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mila kunis posted:One of the 'reforms' he wanted was the privatization of social security and GOP racism and intransigence blocked that. Obama was a such a piece of trash lol Do you have a source for this? The closest thing I'm finding is him offering to cut social security by changing the way cost-of-living adjustments are calculated.
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VikingofRock posted:Do you have a source for this? The closest thing I'm finding is him offering to cut social security by changing the way cost-of-living adjustments are calculated. It was more than just that Washington Post posted:A lot of red ink, the Republicans thought. But the major elements of a bargain seemed to be falling into place: $1.2 trillion in agency cuts, smaller cost-of-living increases for Social Security recipients, nearly $250 billion in Medicare savings achieved in part by raising the eligibility age. And $800 billion in new taxes. It was a bullshit deal that would have gotten us gently caress all in return for large cuts and loving over the elderly. Giving up over $1.5 trillion for $0.8 trillion in "tax cuts" is the type of deal Donny would negotiate.
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Gyges posted:It was more than just that Wait, wait, Obama was willing to touch the Third Rail AND cut more than a TRILLION from that Big Government the GOP hates so much in exchange for a tax increase, and Boehner tried to strong arm him and turn the tax increase into a GOP tax policy grab-bag including tax CUTS? Like, you're saying this is a deal Donny would negotiate, but think about the fact that Obama went to the GOP and said "If you raise taxes I will give you these two gigantic things that you want," and the GOP's response was "Ok, but what if instead you give us those two giant things we want, and then we will LOWER taxes and also enact even more trickle-down theory bullshit into the tax code." Like, that could not be more strait out of the Trump playbook. What the hell did Obama want that 800 billion for? Because I can think of a list of a few things where if they could get funded, especially through increased taxes on the rich which is a fundamental policy good given wealth concentration is a problem in-and-of-itself, I would not be shedding too many tears for the poor old people. Frankly, people age 0-45 need a hell of a lot more help than the boomer and early gen-x fuckers who would be inconvenienced by having to wait a couple extra years for medicare. Sanguinia fucked around with this message at 09:41 on Mar 2, 2019 |
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He wanted it for deficit reduction lol Also the tax hikes would obviously have been reversed by the next Republican administion while the Medicare/SS cuts would be forever
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VitalSigns posted:He wanted it for deficit reduction lol How are the Democrats this loving dumb?
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Pope Guilty posted:How are the Democrats this loving dumb? They're not dumb they just more or less agree with the Republicans on a lot of stuff. The Hill, Obama says he'd be seen as moderate Republican in 1980s posted:President Obama said his economic policies are "so mainstream" he'd be considered a moderate Republican in the 1980s. New York Times, In Their Own Words: Obama on Reagan posted:“I don’t want to present myself as some sort of singular figure. I think part of what’s different are the times. I do think that, for example, the 1980 election was different. I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that, you know, Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. How mysterious that a guy who self describes himself as having the politics of a Reagan Republican would want to continue the Reagan legacy of taking security away from working people and handing more tax cuts to the job creators.
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Helsing posted:They're not dumb they just more or less agree with the Republicans on a lot of stuff. Seriously gently caress Obama, his policies were piles of poo poo that Republicans would've loved if they were coming from some white milquetoast ivy league shitstain. Him and the rest of the centrist succdems can burn, I'm never voting for any of them again, even if that means Trump or other Republicans win because the difference is so minute what's the difference?
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mycomancy posted:Seriously gently caress Obama, his policies were piles of poo poo that Republicans would've loved if they were coming from some white milquetoast ivy league shitstain. Him and the rest of the centrist succdems can burn, I'm never voting for any of them again, even if that means Trump or other Republicans win because the difference is so minute what's the difference? And now cue someone coming in to rant at you for personally appointing the next alt-right president, because clearly an individual voter has more responsibility for this situation than Democratic party leaders.
