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kingturnip posted:It's also well known that Tory disciplinary procedures have been poo poo for decades. See: suspending people for being racist fucks and then reinstating them the next day when it turns out their support is needed. Yes, but I thought it was pretty damned obvious that Labour wanted to be a party of government, rather than an inbred gaggle of pigfuckers. Knowing how to properly steer and use your gigantic membership is part of that.
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feedmegin posted:Didn't Labour just win a number of seats in Scotland in that same election? Labour are absolutely turbo hosed in Scotland. Its fair to say there's no real left wing party in Scotland now. We have right wing tories and centre left snp and then minority parties. The 2017 election showed that the shift in support wasn't just a fluke in the Holyrood elections. I agree with Coohilon though, Labour need to stop talking Indy and get rid of Lenord.
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Aramoro posted:Where you move the needle to depends on the votes it gets you. Yeah maybe they lose you but pick up 2 people somewhere else, then it's worth it. That's obviously far too simplistic but you get the idea. Right now Labour seem focused on pleasing their Momentum base but they are mostly in solid Labour seats so it doesn't really matter. Yeah but if they pick up 2 people somewhere else and either 1) Its not enough to win 2) They win and then do gently caress all for our dying shithole of a country then I feel perfectly fine pointing out that they can shove pinecones up their assholes, unlubed.
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kingturnip posted:It's also well known that Tory disciplinary procedures have been poo poo for decades. See: suspending people for being racist fucks and then reinstating them the next day when it turns out their support is needed. Like someone already said, we police our own movement. I know a lot of people think it's this: brian posted:"WE SHOULD BE TOUGH OF ANTISEMITISM SO THEY CAN'T GET US LIKE THIS BECAUSE OF ONE BAD APPLE" But it's not about getting tough on racism to win over the media, it's about getting tough on racism because we're anti-racist.
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Darth Walrus posted:Yeah, it's well known that Labour disciplinary procedures have been poo poo for decades. Forget the media, just think of this as a pressing reason to install a functional system that can handle a proper mass movement. It really is loving weird how Iain McNicol gets of scot free considering he was in charge of the system that generated years of backlogs.
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Prediction: The moment the disciplinary procedure gets sorted out and the first person is suspended for anything other than antisemitism, the same people on Labour's arse about antisemitism will be branding us as the "politically correct" iron fist party of censorship and oppression.
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Aramoro posted:Its fair to say there's no real left wing party in Scotland now. somewhere patrick harvie is crying maggie chapman is also co-crying but nobody is paying her any attention
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Azza Bamboo posted:Prediction: The moment the disciplinary procedure gets sorted out and the first person is suspended for anything other than antisemitism, the same people on Labour's arse about antisemitism will be branding us as the "politically correct" iron fist party of censorship and oppression. 
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Julio Cruz posted:good to see "scroungers on disability have it too good" is still a thing even among the upper classes I also like the "I want to give her dinner and invite mutual friends she would love to see" aside from the horrid attitude of "poor thing i'll look after you", this person clearly thinks she can't afford to eat or meet people but nevertheless expects her to fork out for the taxi Also what kind of friend are you if you don't even know why they're claiming benefits and your only thought is "but you look fine!!!"
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Azza Bamboo posted:Prediction: The moment the disciplinary procedure gets sorted out and the first person is suspended for anything other than antisemitism, the same people on Labour's arse about antisemitism will be branding us as the "politically correct" iron fist party of censorship and oppression. :rachelrileysay:
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Akala incredibly articulate re knife crime on Channel 4 news tonight. About 10 mins in. Really worth watching. Spoiler - the issue is not black people buying drugs.
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Borrovan posted:Nah, it'll be fine. Just as long as we don't do anything ~crazy~ like criticise people who think "gas the jews lol" is just mad bantz That was ages ago. She defends Nick Griffin now.
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Azza Bamboo posted:Prediction: The moment the disciplinary procedure gets sorted out and the first person is suspended for anything other than antisemitism, the same people on Labour's arse about antisemitism will be branding us as the "politically correct" iron fist party of censorship and oppression. I mean before the AS thing got really rolling enough for every complaint to be linked back to it in some way they were absolutely going for this. They just moved from "left wing thugs!" to "left wing antisemite thugs!"
