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Foo Diddley
Oct 29, 2011

cat

Rotten Red Rod posted:

I clicked anyway and, well, I think this is the weirdest game update I've ever read

:stare:

Terrible Awful Games: the baby had to be removed before anything sexual could happen

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Foo Diddley
Oct 29, 2011

cat
It sure is a shame that Steam can do nothing to prevent horrifying poo poo like this from showing up in their store

They're trying, tho:



Takes a whole lot of study to figure out if a game called "RAPE DAY" is loving garbage or not

blinking beacon nose
Nov 1, 2004

birthday frog comes bearing gifts and special birthday wishes

Rotten Red Rod posted:

I clicked anyway and, well, I think this is the weirdest game update I've ever read


:stare:

Huh. Is he using sex and killing as synonyms...? What?

Finding it hard to square all of that with

quote:


I don’t particularly like blood, gore, bruising, scratches, etc. so none of this is shown in the game.

though. Bruising is bad, but rape is fine.

blinking beacon nose fucked around with this message at 01:28 on Mar 5, 2019

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!
I don't like blood or gore, so I made a zombie game.

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005






It's gone now, either enough people reported it or their system is actually starting to take out the trash.

Kanfy
Jan 9, 2012

Just gotta keep walking down that road.

McSpanky posted:

It's gone now, either enough people reported it or their system is actually starting to take out the trash.

Kanfy posted:

It's not, you just have filters on.

...or aren't logged in.

On a different note, this developer has a great deal of faith that their crummy 3D porn game becoming the next Big Thing, pumping enough bad DLC to match Train Simulator at this rate. DLC characters for $1 and each of them having a separate "Transgender" version for the same cost which are the same characters except with giant erect penises.

Kanfy fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Mar 5, 2019

John Lee
Mar 2, 2013

A time traveling adventure everyone can enjoy

Kanfy posted:

...or aren't logged in.

On a different note, this developer has a great deal of faith that their crummy 3D porn game becoming the next Big Thing, pumping enough bad DLC to match Train Simulator at this rate. DLC characters for $1 and each of them having a separate "Transgender" version for the same cost which are the same characters except with giant erect penises.

I'd pay a lot more than a dollar for a giant erect penis, buddy

edit: Wait, that came out wrong

John Lee fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Mar 5, 2019

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85cL1HisrNc

Lodin
Jul 31, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
I find it odd that Polygon are the only ones who have written about Rape Day so far, as far as I can tell. You'd think Kotaku and all the others would want to give it a mention?
https://www.polygon.com/2019/3/4/18249916/rape-day-steam-valve

VideoGameVet
May 14, 2005

It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion. It is by the juice of Java that pedaling acquires speed, the teeth acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion.

Discendo Vox posted:

Ever considered getting back in? By all accounts a lot of the industry is in desperate need of people with any scrap of actual management and project management capability in an executive role.

Oh, in 2007 I was up to run a major studio in Seattle. Multiple meetings and then they put me up in a fancy hotel and had me find a place to live. Withdrew the offer on Monday.

Why? The guy running things had contractors with no milestones building online versions of their main product (a card game) stuff was late etc. I think he figured out that if the parent company bought me in that he was going to be history. You don't have to be a wizard to figure out who I'm talking about.

The good thing about that is I co-founded a mobile game company and I share credit on what is considered the very first iPhone game released as well as some other decent titles. We sold the company in 2010 and took positions in the new one. Left that in 2016 as the company is now focused on real-money casino stuff in the UK.

I apply for stuff all the time. I had some interviews to be the CTO of an (in)famous MMO company in San Diego that really needs a turn-around, but my guess is since MMO's are the one type of game I haven't worked on, they passed. That was Oct. and they still haven't found someone nuts enough to take that job.

Besides all the old-time game stuff, I ran mobile marketing for years and know 100 ways to fail. Thinking of penning a piece for Gamasutra on how "Survivor Bias" screws up independent game developers trying to create the next game.

So currently I'm head of research for a device company. I had worked briefly for the principles in 2000, when they tried to launch what YouTube became. It's good to have a decent gig at this age.

Oh and I'm negotiating with the mobile game company so I can do a relaunch of an interesting word game I designed. It's literally the only game my wife really liked.

VideoGameVet fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Mar 5, 2019

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

Kanfy posted:

...or aren't logged in.


We go through this every time a NSFW game is posted on here. Read the page error message people, and keep in mind Valve basically NEVER deletes anything anymore. If they delete this one you'll hear about it right away because this edgelord-developed Powerpoint presentation is currently the greatest showdown of social values in gaming.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 22 hours!

