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Violator
May 15, 2003


It’d be nice if you could setup simulated live streams in Plex. So you could make your own channels that you could tune into and content would always be playing. Like how in Shudder or WWE Network you can watch their live stream or pick stuff on-demand.

Like make different channels for genres, or decades, or whatever you want. Or make a channel that shows cartoons from your childhood on Saturday mornings. Whatever you want. They’d be constantly playing stuff.

It wouldn’t have to be transcoding all of the time, but it could be keeping track of what’s supposed to be playing and if you start watching a channel it could start transcoding and playing the media in progress at the appropriate spot.

It’s the old problem of trying to pick what to watch. If I started Plex and saw Tremors or Die Hard with a Vengeance playing, I’d start watching in heartbeat even if I wouldn’t have picked those from a grid of movie posters at that moment.

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teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

Violator posted:

It’d be nice if you could setup simulated live streams in Plex. So you could make your own channels that you could tune into and content would always be playing. Like how in Shudder or WWE Network you can watch their live stream or pick stuff on-demand.

Like make different channels for genres, or decades, or whatever you want. Or make a channel that shows cartoons from your childhood on Saturday mornings. Whatever you want. They’d be constantly playing stuff.

It wouldn’t have to be transcoding all of the time, but it could be keeping track of what’s supposed to be playing and if you start watching a channel it could start transcoding and playing the media in progress at the appropriate spot.

It’s the old problem of trying to pick what to watch. If I started Plex and saw Tremors or Die Hard with a Vengeance playing, I’d start watching in heartbeat even if I wouldn’t have picked those from a grid of movie posters at that moment.

Hard agree with all of this. The closest you can get to replicating this with Plex is by selecting whatever library and hitting the shuffle button to get a randomly generated playlist of content that starts playing and you can skip forward to switch to something else in that playlist to simulate channel surfing.

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007



Violator posted:

It’d be nice if you could setup simulated live streams in Plex. So you could make your own channels that you could tune into and content would always be playing. Like how in Shudder or WWE Network you can watch their live stream or pick stuff on-demand.

Like make different channels for genres, or decades, or whatever you want. Or make a channel that shows cartoons from your childhood on Saturday mornings. Whatever you want. They’d be constantly playing stuff.

It wouldn’t have to be transcoding all of the time, but it could be keeping track of what’s supposed to be playing and if you start watching a channel it could start transcoding and playing the media in progress at the appropriate spot.

It’s the old problem of trying to pick what to watch. If I started Plex and saw Tremors or Die Hard with a Vengeance playing, I’d start watching in heartbeat even if I wouldn’t have picked those from a grid of movie posters at that moment.

I was just thinking that a "random" button would be nice. There's a "shuffle" button that mostly does the same thing, but I'd prefer it to work more like how you described, with you being able to see what the current selection is first before committing to it, and then being able to "roll the dice" to get a different randomized selection if you already saw that thing recently.

Also, what you're describing sounds like how my immediate family members watch TV; they'll continue watching something halfway through that they flipped to, when I already have it on Plex and they could just start it from the beginning if they really wanted to watch that movie. :rolleyes:

Also, Die Hard 3 best Die Hard. Any movie with Sam Jackson is the best movie. Fight me IRL about it. :colbert:

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

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There used to be a few plugins for XBMC (not sure if they made it to Kodi as they never had a ton of development) that did that. Would use various factors you could set up, like originating channel of show, genre etc. Was a neat idea, but only found myself actually using it once or twice.

Nettle Soup
Jan 30, 2010

Oh, and Jones was there too.

Bonzo posted:

I bought a yearly Plex pass but when I log into the webUI I still see the "Go Premium" button. Did something not apply or does it take a day or two?

I bought a month the other day and it applied instantly.

Ixian
Oct 9, 2001

Many machines on Ix....new machines
Pillbug

EL BROMANCE posted:

There used to be a few plugins for XBMC (not sure if they made it to Kodi as they never had a ton of development) that did that. Would use various factors you could set up, like originating channel of show, genre etc. Was a neat idea, but only found myself actually using it once or twice.


PseudoTV Live is still very much a thing for Kodi https://forum.kodi.tv/forumdisplay.php?fid=231

Not something any Plex client does or is planned to do that I know of, closest you'll get is that plus the Plex4Kodi addon.

