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JFairfax posted:New IRA 'has recruited dozens of dissidents and has locations of old arms dumps' 32 county Ireland is loving loser talk. now, 74 county, that's the real dream.
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JFairfax posted:New IRA 'has recruited dozens of dissidents and has locations of old arms dumps' I mean those numbers are completely made up but yeah these guys have been around for a while now? Dissidents gonna dissident and all
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Drone_Fragger posted:Ironically, this is loving terrible! because the countries we axe tariffs with are not likely to axe the tariffs on their side in return! so British goods are going to be noncompetitive at home, since they're competing against dirt cheap, unsafe crap made in china and India, with no tariffs on to cover this discrepancy, and noncompetitive abroard because they'll be imported goods with a 20% tariff or whatever on, making them impossible to compete with locally produced stuff. Yeah about that industrial base...
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JFairfax posted:Concerns over a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, plus broader concerns over our split from the EU, are feared to have radicalised younger Republicans.
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It's not exactly original or a funny but I drew this just as an answer to some people on the forums asking "are the UK leaving, having a second referendum, delaying or what?" I always credit this thread for the Majora's Mask theme. It's not comprehensive and it could change at any moment but it's what the immediate future looks like. Azza Bamboo fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Mar 6, 2019 |
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Indeterminacy posted:"Our split from the EU" and "Republican" don't seem to combine into a coherent identity here. Imma call journo bullshit. Makes sense to me? Irish republicans, worried that a no deal delusional imperial revanchist britain will try to gently caress with Ireland.
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today i learned from facebook that among many young americans, plagiarism is considered a totally normally and fine thing to do at a high school or university level, and it made me surprisingly angry is that what getting old feels like? is this what boomers feel? i'm furious that there's cadres of kids out there who think it's totally fine to make it even easier for middle class failsons to coast through life. goddamm.
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Is it easy for middle class failsons to coast through life, what does that look like?
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Middle Class What does that look like?
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Samovar posted:So. All Tariffs are to be reduced by at least 80%. That's good news, innit? Note that, if I recall correctly from my trade economics nerdery, that’s import tariffs only, due to WTO rules regarding Most Favoured Nation. This is a really important distinction. Every country must set its WTO tariff schedule to the same for any country - for example, the EU can’t just lower its tariffs for importing goods from UK only under the WTO rules without a free-trade agreement with the UK. So what the UK is doing is lowering their import tariffs by 80-90%, but for everyone who wishes to import regardless of the origin. On the flipside, the EU can’t then lower imports from the UK to EU only when they’re operating under WTO schedules, they must do it for everyone or no one - there is no “most favoured nation”. So what this means is that the UK will lower import tariffs no matter their origin, but the export barriers faced by UK businesses will remain high because other countries won’t lower their WTO schedules just for the UK. The upshot of all this, is that UK producers will simultaneously face higher export barriers until negotiated agreements are in place, whilst simultaneously not being protected from foreign competition via import barriers such as higher tariffs. Usually, high barriers to export come with protectionist import barriers, which gives at least a captive native market. In essence, the UK dumping their WTO tariff schedule undermines the viability of UK businesses who operate against foreign competition. They lose out in the export markets, but still hold no advantage locally. This will greatly harm local industry. The alternative is a protectionist approach of maintaining WTO schedules, but then harming consumers and cross-border production lines. Brexit was always a choice between “do we see significant price increases to many products for a decade or more, or do we shoot our manufacturing industry?” because anyone who thought 3 years is enough time to negotiate multiple comprehensive free-trade deals is a lunatic. Canada’s with the EU, covering 98% of tariffs, took over 10 years to bed down and still isn’t in full implementation. Anyone who sold the idea of a smooth transition to great new trade deals with many nations within the 3 year period sold a blatant lie.
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Coohoolin posted:is that what getting old feels like? is this what boomers feel? Absolutely not, I think. I'm early Gen X and computers weren't really a thing in my university days, let alone the Internet. We wrote our essays by hand. To me the whole fuss about plagiarism seems like a recent development, driven by the need to grade people and infected by property rights nonsense. E: If someone copied my essays verbatim, I'd have been immensely pleased and flattered, as long as it didn't threaten my marks. Oh dear me fucked around with this message at 06:55 on Mar 6, 2019 |
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Cerv posted:as long as you can pour exactly 25ml (or 35ml or a double) of gin / rum / vodka / whisky it's perfectly legal to free pour those. Wait what Are you telling me that when i order a double vodka and coke I'm not actually getting twice as much vodka? vvvv phew, was about to flip out there Microplastics fucked around with this message at 07:54 on Mar 6, 2019 |
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Wait what Re-read. 25ml OR 35ml OR a double. Scotland and NI traditionally had larger measures, so in 2001 the act was re-codified to allow publicans to decide what size they wanted to sell.
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JFairfax posted:Hundreds of dissidents are feared to have signed up to a new Republican terror group amid mounting anger over Brexit .
