "yeah, we're with this guy." as such, now, we have implemented brutal sanctions on starving people, because we care so deeply, about them starving, and we have said we were going to send them some aid trucks which we then proceeded to set on fire. this has not done much. the traditional playbook here needs some proxies to do most of the actual fighting with the crippled subject nation, with a couple thousand US Advisors to "coordinate operations." unfortunately for our goals here, neither Colombia or Brazil has the capability to do so even if they had the will. so, as of now, we have settled into a nice siege and are hoping like hell enough of the military defect that we can launch a successful civil war program. as a few of our trump-loving friends in-thread can attest, "Build The Wall" and "We Need To Go Send Our Boys To Die For Their Freedoms" play together poorly in the current conservative base, and so the usual suspects are being gratifyingly gun-shy about directly ripping the country in half to drink its blood.
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