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Looks familiar? "Democratic moderates are beginning to push back against the wave of liberal energy and shoot-the-moon policy ideas that have captured the party’s imagination over the past two months." https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/centrist-democrats-push-back-against-partys-liberal-surge/ar-BBUgNNC quote:From the halls of Congress to the presidential campaign trail, Democratic moderates are beginning to push back against the wave of liberal energy and shoot-the-moon policy ideas that have captured the party’s imagination over the past two months.
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The twelve dimensional chess move that the Democrats should use if they want to re-take the White House is to nominate Trump in their primary. That way they'll capture the ellusive Republican voter that they're desperate to win over, but he'll also be a Democrat so they can pretend that he cares about people.
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Aramoro posted:Where you move the needle to depends on the votes it gets you. Yeah maybe they lose you but pick up 2 people somewhere else, then it's worth it. That's obviously far too simplistic but you get the idea. Right now Labour seem focused on pleasing their Momentum base but they are mostly in solid Labour seats so it doesn't really matter. If you want to to go with that analogy, they moved the needle left in the last election and took out May's majority, even though all the expert needle-turners up and down the country predicted that Corbyn was turning it too far. It turns out that if you have a model that predicts disaffected young voters don't vote, and then you stop listening to them because you think their votes aren't worth as much, then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Momentum isn't being pandered to, it's just a very effective way for like-minded leftist members to make their voice heard when it comes to the decision making process, precisely because that process has been opened up more to the membership. I do think Scottish Labour have a serious problem with this type of triangulation though. Just anecdotally there doesn't seem to be anywhere near the same level of engagement that Momentum has in England, and the SLab leadership as a result is trying desperately to spin the policy dials the right way while leaving the SNP BAD and NO INDYREF knobs at max and wondering why nothing seems to have any effect. I think they are hosed but mostly just because everyone with any sort of influence in Scottish Labour is dead set on fighting the same battle with the SNP in the exact same way they've been losing it for the last decade.
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something snuck in right at the end of this article https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47441442 quote:One area of inquiry will be the activities of the Paedophile Information Exchange, a campaign group which pushed for sex with children to be legal. There are allegations it had access to Home Office funding. somehow I've missed that. anyone know what the gently caress that's about?
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Cerv posted:something snuck in right at the end of this article I remember hearing about it years ago & thinking wft then, I assumed it was some random group of nutcases, I had no idea they got funded..... WTF!! indeed...
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Cerv posted:something snuck in right at the end of this article Another day living on the British Paedo-Isles
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Looks familiar? very familiar https://twitter.com/politico/status/1102646623019114496
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Trainee PornStar posted:I remember hearing about it years ago & thinking wft then, I assumed it was some random group of nutcases, I had no idea they got funded..... WTF!! indeed... 
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Guavanaut posted:Well, there were MPs involved as members no more explanation needed :P
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mehall posted:E; poo poo. This is scary. I had my 29th birthday in 1989, had done a degree, a masters, a couple of postgrad diplomas and was just starting my fourth career......
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Cerv posted:something snuck in right at the end of this article Yes back in the mists of time (70s-early 80s), Harriet Harman and others had connections to this group mostly through the National Council for Civil Liberties. But read all about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paedophile_Information_Exchange
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:This is scary. I had my 29th birthday in 1989, had done a degree, a masters, a couple of postgrad diplomas and was just starting my fourth career...... get a load of this boomer and all their free education and their jobs [flag-cryingmillennial.gif] actually i looked it up and i think that makes you gen-x, not boomer... very rude of me
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painted into a coroner posted:Apparently they lost a seat in the most recent elections. lol it's just today been been edited by a clear indiehead, check his other "contributions" to wikipedia
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painted into a coroner posted:Apparently they lost a seat in the most recent elections. Vandalised articles aren't unordinary but lol that nobody has bothered to fix this in however many hours it's been
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:get a load of this boomer and all their free education Yeah but I've got flat screen TVs and star bucks