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!
Someone made a Plex version but looks like its mostly for the Shield.

https://old.reddit.com/r/PleX/comments/awsvp9/i_made_my_own_pseudo_tv_for_plex_with_kodi_and/?ref=share&ref_source=link

I've yet to try it but I'm a little learly of downloading random APKs made my redditors.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

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Ixian posted:

PseudoTV Live is still very much a thing for Kodi https://forum.kodi.tv/forumdisplay.php?fid=231

Not something any Plex client does or is planned to do that I know of, closest you'll get is that plus the Plex4Kodi addon.

Ah so when I was late night googling, Pseudo TV was what I started with (I think the other was TVTime) but the descriptions I saw made it look like Pseudo TV and PTV Live were two different things. I’ll have to see what it can do now as it was probably 7 years ago that I used it.

Ixian
Oct 9, 2001

Many machines on Ix....new machines
Pillbug

EL BROMANCE posted:

Ah so when I was late night googling, Pseudo TV was what I started with (I think the other was TVTime) but the descriptions I saw made it look like Pseudo TV and PTV Live were two different things. I’ll have to see what it can do now as it was probably 7 years ago that I used it.


PTV Live is the result of typical abandonware drama where the first guy stops/slows development and then a new bunch takes over and improves it but calls it their own thing for *reasons*.

Incessant Excess
Aug 15, 2005

Cause of glitch:
Pretentiousness
I have an instance of Plex running on a NAS. Am I safe in assuming that, if I invite a user to my Plex server, there is zero chance whatsoever they will see files I have on my NAS but not added to my Plex library?

eddiewalker
Apr 28, 2004

Arrrr ye landlubber

Incessant Excess posted:

I have an instance of Plex running on a NAS. Am I safe in assuming that, if I invite a user to my Plex server, there is zero chance whatsoever they will see files I have on my NAS but not added to my Plex library?

They can switch to folder view and may see media files are under your library, but not indexed. They shouldn’t be able to see your porn in other folders.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

Incessant Excess posted:

I have an instance of Plex running on a NAS. Am I safe in assuming that, if I invite a user to my Plex server, there is zero chance whatsoever they will see files I have on my NAS but not added to my Plex library?

The chance is low but not zero. Plex could screw up and add files you didn't intend. You could screw up and add files you didn't intend. Plex could have a vulnerability. One way to mitigate this is to move plex to Docker and mount the approved videos directory, renaming it to like /DONTPUTTHEHOMEMADEPORNHERE/{public-domain-movies|public-domain-tv|etc}.

Dren
Jan 5, 2001

Pillbug

H110Hawk posted:

The chance is low but not zero. Plex could screw up and add files you didn't intend. You could screw up and add files you didn't intend. Plex could have a vulnerability. One way to mitigate this is to move plex to Docker and mount the approved videos directory, renaming it to like /DONTPUTTHEHOMEMADEPORNHERE/{public-domain-movies|public-domain-tv|etc}.

If you're talking about vulnerabilities then docker should probably be avoided entirely.

http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2019-5736

If I super cared about something like this I'd run the container with runc instead of docker and lock it down with cgroups, resource namespaces, seccomp-bpf, capability sets, and selinux

and heck, there's more you could do to isolate it

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

Dren posted:

If you're talking about vulnerabilities then docker should probably be avoided entirely.

http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2019-5736

If I super cared about something like this I'd run the container with runc instead of docker and lock it down with cgroups, resource namespaces, seccomp-bpf, capability sets, and selinux

and heck, there's more you could do to isolate it

My main point of Docker was to help isolate what plex can "see" on disk by default, more or less completely mitigating the largest of the two concerns (user error, whether Plex's or the Operator's error.) You still have the issue of accidentally copying files into the view of your docker mounts.

The runc overwrite bug, while hilarious, is going to be pretty small of a chance. Again, not zero, but very very very low. If a user says "zero" I map it through in my head to "exactly zero" - aka impossible. That's not the case, but it's highly unlikely. The friend finding it is fairly unlikely unless your friend has malicious intent. However, exposing a port to the wild west of the internet could result in them being exposed through automated means, such as bots with malicious intent that just scrape the internet at large. This can be further mitigated by allowing only your friends IP to connect to your plex port.

Ironically on one Linux distro (Fedora?) the runc bug was only an issue due to misapplication of selinux, so careful how you label your binaries, it is not a magic wand.

Perfect is the enemy of done. Depending on the users level of acceptable risk Docker could give a pretty good failsafe solution to Plex accidentally indexing the wrong directory.