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mycomancy posted:Seriously gently caress Obama, his policies were piles of poo poo that Republicans would've loved if they were coming from some white milquetoast ivy league shitstain. Him and the rest of the centrist succdems can burn, I'm never voting for any of them again, even if that means Trump or other Republicans win because the difference is so minute what's the difference? I mean, there's other things besides economic policy that differ between them, but you do you.
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mycomancy posted:the difference is so minute what's the difference? The Cohen hearing would not have happened without enough succdems to help control the gavel.
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PerniciousKnid posted:The Cohen hearing would not have happened without enough succdems to help control the gavel. Oh no, what would my life be like were it not for the Cohen hearing.
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Verus posted:And now cue someone coming in to rant at you for personally appointing the next alt-right president, because clearly an individual voter has more responsibility for this situation than Democratic party leaders. Yeah, it’s loving awesome to have enough privilege not to have to worry is another Trump is elected. Maybe deal with your lovely views instead of rhetorically poisoning the well.
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Solkanar512 posted:Yeah, it’s loving awesome to have enough privilege not to have to worry is another Trump is elected. This is what I mean. I voted for Hillary. I voted for loving Bob Menendez. If someone has the honesty to come in here and tell us why the actions, policies, and beliefs of democratic leaders have demotivated them from voting, then maybe that's a problem that extends beyond a single voter. edit2 no need for that
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Lotta flaming-hot takes here, in the news thread, meant to post / discuss news. Content: more capitulation... TO the North Koreans. https://www.dw.com/en/us-and-south-korea-to-scrap-major-military-exercises-in-spring/a-47748887
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Mar 2, 2019 18:37
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Hi you guys can make a thread about ethics in participating in electoralism and gently caress off from this thread, thanks.
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Mar 2, 2019 18:56
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To clarify for those who don’t know, they tried to cut the pay of the workers from minimum wage to 4/hr + tips.
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loving lol. Like people tip fast food staff. Imagine being that one guy at work nobody likes, and thus you're the only one to show up that day because nobody told you. I'd probably see that and then walk off without telling my boss.
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Lol. That would seem to bode ill for Trump, but who knows in this hell world. https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1102909134415036417
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Charlz Guybon posted:Lol. That would seem to bode ill for Trump, but who knows in this hell world. I don't know much about the man but I can always respect a good mustache. Good for them for having the balls to tell management to go gently caress off for cutting their pay like that.
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Mar 5, 2019 14:25
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Considering they just went on strike I wonder how many of them would recoil if you asked them to join a union.
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Lightning Knight posted:To clarify for those who don’t know, they tried to cut the pay of the workers from minimum wage to 4/hr + tips. They still have to pay minimum wage if tips don’t close the gap iirc but it’s a paperwork nightmare.
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HootTheOwl posted:Considering they just went on strike I wonder how many of them would recoil if you asked them to join a union. I mean, it wasn't a strike. It was everyone flat out quitting and leaving for greener pastures. A strike would imply some care about staying there.
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Snacksmaniac posted:They still have to pay minimum wage if tips don’t close the gap iirc but it’s a paperwork nightmare. Only if the employees accurately report that their tips didn't get them up to minimum wage, which by the way reporting that gets you fired for "underperformance" VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Mar 5, 2019 |
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VitalSigns posted:Only if the employees accurately report that their tips didn't get them up to minimum wage, which by the way reporting that gets you fired for "underperformance" So, I did some digging on this, it was a franchise that was sold to another franchisee. They didn't just cut people down to 4+tips (lol tips at sonic) but they also just flat out fired some veteran staff who'd earned some raises after 9 years with the company. Turns out loving up so bad that 3 stores close and you end up on the news is in some violation of the franchise agreement, because of the 12 stores owned by that group, 2 are closing and the rest are being sold to a larger, longer running franchisee at the direction of Sonic Corporate. All positions are being re-offered at their previous pay rate. They're still an american business so I won't be surprised if they don't end up loving these guys over a little, but Sonic Corp does not appreciate this kind of advertising.
