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brucio posted:So.. what's the LPC constitution say about replacing a party leader? Caucus can't do it, can they? Pinterest Mom posted:I think this is especially pronounced in the LPC at the moment - after Trudeau became PM, he moved very briskly to consolidate power within the party and overhauled the party constitution to effectively abolish decision making authority in the party outside the leader's office, so it's not super clear what it means to be a Liberal without supporting the leader. Since the 2016 changes, there is no mechanism in the LPC constitution for replacing the leader if the leader is Prime Minister. Caucus can't do it, the national executive can't do it, the leader isn't subject to a confidence vote at convention. Presumably there's some threshold of caucus revolt that would convince a leader to resign - presumably JT would rather resign than face, say, losing a VONC in the House, but no way to force him out via the rules.
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Helsing posted:The worst part is that expectations for Jagmeet are now set so low that it should be comparatively easy for him to eke out a better than expected showing in the next election, which would make it way harder to kick him out afterward. Just like how we should all be extremely pissed at Horwath for losing the election but instead we're stuck with her as leader for at least one more cycle even though she's terrible and blew the best chance she'll ever get at winning. theres a real opportunity here with the conservative vote getting split with bernier's fascists, but the ndp is somehow going to gently caress it up
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I feel like getting rid of JT now would make a bad situation worse for the libs. but I'm no expert
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Mar 4, 2019 23:36
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apparently that guy's career before politics was in public relations? lmao
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THC posted:I feel like getting rid of JT now would make a bad situation worse for the libs. but I'm no expert Situation is going to get worse either way. Trudeau might be able to survive with a mea culpa and a few more scapegoats but this poo poo: isn't going to staunch the bleeding.
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Who would even replace Trudeau at this point? Freeland seems like an obvious choice and I think she can win... who else could take over?
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EngineerJoe posted:Who would even replace Trudeau at this point? Freeland seems like an obvious choice and I think she can win... who else could take over? I want it to be a true fairy-tale story. I want it to be Wilson-Raybould.
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A female indigenous prime minister would be a hell of a (good) thing.
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So were not getting an election until like november right?
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Helsing posted:The worst part is that expectations for Jagmeet are now set so low that it should be comparatively easy for him to eke out a better than expected showing in the next election, which would make it way harder to kick him out afterward. Just like how we should all be extremely pissed at Horwath for losing the election but instead we're stuck with her as leader for at least one more cycle even though she's terrible and blew the best chance she'll ever get at winning. Horwatch actually ran an OK campaign this time around. I'm still annoyed about the way she ran things the election before last, but Wynne was way more of a villain in the last election.
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The Dark One posted:Horwatch actually ran an OK campaign this time around. I'm still annoyed about the way she ran things the election before last, but Wynne was way more of a villain in the last election. Yeah the most recent election was the provincial Liberal party proving they would rather help elect right wing fascists by spending their entire election campaign attacking the NDP and not the Cons.
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The Dark One posted:Horwatch actually ran an OK campaign this time around. I'm still annoyed about the way she ran things the election before last, but Wynne was way more of a villain in the last election. We're one day from her decade anniversary as leader. Somebody should order her a congrats Horwatch cake.
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Furnaceface posted:Yeah the most recent election was the provincial Liberal party proving they would rather help elect right wing fascists by spending their entire election campaign attacking the NDP and not the Cons. In fairness, they were spectacularly successful. They managed to avoid their worst fears, an NDP majority.
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Mar 5, 2019 01:58
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The Dark One posted:Horwatch actually ran an OK campaign this time around. she still pulled punches and was way too nice to Ford, at one point he said something like he was "afraid" of a possible NDP government and her response was like "no, nothing to fear, we're all about hope love and courage here" should have been "yes Doug Ford you should be afraid, very afraid you loving daddy's-boy gangster thug" Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 02:24 on Mar 5, 2019 |
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Mar 5, 2019 01:59
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Postess with the Mostest posted:We're one day from her decade anniversary as leader. Somebody should order her a congrats Horwatch cake. She is by far the most successful ONDP leader since Bob Rae!* *More successful if you look at total votes cast
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Mar 5, 2019 02:00
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Im really starting to dislike Singh, doesn't he realize the importance of tweeting
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Mar 5, 2019 02:19
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Trudeau's speaking in Toronto and it was a little chaotic, a few people tried to rush the stage
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EngineerJoe posted:Trudeau's speaking in Toronto and it was a little chaotic, a few people tried to rush the stage For real? gently caress I missed it
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:For real? gently caress I missed it It's hard to tell what was going on, I don't think you missed much really...