Incessant Excess
Aug 15, 2005

Cause of glitch:
Pretentiousness
Thanks for the information. I can't run Plex inside docker as I am unable to get 4k transcoding to work that way, I guess I'll look into setting up a partition or whatever for my non Plex files.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006

Incessant Excess posted:

Thanks for the information. I can't run Plex inside docker as I am unable to get 4k transcoding to work that way, I guess I'll look into setting up a partition or whatever for my non Plex files.

The other option is to have those files owned by another user and set everything to ge readable by only that user. Pretty easy to do in Linux.

Bobulus
Jan 28, 2007

H110Hawk posted:

Also this app has about the minimum permissions it needs to have to actually run: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=co.uk.mrwebb.wakeonlan

Following up on this: This app works exactly the way I needed it to. Thanks for the help!

According to my power company's monitoring, setting the plex server to sleep after an hour of idle dropped me from 10 kWh/day to 8 kWh/day, which is like a $30/month savings.

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007



Incessant Excess posted:

Thanks for the information. I can't run Plex inside docker as I am unable to get 4k transcoding to work that way, I guess I'll look into setting up a partition or whatever for my non Plex files.

Uh, you mentioned "NAS" and "4k transcoding." :stare: UHD transcoding requires substantial [CPU] hardware, you're not going to be doing it on any commercial NAS.

Bobulus posted:

Following up on this: This app works exactly the way I needed it to. Thanks for the help!

According to my power company's monitoring, setting the plex server to sleep after an hour of idle dropped me from 10 kWh/day to 8 kWh/day, which is like a $30/month savings.

Ah yes, I wanted to add, I just got this to work with the main desktop that I had originally wanted to use it with! I hit the button in the app and the desktop immediately fired up! It didn't work with another desktop, despite all the systems being [apparently] configured appropriately, so I'm figuring that this is just something wrong with that system (and not that app.) I also set up a 3rd desktop, a SFF that's running PMS, but that one hasn't been powered down any time recently for me to test this out (it's more of just a "just in case" thing.)

Incessant Excess
Aug 15, 2005

Cause of glitch:
Pretentiousness

Atomizer posted:

Uh, you mentioned "NAS" and "4k transcoding." :stare: UHD transcoding requires substantial [CPU] hardware, you're not going to be doing it on any commercial NAS.

No, it works just fine. I have to make use of hardware transcoding, which is why I can't run Plex inside docker, but when using that the CPU usage stays below 30% on my NAS (a Synology DS918+).

Dren
Jan 5, 2001

Pillbug

Incessant Excess posted:

No, it works just fine. I have to make use of hardware transcoding, which is why I can't run Plex inside docker, but when using that the CPU usage stays below 30% on my NAS (a Synology DS918+).

can't you pass the devices to the docker container?

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/25185405/using-gpu-from-a-docker-container

Chumbawumba4ever97
Dec 31, 2000

by Fluffdaddy
Which version of HD Homerun do I need to buy if all I want it to do is plug into my server (a Windows 10 PC) and the coaxial coming from my HD antenna? There's so many to choose from I'm getting confused.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

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I just have an old duo, which is wired only and doesn't do the transcoding in box (ie it spits out the raw MPEG2 Transport Stream and Plex does what it needs to based on the client needs).

https://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/ compares the current models. If you need the hardware transcoding, you need the Extend. If you need it to do cable card, you need the prime. The duo/quatro don't do either and simply differ based on concurrent streams.

Chumbawumba4ever97
Dec 31, 2000

by Fluffdaddy

EL BROMANCE posted:

I just have an old duo, which is wired only and doesn't do the transcoding in box (ie it spits out the raw MPEG2 Transport Stream and Plex does what it needs to based on the client needs).

https://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/ compares the current models. If you need the hardware transcoding, you need the Extend. If you need it to do cable card, you need the prime. The duo/quatro don't do either and simply differ based on concurrent streams.

Thank you! I found the Extend on Amazon but I'm still a bit confused. The 2 tuner version is $180 and the 4 tuner one is $150? Why is that? It says the $150 one is mpeg2, is that why? If so, does it matter which one I buy if I don't really care what format my kid's Daniel Tiger episodes or in? Or do I have to buy the h.264 one because that's what TV stations use or something?

TheScott2K
Oct 26, 2003

I'm just saying, there's a nonzero chance Trump has a really toad penis.