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My experience from my time as a manager / operations guy at a service industry job (though not in food thank god) was that the owner of the company was more or less incapable of appreciating that maybe paying slightly better wages and giving a bit more job security to workers would actually improve the organization's performance. Also the longer you're in a management role in that environment the more you're drawn to the dark side. Employee retention and having workers who are confident in their jobs and know they are valuable to the company can create a situation where people might want a bit more money or some control over their schedules. I realized by the time I quit that for management it was actually better to have a really demotivated and temporary workforce with low job security because it meant people wouldn't fight back when you gave them poo poo jobs. So while the organization as a whole was made less efficient it was clear that the day to day operations of the company proceeded much more smoothly with a demoralized and broken work force. Not to mention that everyone else in the office had more or less open contempt for the workers in the field. Meanwhile the owner was a relatively young guy who seemed to only think of business in terms of cost reduction. He'd regularly complain about struggling to fill positions or retain people but didn't accept that solving this problem might entail making the job more attractive. I think in his mind he really genuinely just thought it was a personal failing of everyone around him that they wouldn't work harder for less money. He certainly didn't seem to realize that he actively harming the efficiency of the organization through his management policies and that he was coasting off the accumulated successes of the older owner. What I'm saying here is smash capitalism.
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FoolyCharged posted:I mean, it wasn't a strike. It was everyone flat out quitting and leaving for greener pastures. A strike would imply some care about staying there. I mean, collectively withholding labor as a protest over current conditions is pretty strike-ajacent even if it's not the technical definition of striking
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HootTheOwl posted:I mean, collectively withholding labor as a protest over current conditions is pretty strike-ajacent even if it's not the technical definition of striking Generally speaking, people who go on strike want to improve their current job conditions. Quitting en masse won't accomplish this for obvious reasons, so it's a different thing even if the underlying cause (unacceptable working conditions) is the same.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Generally speaking, people who go on strike want to improve their current job conditions. Quitting en masse won't accomplish this for obvious reasons, so it's a different thing even if the underlying cause (unacceptable working conditions) is the same. On the other hand, the other poster said that they were all re-offered their jobs and the things they wanted changed were changed so maybe the obviousness of quitting en masse not accomplishing it is lost on me.
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Some people will need to be more careful about crossing the road than others soon... https://twitter.com/voxdotcom/status/1103027435354894337
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Rigel posted:Some people will need to be more careful about crossing the road than others soon... Wait, are we in an episode of Better Off Ted?
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Dirt Road Junglist posted:Wait, are we in an episode of Better Off Ted? Yes. Perpetually. For years on end.
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Rigel posted:Some people will need to be more careful about crossing the road than others soon... I'll repeat myself from USPol but literally all this study says is, if you train your machine vision on detecting white pedestrians, it will be better at detecting white pedestrians than non-white ones. No poo poo. But there's no claim that any actual self-driving cars have been trained in this way.
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Dirt Road Junglist posted:Wait, are we in an episode of Better Off Ted? Food. Yum. Akumu posted:I'll repeat myself from USPol but literally all this study says is, if you train your machine vision on detecting white pedestrians, it will be better at detecting white pedestrians than non-white ones. No poo poo. But there's no claim that any actual self-driving cars have been trained in this way. I'll bet Tesla has, and entirely by accident at that.
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Akumu posted:I'll repeat myself from USPol but literally all this study says is, if you train your machine vision on detecting white pedestrians, it will be better at detecting white pedestrians than non-white ones. No poo poo. But there's no claim that any actual self-driving cars have been trained in this way. The thing is, that happens with other face/person detecting tech. A lot. Like, machines not recognizing black people is something I've seen quite a few times, in things from video games to automatic hand soap dispensers, so Tesla pulling the same thing would not surprise me at all.
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For context: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqG1fX3ZaLQ It's too fuckin real.
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