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Oh dear me posted:Absolutely not, I think. I'm early Gen X and computers weren't really a thing in my university days, let alone the Internet. We wrote our essays by hand. To me the whole fuss about plagiarism seems like a recent development, driven by the need to grade people and infected by property rights nonsense. The problem isn't that they are stealing your work, though that is lovely. But that they are not doing the work for themselves. Plagiarism is lovely.
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Coohoolin posted:today i learned from facebook that among many young americans, plagiarism is considered a totally normally and fine thing to do at a high school or university level, and it made me surprisingly angry Wait til you learn about Chinese students
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BoneMonkey posted:The problem isn't that they are stealing your work, though that is lovely. But that they are not doing the work for themselves. Plagiarism is lovely. Only as lovely as the qualification is valid. Absolutely plagiarise your way through secondary school. It's an entirely appropriate response to dumbass exam based qualifications.
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Mar 6, 2019 08:31
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A Buttery Pastry posted:IRA recruiting faster than UK customs. Well this is a problem that solves itself, really. Give them control of the NI/RoI border
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Coohoolin posted:today i learned from facebook that among many young americans, plagiarism is considered a totally normally and fine thing to do at a high school or university level, and it made me surprisingly angry It's not that plagiarism is a new problem, it's just that the concept that students need to do their own work is outdated with the rise of instant answers at the press of a button. Why have millions of students learn the same thing when you can just teach a handful, and have them post the answers online for all the other students to see, freeing up millions of students to do other things.
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BoneMonkey posted:The problem isn't that they are stealing your work, though that is lovely. But that they are not doing the work for themselves. Ah, ok. Infected by work ethic crap, then. qkkl posted:It's not that plagiarism is a new problem, it's just that the concept that students need to do their own work is outdated with the rise of instant answers at the press of a button. Partly. But I did my whole degree without once being asked to write a proper citation. If it was a problem, it wasn't one many people cared about. Oh dear me fucked around with this message at 08:44 on Mar 6, 2019 |
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Oh dear me posted:Ah, ok. Infected by work ethic crap, then. If someone doesn't process learning material, they don't gain familiarity with it, which means they don't evaluate it, ultimately curtailing their ability to think critically about a source, an argument, or data. Since the whole point of higher education is to cultivate that skill, yes it absolutely matters that students show proof of work and ability for independent thought as a consequence. I can't speak about secondary and primary education, but in tertiary education and beyond (I'm on my second postdoctoral position) you're still constantly learning and that means effort. PhDs are valued hires in all sorts of fields, not because we have an expensive bit of paper, but because we have developed the ability to think gud and have proof. Sorry you were allowed to fail upwards I guess.
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OTOH the commodification of qualifications makes cheating an entirely appropriate response.
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Samovar posted:So. All Tariffs are to be reduced by at least 80%. That's good news, innit? Its 80% of all tariffs reduced to 0
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Borrovan posted:Pea ale is ale containing peas, which might or might not be malted (yeah you can malt peas), as well as other fermentables, whereas pea wine is a wine made from pea pods (not the peas themselves). A friend of mine has pet rats and they love peas. They always peel the peas though because apparently the skin isn't as nice as the middle. Perhaps you could set up a Willy Wonka-style production line to make use of this.
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Coohoolin posted:today i learned from facebook that among many young americans, plagiarism is considered a totally normally and fine thing to do at a high school or university level, and it made me surprisingly angry If anything, it wasn't "A socialest Marxist commulist professor from Boston, Massachusetts (BAD) said property was theft so everyone copied each other and nobody did any work" that led to the blossoming of all this within academia, it was "a capitalist professor from everywhere said buy my book Eat A Dick, 12th Edition, by me, the only difference is I changed all the question numbers so you can't buy 11 e. from the year above" (although as posters even older than me have said, it was there before). Back then that attitude led to the open source movement and wikis and that, not middle class failsons coasting through life. That's something that tends to get harder without strong property 'rights', not easier. I hope that AI that can write better than guardian journalists and almost as good as humans is real and they release the source. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU7axyrHWDQ OwlFancier posted:OTOH the commodification of qualifications makes cheating an entirely appropriate response. Braggart posted:A friend of mine has pet rats and they love peas. They always peel the peas though because apparently the skin isn't as nice as the middle. Perhaps you could set up a Willy Wonka-style production line to make use of this.
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Guavanaut posted:I grew up Copying That Floppy and killing musicians with home tapes and all that, and most people engaged in some light plagiarism for the things they were less good at while allowing the inverse for things they were good at. This is not what plagiarism is. Just downloading a movie isn’t plagiarism, it’s when you then start claiming that it’s your own original idea and attempt to get the benefits that come with that, whether academic, commercial, or moral. This is nothing to do with the commodification of education. Even if all education was free, this would still be a problem in academia, as it undermines the development of new ideas, impacts on the student’s ability to grasp a robust framework for forming a new argument, and introduces risk to the replicability of scientific studies. And then if you have students like this entering post-academic life, you’re essentially saying it’s ok to steal other people’s content and ideas, which is not harmful to big companies who will have legal teams that can try to enforce their rights, it’s harmful to small independents who cannot. Even the open source community has a concept of giving credit for work.