Uncle at Nintendo posted:

Thank you! I found the Extend on Amazon but I'm still a bit confused. The 2 tuner version is $180 and the 4 tuner one is $150? Why is that? It says the $150 one is mpeg2, is that why? If so, does it matter which one I buy if I don't really care what format my kid's Daniel Tiger episodes or in? Or do I have to buy the h.264 one because that's what TV stations use or something?

TV stations use MPEG2. The Extend model has hardware to transcode that to h.264, which low end hardware like the firetv stick prefers. Plex is quite capable of handling that itself when necessary.

Chumbawumba4ever97
Dec 31, 2000

by Fluffdaddy

TheScott2K posted:

TV stations use MPEG2. The Extend model has hardware to transcode that to h.264, which low end hardware like the firetv stick prefers. Plex is quite capable of handling that itself when necessary.

Ah OK. I have Nvidia shield devices all over the house, so I can buy the cheaper mpeg2 version (with more tuners no less) and get identical results?

Does the Plex server software have more difficulty editing commercials out of the mpeg2 version or something?

TheScott2K
Oct 26, 2003

I'm just saying, there's a nonzero chance Trump has a really toad penis.
Yeah Shield will just be able to play them straight away. It shouldn't make a difference to editing commercials.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

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The Shield has native MPEG2 playback with no transcoding, it's one of very few boxes out there that do this now.

TheScott2K
Oct 26, 2003

I'm just saying, there's a nonzero chance Trump has a really toad penis.

EL BROMANCE posted:

The Shield has native MPEG2 playback with no transcoding, it's one of very few boxes out there that do this now.

It's more than you'd think but it's definitely limited to more expensive box-type devices and video game consoles.

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

The older HDHomeRun Connect Refurbished is available for $45 from the HDHomeRun site as well
https://shop.silicondust.com/shop/product-category/refurbished-hardware/?scrollto=477262

I haven't been able to find out what differences, if any, exist between the Connect and Connect Duo

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

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Apparently: "It features newer tuners with improved reception and lower power usage."

The older one is the one I have, I forgot it's wasn't called the duo back then.

Chumbawumba4ever97
Dec 31, 2000

by Fluffdaddy
I got the Homerun Connect Quattro in the mail and hooked it up and it seems to work great! Thanks everyone for the advice! Though it makes no sense, it seems like it is detecting way less channels than when I was using a Happauge WinTV card, but honestly the only reason I even bought this thing was to record PBS for "Daniel Tiger's Neighborhood" for my kids because PBS doesn't let you record it on YoutubeTV for some reason. It's been worth it for that alone and as long as I get PBS for them I am happy.

Since I am basically never going to watch live TV with my setup (I use youtube TV for that), should I have some sort of setup where these episodes are converted from .TS to .MP4 or something after recording? Can this be done automatically from within Plex? Only asking because .TS files seem to be really wonky; one of them is reporting it's a 2 hour recording for a 30 minute show, and they seem to struggle a bit more than even 1080p mkvs despite being 480i. Maybe it's just my imagination though. I even bought a better video card (NVidia GTX 1050) to do hardware decoding with Plex since my CPU is kind of old. The over-the-TV stuff seems kind of janky, even though I am blasting through 30 gig BD rips in Plex at breakneck speed (before the new video card, there would be a decent amount of buffering; now it's Kodi-levels of fast for loading local videos).

frh
Dec 6, 2014

Hire Kenny G to play for me in the elevator.
When you goons give friends access to your Plex server, do you make them all new accounts? I just give them my main username and password. Granted, I've only given it to like 3 close friends, but I am wondering what the difference is. I am guessing it's mostly so stuff they watch doesn't mark stuff I haven't watched as watched? If that's all it is, I don't really mind. They just seem to want to watch 80s movies and not new episodes of Fresh Off the Boat or anything. They also aren't particularly tech-savvy so I'm not worried about them logging in and changing my server settings and stuff. The only reason I never made new accounts is because when they asked me we were usually at a party or get together or something and I didn't feel like figuring out how to make a new account there on the spot.

Fuzz posted:

Plex even let's you stream VR experience videos to PS4. That's awesome.

Totally worth it.


Atomizer posted:

I've been using PMS for, what, 2 years now? I paid full price for the Pass and I have no regerts.


Plex VR is available on Google Daydream too.

How does this work exactly? Is it a separate VR app for Plex? Is there a way to make the VR content only show up with a password or something? I don't want the VR content showing up on the Plex TV app on my Roku TV for example. One, because it would make no sense for it to show up on a TV, and two because it's mostly NFSW videos.