VideoGameVet posted:

the good news

Excellent.

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

VideoGameVet posted:

I apply for stuff all the time. I had some interviews to be the CTO of an (in)famous MMO company in San Diego that really needs a turn-around, but my guess is since MMO's are the one type of game I haven't worked on, they passed. That was Oct. and they still haven't found someone nuts enough to take that job.


If you're talking about who I'm thinking you're talking about, good move, as they just delayed a flagship IP's new battle royale version 2 months, which gave perfect timing for Apex Legends to come out of nowhere and eat its non-existent lunch. Not that they could have seen it coming (no one did) but it's still funny.

... Although I'd still take a job there in an instant, as I'm in San Diego, but I'm just in HR so it's a different much more low-stakes ballgame for me.

Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Mar 5, 2019

Kanfy
Jan 9, 2012

Just gotta keep walking down that road.

Lodin posted:

I find it odd that Polygon are the only ones who have written about Rape Day so far, as far as I can tell. You'd think Kotaku and all the others would want to give it a mention?
https://www.polygon.com/2019/3/4/18249916/rape-day-steam-valve

Well it hasn't been approved for sale yet as per the dev's post so there isn't much newsworthy about it until it actually gets the green light. I wholeheartedly recommend checking out the comments there if you want to meet the day's week's quota for hot takes, by the way.

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

My hot take is that I absolutely want it to come out ASAP because Steam can't throw itself down the garbage disposal fast enough for me and any speeding up of that process is welcome

Edit: Kotaku has covered it now: https://kotaku.com/the-latest-steam-game-to-test-valves-laissez-faire-poli-1833074558

Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Mar 5, 2019

VideoGameVet
May 14, 2005

It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion. It is by the juice of Java that pedaling acquires speed, the teeth acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion.

Rotten Red Rod posted:

If you're talking about who I'm thinking you're talking about, good move, as they just delayed a flagship IP's new battle royale version 2 months, which gave perfect timing for Apex Legends to come out of nowhere and eat its non-existent lunch. Not that they could have seen it coming (no one did) but it's still funny.

... Although I'd still take a job there in an instant, as I'm in San Diego, but I'm just in HR so it's a different much more low-stakes ballgame for me.

Yep them. And in a crazy coincidence, one of my co-workers from Activision ran that company when it was part of a large Japanese corporation. Our kids went to the same school too.

VideoGameVet
May 14, 2005

It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion. It is by the juice of Java that pedaling acquires speed, the teeth acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion.

Rotten Red Rod posted:

My hot take is that I absolutely want it to come out ASAP because Steam can't throw itself down the garbage disposal fast enough for me and any speeding up of that process is welcome

Edit: Kotaku has covered it now: https://kotaku.com/the-latest-steam-game-to-test-valves-laissez-faire-poli-1833074558

And the (admittedly stupid) game I came up with, where you guess who (dressed) celebs are from behind (and yes we had rights to the images) was blocked by Apple and Google in 2015.

Sad.

Palpek
Dec 27, 2008


Do you feel it, Zach?
My coffee warned me about it.


The first comment:

quote:

The fact that this game seems to exist purely for the purpose of pushing the envelope is what makes me feel like it really doesn’t belong on Steam and probably is trolling. As a fan of visual novels, I’ve played PLENTY of them with rape, and I can name a few off the top of my head that are awesome games with great characters and stories. But this... I mean, does the developer have anything else to say about why someone should play it? The characters, the music?
:ohno:

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

Palpek posted:

The first comment:

:ohno:

When keeping it real goes wrong

Dareon
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin
Honestly, it's a fair question, cringey nature of waving your fetish in the audience's face aside. The Kotaku article mentions I think 7000 words, but how many of them are just variations of "squish glurt blorp plap"?

No one is playing it for the story, but because there appears to be one (from the single screenshot in the article), it being decent readable would be a bonus.

RatHat
Dec 31, 2007

A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!

Palpek posted:

The first comment:

:ohno:

That people in that comment thread are now listing off the VNs with rape they've played.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

"It's okay. There are other Terminators! Just give us this one!"
Hell Gem

RatHat posted:

That people in that comment thread are now listing off the VNs with rape they've played.

Trap...sprung?

Dareon
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

mycot posted:

Trap...sprung?

Some of them probably do have experiences where they went to rape a character and it was a trap. In both senses of the word. I vaguely recall a Horrors of Porn (maybe? Was there a separate column for just plain hentai game reviews?) on the front page where one of the first choices you get is "rape her" and it leads directly to a game over.

