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President Ark posted:it's been all but outright stated the demiurge incubus got his key from was auntie maya (the lady with the not-a-sword-but-still-a-sword) and that she abdicated for Reasons™ Maybe she didn't want to deal with fighting Incubus in probate court. I still like the idea of Incubus as a trophy spouse, though.
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President Ark posted:she saw the shape of the universe which seems to mean "her mind was exposed to knowledge of all events, everywhere, past and future included" in K6BD terms and like roland jones said, it's hilarious that a suicidal omniscient with no ability or desire to interact with the rest of the universe still feels the need to call incubus a tool
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Mar 7, 2019 05:04
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Dmitri-9 posted:Gog-Agog got even weirder in her second appearance. At first she just imitated the last person who spoke but now she has a very childlike persona. She has a lot of gimmick accounts OP
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Mar 7, 2019 05:06
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avshalom is gog-agog? Makes sense.
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Mar 7, 2019 05:19
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my understanding is that incubus basically grew up in maya's army during the universal war i think at some point shortly before, during, or possibly some time after the creation of the pact i think maya decided actually no gently caress this im unhappy as hell and yeeted out, leaving her key on her throne incubus then took both the key and control of her army and holdings, was rebuffed by the other demiurges, and has apparently spent the entire time since trying to prove hes a real demiurge instead of trying to rule an empire. his seventh of creation is a mad max hellhole according to abbadon iirc
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Mar 7, 2019 05:44
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has anyone mentioned Mammom referring to Zoss, the Conquering King who slew all the gods and angels and basically wrecked the entirety of Throne as "that old rapscallion" because for some reason that just makes me love grandpa dragon even more 
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Mar 7, 2019 06:25
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Abaddon once described Incubus' concept as like a 'curdled hero' - someone who was the Chosen One of his story, at some point. I don't know if that's current, but I like the image of Incubus rising to face Maya and claim her key, triumphant and burning with Chosen One ambition, and then she just throws the thing at him and leaves to get shitfaced. And Incubus is left as one of the gods of the seven part world, but also never got his final boss battle or any respect.
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Mar 7, 2019 07:52
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i super appreciate that gog-agog's halo is floaty green goop.
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Mar 7, 2019 07:53
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other demiurges have flames, she has a melted candle
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Mar 7, 2019 07:56
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Oxxidation posted:and like roland jones said, it's hilarious that a suicidal omniscient with no ability or desire to interact with the rest of the universe still feels the need to call incubus a tool Yep. She's pretty much the divine equivalent of an infirm, wheelchair-bound/bedridden centenarian, and nevertheless the moment she saw Incubus for the first time in who knows how long she put all the effort she could into basically yelling "gently caress you" at him. I really want to know just what it is that makes the others all that disdainful of him. When we first saw her and learned of her prophecy, my theory for Jadis was that she totally knows that Zaid isn't the successor but, whether as part of a deliberate deception or simply not caring to correct them, was allowing the other Demiurges to believe he is because she wants Allison to obliterate them all. While we've since learned that at least some others are in fact aware that Allison is the true successor (and a new idea I really like is that most or all of them actually know it but think the others don't and are planning around how to use that knowledge for themselves), this still allows for Jadis to be looking forward to Allison loving up all these assholes she's had to deal with for centuries, if not millennia.
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Mar 7, 2019 08:45
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Joe Slowboat posted:Abaddon once described Incubus' concept as like a 'curdled hero' - someone who was the Chosen One of his story, at some point. I don't know if that's current, but I like the image of Incubus rising to face Maya and claim her key, triumphant and burning with Chosen One ambition, and then she just throws the thing at him and leaves to get shitfaced. Im thinking more that she threw the key at him said gently caress it and tried to leave. Incubus didnt like this, so he tried to forcefully fight her, then she curbstomped him hard and left on her way.
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Mar 7, 2019 09:24
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One thing to remember is that, unless I'm wrong, we don't really have a scope for how long the Universal War raged on for until only the 7 were left. Also yeah, the feeling I get with Incubus is simply that, as far as the other demiurges are concerned, he didn't earn it like they did, so while everyone disrespects Gog-Agog as a demiurge, they don't even see him as one of their own. Which correlates to the idea that Auntie Maya literally just went "gently caress this" at some point and tossed him the key on her way out. If we're going with the curdled hero, I can absolutely see it as him being a grand hero of the Middle Army and fighting and working his way up to the top as a master swordsman, ready to finally challenge Maya...and then she just gives up before he can challenge her.