RichterIX
Apr 11, 2003

Sorrowful be the heart
You sort of just answered your own question about why it's useful for your friends to have separate Plex accounts.

frh
Dec 6, 2014

Hire Kenny G to play for me in the elevator.
So make a separate account just for VR smut?

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





I send a share invitation to their email and they make their own accounts.

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007



WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW posted:

When you goons give friends access to your Plex server, do you make them all new accounts? I just give them my main username and password. Granted, I've only given it to like 3 close friends, but I am wondering what the difference is. I am guessing it's mostly so stuff they watch doesn't mark stuff I haven't watched as watched? If that's all it is, I don't really mind. They just seem to want to watch 80s movies and not new episodes of Fresh Off the Boat or anything. They also aren't particularly tech-savvy so I'm not worried about them logging in and changing my server settings and stuff. The only reason I never made new accounts is because when they asked me we were usually at a party or get together or something and I didn't feel like figuring out how to make a new account there on the spot.

Yes, each user should make their own account and then you authorize those accounts on your server. Do NOT give anyone else your credentials; it's the difference between giving others full control of your server and properly limiting users' access. It doesn't matter if you think they're not going to gently caress around with your server, it's just bad practice, especially since there's an easy way around it (users creating their own accounts!) And in the other thread didn't you mention having a lovely Internet connection? How do you miraculously have enough bandwidth to host a Plex server then?

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW posted:

The only reason I never made new accounts is because when they asked me we were usually at a party or get together or something and I didn't feel like figuring out how to make a new account there on the spot.

And what the gently caress does this even mean?! YOU don't make new accounts, the other users who want access to your server make them!!! :psyduck:

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW posted:

How does this work exactly? Is it a separate VR app for Plex? Is there a way to make the VR content only show up with a password or something? I don't want the VR content showing up on the Plex TV app on my Roku TV for example. One, because it would make no sense for it to show up on a TV, and two because it's mostly NFSW videos.

There is a separate Plex VR app for compatible devices. It basically lets you watch the content you already have in a virtual theater environment using a HMD. I don't have any actual VR content on my server, but presumably it would work as expected, letting you use the head tracking to pan around the scene.

You would, of course, control user access to your special VR content by using the built-in functionality, namely user access control via assigning permissions to individuals' accounts. This is why you don't give your administrator account credentials over to other people; you make them make their own accounts and you can authorize access to specific content for each user.

Dicty Bojangles
Apr 14, 2001

IOwnCalculus posted:

I send a share invitation to their email and they make their own accounts.

Same. They will receive an email asking them to create an account at plex.tv or sign in if they already have one. It's really easy to do.

frh
Dec 6, 2014

Hire Kenny G to play for me in the elevator.

Atomizer posted:

Yes, each user should make their own account and then you authorize those accounts on your server. Do NOT give anyone else your credentials; it's the difference between giving others full control of your server and properly limiting users' access. It doesn't matter if you think they're not going to gently caress around with your server, it's just bad practice, especially since there's an easy way around it (users creating their own accounts!) And in the other thread didn't you mention having a lovely Internet connection? How do you miraculously have enough bandwidth to host a Plex server then?

I do have terrible internet, especially when it comes to torrents. But not bad enough that I can't give 3 friends access; friends who maybe access it once every two weeks at different times.


Atomizer posted:

And what the gently caress does this even mean?! YOU don't make new accounts, the other users who want access to your server make them!!! :psyduck:

Not sure how you are that perplexed by my misunderstanding as my only knowledge of account creation is from being logged into my server under the account settings. I didn't feel like remote desktoping into my home server to add them when they asked me for my username/password. I didn't know it was just an e-mail thing and they create it. Even now I am looking at my Plex app on my Android phone and I don't see anywhere to generate an email to invite a friend. I also thought that since I have a lifetime Plex Pass that they might have to pay for the Plex app if they logged in with a different user.

IOwnCalculus posted:

I send a share invitation to their email and they make their own accounts.

OK thanks. I guess at the time it was just easier to give them my username/password than trying to figure out how to generate that e-mail in the Plex app.

frh fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Mar 11, 2019

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

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The one advantage to setting up their accounts is you get to pick a fun and exciting username for them they can cherish forever.

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frh
Dec 6, 2014

Hire Kenny G to play for me in the elevator.
I still don't see a way to add a user on the Plex app on my phone lol
I think I might have a disability or something

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