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LONDON — Everything you need to know about the British Labour Party is contained in the fact that Luciana Berger is no longer a member and Alex Scott-Samuel is. Two weeks ago Berger, a member of parliament, shocked the nation when she announced her departure from the country’s official opposition. The great niece of a postwar-era Labour government minister, Berger joined the party at age 15 and was parliamentary chair of the Jewish Labour Movement. Standing at a lectern with several other former Labour MPs, she announced the formation of a new caucus called the Independent Group, established for those disaffected with the growing extremism of the country’s two major political parties. Labour, she said, had become “sickeningly, institutionally racist” under the tenure of its leader, Jeremy Corbyn. Specifically, it was anti-Semitism that drove Berger out. Last April, speaking in the House of Commons, Berger joined several other Jewish female Labour MPs in reading aloud some of the hateful anti-Semitic invective hurled at them by Corbyn’s supporters. Berger’s courage in speaking out only elicited more attacks, however, such that she required bodyguards at her own party conference later that year. Now consider the fate of Scott-Samuel, chairman of the local Labour association in Berger’s constituency of Liverpool. Scott-Samuel has made repeated appearances on an Internet television show broadcast by conspiracy theorist and Holocaust denier David Icke (recently denied a visa to Australia), on which Scott-Samuel has claimed that “the Rothschild family are behind a lot of the neoliberal influence in the U.K. and the U.S.” Naturally a fervent Corbyn supporter, Scott-Samuel has been a major antagonist of Berger ever since she began speaking out about the anti-Semitism, bullying and misogyny that has characterized the party ever since the hard-left backbencher unexpectedly won the party leadership more than three years ago. “Until Jeremy Corbyn became its leader in September 2015, Labour did not have a problem with anti-Jewish racism,” Joan Ryan, who followed Berger in leaving the party, wrote recently. “Today, it is institutionally anti-Semitic” and “poses a danger to the cohesion of our society, the safety of our citizens, and the health of our democracy.” Mike Gapes, another former Labour MP, declared the party of which he had been a member for five decades “Unfit for government. And a Threat to national security.” Corbyn is indeed unfit to be leader of the Labour Party, much less one of Europe’s largest military powers. He is a man who considers Hamas and Hezbollah “friends,” defended a luridly anti-Semitic mural in East London, and laid a wreath at the gravesite of participants in the massacre of Israeli athletes at the 1972 Munich Olympics. For these reasons and many, many more, more than 85 percentof British Jews consider Corbyn to be an anti-Semite; almost 40 percent say they would “seriously consider” leaving the country were he to be elected prime minister. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/03/04/jeremy-corbyn-is-thoroughly-indecent/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.38d431ded176
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Tesseraction posted:lol it's just today been been edited by a clear indiehead, check his other "contributions" to wikipedia The latest edit I see is from back in February. Can you link the profile? I figured it was an act of vandalism, being uncited and all. Surprised its still there!
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:get a load of this boomer and all their free education I managed to graduate in the year there were zero jobs for graduates (unless you wanted to blow people up for a living - the only thing that was recruiting was the weapons/attack industry - laughingly known as 'defence'. ) in the careers office at uni there were just rows and rows of empty folders and the 500 top graduates in the country recruited by IBM were all sacked before they started work. My 'careers' all started at the bottom, I worked my way up from the bottom on several occasions. But yes, had it not been for free uni, I would never have been able to go and I deeply appreciate it - my folks insisted on living in the countryside where there were (and still are) b*gr all jobs and were of the 'intellectual and penniless' class. I did personally pay for all my post-grads until I did my PhD which I got a research grant for. Mind you, some of the places I lived - at one time 7 of us in the top 2 floors of a terraced house with literally maggoty carpets and a 'kitchen' consisting of a sink on the landing and cooker and fridge in the living room and fighting over the phone bills. Youngsters today with their fancy ideas of their own tvs, personal phones, health and safety regs don't know they're born. And will you pesky kids get off of my lawn.... Ed: and yes, depending where you look I'm either a late boomer or an early gen xer.
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painted into a coroner posted:The latest edit I see is from back in February. Can you link the profile? This guy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dave230983
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I guess people really don't care about Scottish politicians on wikipedia? Guy changed the title of the leader of the Scottish LibDems to "Branch Manager of the Scottish Liberal Democrats" and its been sitting there for two days! When I was 14 and trying to vandalise my no-name village's page it was edited back within 5 minutes.
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nothing to do with uk, but lol https://twitter.com/CraniumApparel/status/1101830061055860741 https://twitter.com/CraniumApparel/status/1102432719919755265
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We respect you. But not enough to actually talk to you.
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Aramoro posted:Labour are absolutely turbo hosed in Scotland. Its fair to say there's no real left wing party in Scotland now. We have right wing tories and centre left snp and then minority parties. The 2017 election showed that the shift in support wasn't just a fluke in the Holyrood elections. I don't see how the damage can be reversed. Every leftist in Scotland went indy because why not? If it worked they'd be free of right wing England. Only it didn't work. So now every leftist is also now a Scottish nationalist and it's hard to reverse that decision. Who exactly is there to vote for Scottish Labour?
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