AG3
Feb 4, 2004

Ask me about spending hundreds of dollars on Mass Effect 2 emoticons and Avatars.

Oven Wrangler

Dareon posted:

Some of them probably do have experiences where they went to rape a character and it was a trap. In both senses of the word. I vaguely recall a Horrors of Porn (maybe? Was there a separate column for just plain hentai game reviews?) on the front page where one of the first choices you get is "rape her" and it leads directly to a game over.

Maybe https://www.somethingawful.com/hentai-game-reviews/gloria/ ?

*Edit*
My god, have I really been here that long?

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005






Rotten Red Rod posted:

We go through this every time a NSFW game is posted on here. Read the page error message people, and keep in mind Valve basically NEVER deletes anything anymore. If they delete this one you'll hear about it right away because this edgelord-developed Powerpoint presentation is currently the greatest showdown of social values in gaming.

Dammit I keep getting signed out of Steam's website after a few days even though I'm checking the "keep me signed in box", I think I have too many Chrome extensions again or something. Or maybe I shouldn't be trying that hard to keep up on all the latest developments in the trashy tryhard "make RapeLay 2 look quaint and bygone" field :thunk:

McSpanky fucked around with this message at 10:21 on Mar 6, 2019

Lodin
Jul 31, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
I still think it's pretty telling about Valve in 2019 that nobody there has gone "holy poo poo, we need to purge this thing right now and give a wet fart of an apology. Instead some poor bastard (probably in India) has to sit there and suffer the trash.

Kanfy
Jan 9, 2012

Just gotta keep walking down that road.
That's probably what the dev is hoping for, if they ban it then they can play the martyr and claim it was unjust because it was neither "trolling or straight-up illegal" which were the standards Valve set. Their main goal is probably just to drum outrage and get publicity and this is a pretty foolproof way of doing so.

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

Lodin posted:

I still think it's pretty telling about Valve in 2019 that nobody there has gone "holy poo poo, we need to purge this thing right now and give a wet fart of an apology. Instead some poor bastard (probably in India) has to sit there and suffer the trash.

Given Valve's company structure, the fact that nobody wants to make the decision means no one will do it at all. When you can choose what you work on, you'll always choose what makes you bonuses, and in Valve's case that means pumping out more skins for DotA2 and CS:GO.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
I spent hours trying to find a walkthru and fan remake of The Screamer, only to eventually realize that I'd confused the plots of The Screamer and Hoshi wo Miru Hito, a legendarily bad game. Welp, that's my story.

Double Punctuation
Dec 30, 2009

Ships were made for sinking;
Whiskey made for drinking;
If we were made of cellophane
We'd all get stinking drunk much faster!

Kanfy posted:

That's probably what the dev is hoping for, if they ban it then they can play the martyr and claim it was unjust because it was neither "trolling or straight-up illegal" which were the standards Valve set. Their main goal is probably just to drum outrage and get publicity and this is a pretty foolproof way of doing so.

But it is straight-up trolling. Nobody who knows better is going to play that poo poo.

Lodin
Jul 31, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
Alternately it could be someone trying to prove a point. Come up with the most horrendous game imaginable, slap together some Poser-images and dump it on Steam.
Valve just leaning back and letting out a wet fart kinda proves how useless their new system is.

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

Double Punctuation posted:

But it is straight-up trolling. Nobody who knows better is going to play that poo poo.

Lodin posted:

Alternately it could be someone trying to prove a point. Come up with the most horrendous game imaginable, slap together some Poser-images and dump it on Steam.
Valve just leaning back and letting out a wet fart kinda proves how useless their new system is.

It's pretty clearly both. The guy who made it will win just as hard if it gets deleted or if it actually gets released. Moreso if it gets deleted, probably.

Valve's best move is to let it languish forever in the approval stage like they do with many other AO games.

VideoGameVet posted:

Yep them. And in a crazy coincidence, one of my co-workers from Activision ran that company when it was part of a large Japanese corporation. Our kids went to the same school too.

Not a huge coincidence if you live in San Diego. Like a third of my friends did QA and GM stints there just out of high school (gently caress it, we're talking about SOE/Daybreak, let's just say it) and I still know a few people who work there in IT and QA.

Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Mar 6, 2019

VideoGameVet
May 14, 2005

It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion. It is by the juice of Java that pedaling acquires speed, the teeth acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion.

Rotten Red Rod posted:

It's pretty clearly both. The guy who made it will win just as hard if it gets deleted or if it actually gets released. Moreso if it gets deleted, probably.

