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Who do you want to be the 2020 Democratic Nominee?
This poll is closed.
Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden 27 1.40%
Bernie "please don't die" Sanders 1017 52.69%
Cory "charter schools" Booker 12 0.62%
Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand 24 1.24%
Kamala "truancy queen" Harris 59 3.06%
Julian "who?" Castro 7 0.36%
Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard 25 1.30%
Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti 22 1.14%
Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown 21 1.09%
Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar 12 0.62%
Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth 48 2.49%
Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke 32 1.66%
Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren 284 14.72%
Tom "impeach please" Steyer 4 0.21%
Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg 9 0.47%
Joseph Stalin 287 14.87%
Howard "coffee republican" Schultz 10 0.52%
Jay "nobody cares about climate change :(" Inslee 13 0.67%
Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man 17 0.88%
Total: 1930 votes
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Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

Tulsi Gabbard is funny because you don’t even have to dig to find her stupid bad opinions. It’s just all out in the open lol.

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Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Wow! love my anti-war candidate!

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005
Way too many people are giving Tulsi a pass on her spectacularly lovely opinions based solely on the fact that she endorsed Bernie in 2016 very early on.

volts5000
Apr 7, 2009

It's electric. Boogie woogie woogie.
Either poo poo or get off the pot, Biden! Why is he teasing this out so long?

https://twitter.com/NewDay/status/1103630692976484352

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005
Christ. At what point does Joe Biden wear out his loving welcome? It's March and all of the leading contenders have declared. If he still doesn't do it by the end of March, I think he's going to miss his window.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

Maybe he's trying to line up donors, or seeing if he can get a promise of the VP slot or something if he endorsed one of the other candidates, or maybe he wants to hold off being a candidate for as long as possible because "Will Biden run?!?!" coverage is a hell of a lot more favorable to him than "Look at this dumb poo poo Biden did/said today"

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


biden would save the country if he sat out and it's unfortunate he doesn't get that.

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002

Gripweed posted:

Maybe he's trying to line up donors, or seeing if he can get a promise of the VP slot or something if he endorsed one of the other candidates, or maybe he wants to hold off being a candidate for as long as possible because "Will Biden run?!?!" coverage is a hell of a lot more favorable to him than "Look at this dumb poo poo Biden did/said today"

I think it's a little bit of all of this plus strategy for how to respond to things that will definitely come up, like being real touchy or Anita Hill or desegregation etc

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

volts5000 posted:

Either poo poo or get off the pot, Biden! Why is he teasing this out so long?

https://twitter.com/NewDay/status/1103630692976484352

What kind of political edgeplay is this? And will it end in a ruined orgasm? Which I guess is where a bunch of early donor cash gets spunked against a wall fruitlessly because all the good political operatives are working for other campaigns, and the voters have stopped giving a poo poo

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe

Groovelord Neato posted:

biden would save the country if he sat out and it's unfortunate he doesn't get that.

Would he? I'm still hopeful he'll tank and spoil the other centrists in the process. His "is he running!?" lead seems drastically overblown to me.

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005
I don't believe Biden inspires the enthusiasm necessary to win a primary. I think he might win a general, paradoxically, but I don't think he'll make it through a primary.

I mean, who are his supporters? Old dinosaurs who never in a million years would get off their asses to phonebank, knock on doors, or drive people to the polls. Even Hillary had a core of very loyal followers, and Biden has never inspired that kind of loyalty.

Fritz Coldcockin fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Mar 7, 2019

Pakistani Brad Pitt
Nov 28, 2004

Not as taciturn, but still terribly powerful...



CelestialScribe posted:

Lol democracy is functionally dead?

There are plenty of other countries where the general population doesn't get to take part in a preselection or primary process.

Do these countries have de facto 2 party systems with no proportional representation?

I don’t think I’d care what a Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden does to come to the head of their party in a parliamentary system, because I wouldn’t be forced into the same party as them on account of the functional other choice being neo Nazis in the first place.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


i have a very real fear he'll win. in a just and logical world his past and current positions would sink him almost immediately but hope is a lie.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Lightning Knight posted:

Tulsi Gabbard is funny because you don’t even have to dig to find her stupid bad opinions. It’s just all out in the open lol.

I think the Iraq War was such an obvious catastrophe and yet continued to be supported and defended by the foreign policy establishment of both parties beyond all reason, that the consequence is anyone saying "yo that war was dumb" immediately gets this whole myth-making community surrounding them and making them into their fantasy antiwar candidate regardless of that person's actual positions which are almost always hawkish but in a somewhat different atrocious way than the establishment's hawkishness.

Ron Paul "opposed the war" but he wanted to just add private mercenary armies to the military industrial complex and write them all a blank check to do anything they wanted anywhere they wanted with unlimited government funds.

Gary Johnson "criticized drone strikes" but whenever he was actually interviewed he said "no of course we have to drone strike the terrorists, Obama is just doing it wrong and causing too much collateral damage, but I will kill the terrorists without the collateral damage don't ask me for any specifics ok"

Tulsi Gabbard said the war was dumb (five years after everyone else figured it out) so now she's the latest antiwar savior, even though her chief foreign policy difference with the Obama administration was that he wasn't bombing the Middle East enough.

VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 15:50 on Mar 7, 2019

Tom Guycot
Oct 15, 2008

Chief of Governors


I don't see how biden can capture the primary audience once he starts running, has a platform, some town halls, and talking about policy, even before we get to the debates. Even the Hillary wing candidate is aping Bernie, and theres no chance Biden will move to the left. He'll make The Klobb look like a leftist when he starts describing his "gently caress your college debt, gently caress M4A, invade Venezuela, reach across the isle, bipartisan rim jobs, sensible climate policy while focusing on extracting more gas and oil, big ups to the finance sector, don't tax the wealthy".

I just can't see once he gets going anyone being drawn to that. Right now he has name recognition and no one but the terminally online knows how lovely he is, they just remember "oh yeah, obama's vp".

Maybe I'm shooting myself in the foot but, man I just don't see it happening.

Tom Guycot fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Mar 7, 2019

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

The two major upsides to Biden running are

  • He flames out immediately and it's hilarious, or
  • He beats the pants off all the other centrists and we get to watch all the "no more old white men!" people anoint Biden the First Queer Woman Of Color candidate like they did for Bill Clinton back in the day

The major downside is the second scenario could end with Biden getting the nomination and then America is hosed.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound
The best-case scenario is Biden causes terminal infighting in the centrist wing and then Bernie sweeps the left.

Iron Twinkie
Apr 20, 2001

BOOP

Fritz Coldcockin posted:

I don't believe Biden inspires the enthusiasm necessary to win a primary. I think he might win a general, paradoxically, but I don't think he'll make it through a primary.

I mean, who are his supporters? Old dinosaurs who never in a million years would get off their asses to phonebank, knock on doors, or drive people to the polls. Even Hillary had a core of very loyal followers, and Biden has never inspired that kind of loyalty.

Unless he's been paying a campaign staff in the background, it's likely any of the political mercenaries that he would have had to hire are already working for another campaign which is a bizarre thing to have to say in March.

Terror Sweat
Mar 15, 2009

Groovelord Neato posted:

biden would save the country if he sat out and it's unfortunate he doesn't get that.

That's literally every one running. Its socialism or barbarism IMO

DaveWoo
Aug 14, 2004

Fun Shoe
https://mobile.twitter.com/aseitzwald/status/1103662510249570305

Booker continues to cement his position as the most naive idiot in this race.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Terror Sweat posted:

That's literally every one running. Its socialism or barbarism IMO

i think biden's the only one that's got a shot at unseating bernard.

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

DaveWoo posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/aseitzwald/status/1103662510249570305

Booker continues to cement his position as the most naive idiot in this race.

It's like he lives inside an episode of The West Wing.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


His whole shtick is like a decade late.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

Groovelord Neato posted:

i think biden's the only one that's got a shot at unseating bernard.

Bernie's health is probably a bigger threat to him than any one opponent is.

Eggplant Squire
Aug 14, 2003


The Kingfish posted:

His whole shtick is like a decade late.

Only useless media wonks want this poo poo now and thankfully their votes are meaningless.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Bernie's health is probably a bigger threat to him than any one opponent is.

He caught and recovered from every known disease in the 60s so his immune system is really strong

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


https://twitter.com/jackallisonLOL/status/1103648634438995968

https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/1103031680561004545

Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Mar 7, 2019

Fritz Coldcockin
Nov 7, 2005

He threatens their way of life. They're used to sitting atop the class heap and giving lip service to progressive causes, and Bernie's rattling their cages.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015



Lol at the ending frame.

VideoGameVet
May 14, 2005

It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion. It is by the juice of Java that pedaling acquires speed, the teeth acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion.

Well, I'm an outlier then.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Being a mark isn’t any better! Get real Bernie there’s no greenhouse gas!

It’s amazing this has been a thing for as long as it has and everybody just trucked along.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

Fritz Coldcockin posted:

He threatens their way of life. They're used to sitting atop the class heap and giving lip service to progressive causes, and Bernie's rattling their cages.

He's not threatening the way of life of people making 100k, they just don't want social programs cause fygm.

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Gillibrand directly equivocating criticism of AIPAC to actual Nazi propaganda should be disqualifying but isn't because this country sucks rear end.

https://twitter.com/aterkel/status/1103699100346826753

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




fool_of_sound posted:

He's not threatening the way of life of people making 100k, they just don't want social programs cause fygm.

But their way of life is being better than everyone else

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

Fitzy Fitz posted:

But their way of life is being better than everyone else

Fair enough

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

SKULL.GIF posted:

Gillibrand directly equivocating criticism of AIPAC to actual Nazi propaganda should be disqualifying but isn't because this country sucks rear end.

https://twitter.com/aterkel/status/1103699100346826753

Don’t worry her candidacy was going nowhere.

Lumpy
Apr 26, 2002

La! La! La! Laaaa!



College Slice

SKULL.GIF posted:

Gillibrand directly equivocating criticism of AIPAC to actual Nazi propaganda should be disqualifying but isn't because this country sucks rear end.

https://twitter.com/aterkel/status/1103699100346826753

Time to call her office and tell her she sucks.

Brony Car
May 22, 2014

by Cyrano4747
Imagine being from New York and having to kiss up to AIPAC-loving voters...

DaveWoo
Aug 14, 2004

Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1103710016933109760

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Typo
Aug 19, 2009

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The Fighting Slowpokes

unironically good cuz god the senate seat

also good news for klobuchar and biden and maybe bernie lol

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