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Yeah but academia attempting to monopolize IP was a huge driver in the idea that "information wants to be free" which led to "copying isn't theft" which led to a ripe market for plagiarism. Most people in school copied from people who were stronger in those subjects, which all in all did not lead to one person doing all the work and everyone getting F's, a la socialist professor meme. And they weren't credited for that work, because doing that would get you penalized, not praised, under the current academic system.
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Vlex posted:If someone doesn't process learning material, they don't gain familiarity with it, which means they don't evaluate it Someone who simply copied every essay would not have learned much at university, but then they would probably have flunked their final exams. Occasional plagiarism would hardly have that problem, unless you're going to insist on some ideal number of essays per annum. Critical thinking skills can also be developed in activities other than submitting work for grades, believe it or not.
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In my experience not many people plagiarise and if they do they tend to be the most entitled.
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J_RBG posted:In my experience not many people plagiarise and if they do they tend to be the most entitled. The bigger problem (in both ethical & practical terms) is essay mills
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Oh dear me posted:Critical thinking skills can also be developed in activities other than submitting work for grades, believe it or not. Borrovan posted:In mine, a couple do every year and always get rumbled by electronic plagiarism detectors
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Borrovan posted:In mine, a couple do every year and always get rumbled by electronic plagiarism detectors Yup, and really that is a signal to staff that something is not right with the student because they're not willing/able to do the work.
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The tales I could tell about plagiarism (or couldn't actually, I used to have tonnes but apparently I've now forgotten most of them). I've spent a lot of time in administrative roles in a big university, and a lot of that was dealing with distance learning and HOOBOY. There are a lot of nuances to the question, to be honest. Especially in the distance learning courses, we had to make a big effort to make sure students from some specific countries (and for the life of me I don't recall which, this was going on ten years back now) actually understood that it was bad at all. In some places, outright copying a well known work was seen as a sign of respect and understanding, or so I was led to believe. My favourite instance I can recall was someone who, in their dissertation for a two year master's degree in a biomedical subject, literally copied a wikipedia entry. Including an obvious screenshot-paste of each of the images, with the credit blurry, but intact. It looked more like an A level report than a MSc dissertation, and it honestly wasn't much longer. That was more along the lines of the entitled 'I paid for this degree now gimme' type though. We used an automatic detection software to catch plagiarism on many of our online courses.
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I plagiarised in high school by translating essays from a different language into my native one. The hyper advanced plagio-detectors never caught it because in reality it was probably just a teacher using google.
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Until I got to university, education was literally 100% about passing tests. I didn't actually learn anything and I can't remember anything I studied. It was just put useless information in head, pour information out of head onto paper at end of year. Which is entirely useless in this day and age when I can just google whatever information I need. When I got to university, I also didn't learn anything, because I did a useless degree that was predicated on your ability to follow instructions, basically, and the only bit of independent work was something I already knew how to do, which was part of why I picked the course in the first place. So i'm gonna say most education that happens to people is pointless and dumb and you should cheat at it if that helps because you shouldn't be penalised for an inability to do pointless and dumb things. It exists so you can wave a bit of paper at an employer so they might spend more than a couple of seconds looking at your CV. Nothing more.
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This is why I'm a fan or more practical learning at secondary level. If you copy "making a dovetail joint" that's called "you now also know how to make a dovetail joint, that means there's at least two people who know how to make a dovetail joint, go you" rather than "plagiarism".
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J_RBG posted:In my experience not many people plagiarise and if they do they tend to be the most entitled. Eh, I've seen this sort of behaviour, but I've also seen students from less well-off backgrounds, possibly the first member of their family to go to university, have a panicked response to the demands from academic institutions. Desperate people do desperate, silly things, like copy a wikipedia page and not change any words, because in their mind submitting something (anything) is better than not meeting the expectations of the figure of authority. They're wrong, of course, but the answer is to provide adequate support and a framework in which they can develop as scholars. Oh dear me posted:Someone who simply copied every essay would not have learned much at university, but then they would probably have flunked their final exams. So it doesn't matter if people don't do the work, as long as they...do the...work? 
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Oh dear me posted:Someone who simply copied every essay would not have learned much at university, but then they would probably have flunked their final exams. Occasional plagiarism would hardly have that problem, unless you're going to insist on some ideal number of essays per annum. My degree didn't have final exams after 1st year we only did essays. Really this is a symptom of people hating their degree and only doing it to get job qualifications. I loved writing my essays because I did a poo poo degree with no job prospects that was interesting to me.
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