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I heard a report that animal rights activists were disrupting things? Bit disappointing if that's true, I was hoping for something more... relevant?
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Blood Boils posted:Im really starting to dislike Singh, doesn't he realize the importance of tweeting I don't know if this is ironic or not but for a party leader he does not get online or in front of cameras nearly as quickly and as often as he should. And when he does he never delivers anything with much bite.
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Blood Boils posted:Im really starting to dislike Singh, doesn't he realize the importance of tweeting This but unironically. AOC has energized the American left by being extremely online and she doesn't even need to fundraise all she needs to do is keep tweeting
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Mar 5, 2019 04:59
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Eej posted:This but unironically. AOC has energized the American left by being extremely online and she doesn't even need to fundraise all she needs to do is keep tweeting This means we'll get our very own extremely online left politician in 3-5 years, can't wait!
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Mar 5, 2019 05:01
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Gorewar posted:This means we'll get our very own extremely online left politician in 3-5 years, can't wait! Canadian Twitch gamer Shroud will return home to run for office!
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Mar 5, 2019 05:03
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Unfortunately for Jagmeet, he had the best snapchat game in Canadian politics.
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Mar 5, 2019 05:13
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Le Saboteur posted:I don't know if this is ironic or not but for a party leader he does not get online or in front of cameras nearly as quickly and as often as he should. And when he does he never delivers anything with much bite. Only going to get worse now that he regrettably has an actual job Niki would have won
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Mar 5, 2019 05:51
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Mameluke posted:Only going to get worse now that he regrettably has an actual job I believe my ranked ballet in the leadership race was Charlie, Niki, Guy, Jagmeet so yeah I would have been good with Charlie or Niki.
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Le Saboteur posted:I believe my ranked ballet in the leadership race was Charlie, Niki, Guy, Jagmeet so yeah I would have been good with Charlie or Niki. 
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Le Saboteur posted:I believe my ranked ballet in the leadership race was Charlie, Niki, Guy, Jagmeet so yeah I would have been good with Charlie or Niki. Nikki, Charlie, Guy, Jagmeet here. Charlie or Nikki both seemed true to the left base. Though really I want PM Saganash.
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See, almost every party member I spoke to had Jagmeet around dead last on their ranked ballot so I still am baffled how he won at such a high margin.
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Y'all are a bunch of commie weirdos and the true NDP base is basically centrist as heck? Alternatively, IRV favours moderate centrists. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 06:20 on Mar 5, 2019 |
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You gotta squint pretty hard to imagine Angus or Ashton as the next Sanders/Corbyn/AOC, their hearts are in the right place but they've been playing ball with the party for so long they couldn't muster up a real counter narrative when Singh arrived to take back the party for the moderates (from the moderates).
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Le Saboteur posted:See, almost every party member I spoke to had Jagmeet around dead last on their ranked ballot so I still am baffled how he won at such a high margin. Charlie, Jagmeet, Guy, Nikki - Boobgate and "gendered lens" bullshit really pissed me off. And then she stood her ground on the Palestine issue. I feel like such a chump now.
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Le Saboteur posted:See, almost every party member I spoke to had Jagmeet around dead last on their ranked ballot so I still am baffled how he won at such a high margin. Jagmeet signed up a bunch of members who did nothing in the party except vote for him and then hosed off. So all the party faithful (and even the critics who have nowhere else to go) are now stuck with him despite most not actually supporting him.
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https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/council-approves-funding-structure-for-1-5-billion-in-long-term-projects-including-events-centre-1.4321425 I thought this got axed in a vote?
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thehoodie posted:Jagmeet signed up a bunch of members who did nothing in the party except vote for him and then hosed off. So all the party faithful (and even the critics who have nowhere else to go) are now stuck with him despite most not actually supporting him. Singh had the most caucus support during the campaign (eg. Cullen, Kennedy Stewart, Jenny Kwan). He was particularly strong in support amongst MPs in Vancouver and Toronto, and had the most urban focused agenda, which is probably why he won.
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Le Saboteur posted:I believe my ranked ballet in the leadership race was Charlie, Niki, Guy, Jagmeet so yeah I would have been good with Charlie or Niki. Oh god now I'm picturing them all in tights.
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Lobok posted:Oh god now I'm picturing them all in tights. .... Big Changus
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...Meanwhile in Ontario https://twitter.com/robertbenzie/status/1102633020803244032 I'd like to think this would be getting more coverage if the Liberals weren't busy melting down over SNC Lavalin, but probably not.
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