Valve's best move is to let it languish forever in the approval stage like they do with many other AO games.


Not a huge coincidence if you live in San Diego. Like a third of my friends did QA and GM stints there just out of high school (gently caress it, we're talking about SOE/Daybreak, let's just say it) and I still know a few people who work there in IT and QA.

It's going to be hard for Daybreak to find someone as crazy as me willing to take on this challenge. I turned around Activision's tech and Lightspan's too. It's isn't about understanding MMO's, it's understanding the video game business and managing people.

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

Yeah it's gotta be rough for them right now, they're mostly known for H1Z1 at the moment, and it... Well, it's H1Z1.

The age of the big-budget MMO is over and they're a company specialized in MMOs. Everything they're doing lately is just chasing trends - Planetside Arena is practically guaranteed to be DOA unless it's hiding something really special and new.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
The age of big-budget MMOs never even existed, IMO. MMOs are probably at the best they've ever been right now, and there's only 2 wildly successful big budget titles running right now, with everyone else either small already or scaling down.

Warcraft managed to catch lightning in a bottle in early 00s so everyone tried to hop on that train at some point, but they've moved on from that to shooters and mobas and now battle royales since poo poo didn't pan out. e: and even then the 2nd very successful MMO is ff14, which is a wow clone lol.

Truga fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Mar 6, 2019

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

I'd contend the age of big budget MMOs was post-UO and pre-WoW when EQ and a handful of others had a captive audience. WoW coming out was the death of that age, although it took a few years before all the big studios realized they weren't fighting over the whole pie, but just what was left over after Blizzard's giant bite.

Now we're hitting a post-MMO age where devs have realized you can extract the good, fun parts of MMOs without needing the actual MMO chaff, and you get things like battle royales and live service games like Destiny. To me, Guild Wars was the first to really hit upon this when it created a fully instanced game that pretty much delivered the same experience as playing an MMO.

Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Mar 6, 2019

Too Shy Guy
Jun 14, 2003


I have destroyed more of your kind than I can count.



Rotten Red Rod posted:

It's pretty clearly both. The guy who made it will win just as hard if it gets deleted or if it actually gets released. Moreso if it gets deleted, probably.

Valve's best move is to let it languish forever in the approval stage like they do with many other AO games.

And it's gone. Come for the vague, mealy-mouthed rationale, stay for the awful comments saying exactly what you're expecting.

VideoGameVet
May 14, 2005

It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion. It is by the juice of Java that pedaling acquires speed, the teeth acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion.

Truga posted:

The age of big-budget MMOs never even existed, IMO. MMOs are probably at the best they've ever been right now, and there's only 2 wildly successful big budget titles running right now, with everyone else either small already or scaling down.

Warcraft managed to catch lightning in a bottle in early 00s so everyone tried to hop on that train at some point, but they've moved on from that to shooters and mobas and now battle royales since poo poo didn't pan out. e: and even then the 2nd very successful MMO is ff14, which is a wow clone lol.

Game companies are like 5-year-olds playing soccer. They ALL run to where the ball is at any moment.

My idea for Daybreak would be to fix the tech (reliability etc.) and find original themes people care about. Merging in story elements would also make sense, my adventure game bias showing of course.

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

Too Shy Guy posted:

And it's gone. Come for the vague, mealy-mouthed rationale, stay for the awful comments saying exactly what you're expecting.

Vague and mealy-mouthed? I dunno, this is pretty straight forward:

We then have to make a judgement call about any risk it puts to Valve, our developer partners, or our customers. After significant fact-finding and discussion, we think 'Rape Day' poses unknown costs and risks and therefore won't be on Steam.

We respect developers’ desire to express themselves, and the purpose of Steam is to help developers find an audience, but this developer has chosen content matter and a way of representing it that makes it very difficult for us to help them do that.


Consider me impressed. Valve came out of its hole actually did the right thing.

Of course it's stupid it was ever listed in their game directory to begin with, but that's the house they built.

Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Mar 6, 2019

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Too Shy Guy
Jun 14, 2003


I have destroyed more of your kind than I can count.



The problem is that it doesn't point to anything concrete that made them pull it. They didn't cite any rules it broke, or make up any new ones, they basically just said they didn't like it. It does nothing to stop more games like this getting on to Steam, nothing to address similarly objectionable games already on Steam, and nothing to draw any lines between different forms of objectionable content.

The message I'm getting from this is that it's still open season on Steam unless Kotaku or Polygon write a piece about it.

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