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Mar 7, 2019 09:58
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I see the idea that Maya abdicated here pretty often but i always got the impression that she was somehow cheated, tricked or otherwise forced out by Incubus. Jadis, who knows everything, calls it a stolen throne and during Incubus and Jagganoth's secret war meeting he says something like "Oh yeah? What's she gonna do about it??" which wouldn't make a ton of sense to say about someone who willingly handed off power. Did I miss something in the comic or somewhere on the Tumblr that points in that direction?
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Mar 7, 2019 10:25
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or, given how mauled he is, he fought and lost and had the key slammed into his head regardless
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Mar 7, 2019 10:28
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Contra posted:I see the idea that Maya abdicated here pretty often but i always got the impression that she was somehow cheated, tricked or otherwise forced out by Incubus. Jadis, who knows everything, calls it a stolen throne and during Incubus and Jagganoth's secret war meeting he says something like "Oh yeah? What's she gonna do about it??" which wouldn't make a ton of sense to say about someone who willingly handed off power. Did I miss something in the comic or somewhere on the Tumblr that points in that direction? There are a lot of ways the current cast has earned their keys or at least their initial stations as demiurges. Mottom killed her husband in his sleep; Mammon literally bought his and paid off people to kill off his rivals. Neither of these speaks to a great deal of direct physical prowess, arguably both are pretty loving cowardly, but it does speak to a certain canniness and will to power. So thematically it fits that Incubus, somehow, did not get his in a way that displays that. Basically, if Incubus had legitimately cheated or tricked or otherwise outsmarted/outplayed Maya for her key, that would be a legitimate succession to power even if it didn't involve directly besting her, but given their contempt and the specific tone of their contempt it stands to reason that he not do that for whatever reason. He clearly wanted it, but he didn't want it badly enough to actually make a move, instead waiting for Maya to just up and leave for whatever reason or under whatever circumstance lead to that. Reene fucked around with this message at 10:49 on Mar 7, 2019 |
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Mar 7, 2019 10:45
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yisun is-one
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Mar 7, 2019 11:07
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would you say that each of the seven so far has seemed rather burdened
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Mar 7, 2019 11:37
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Contra posted:I see the idea that Maya abdicated here pretty often but i always got the impression that she was somehow cheated, tricked or otherwise forced out by Incubus. Jadis, who knows everything, calls it a stolen throne and during Incubus and Jagganoth's secret war meeting he says something like "Oh yeah? What's she gonna do about it??" which wouldn't make a ton of sense to say about someone who willingly handed off power. Did I miss something in the comic or somewhere on the Tumblr that points in that direction? it hasn't been covered in the comic but yeah it's been pretty explicit in the metatext that Maya just bailed on her position one day. The rest don't see it that way but well obviously they can't imagine anyone would just walk away from being a demiurge
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Mar 7, 2019 11:39
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make mockery posted:would you say that each of the seven so far has seemed rather burdened Well none of them seem happy about their state of existence I can say that much. Incubus puts on a brave face/healthy body but only for Alison. Gog is basically "The Joker" version of happy. Solomon lives in denial. Mottom is actively rotting and fast. Senility has stuck the dragon. Crystal lady is clearly unhappy (probably has a heck of an itchy nose) and Jagganoth is working to bring about the destruction of everything, which I take to mean he isn't happy either.
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Mar 7, 2019 12:54
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Contra posted:I see the idea that Maya abdicated here pretty often but i always got the impression that she was somehow cheated, tricked or otherwise forced out by Incubus. Jadis, who knows everything, calls it a stolen throne and during Incubus and Jagganoth's secret war meeting he says something like "Oh yeah? What's she gonna do about it??" which wouldn't make a ton of sense to say about someone who willingly handed off power. IMO he was her trophy spouse and then he got the keys as part of the divorce settlement because he had a very good lawyer.
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Mar 7, 2019 13:08
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Mimesweeper posted:has anyone mentioned Mammom referring to Zoss, the Conquering King who slew all the gods and angels and basically wrecked the entirety of Throne as "that old rapscallion" because for some reason that just makes me love grandpa dragon even more I imagine he even rolled the initial 'r'.
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Mar 7, 2019 15:00
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Cat Mattress posted:IMO he was her trophy spouse and then he got the keys as part of the divorce settlement because he had a very good lawyer. She got the blade of want and the shirt on her back, he got everything else.
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Mar 7, 2019 15:11
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Brought To You By posted:I imagine he even rolled the initial 'r'. Thanks, he's speaking in Sean Connery's voice forever in my head now.
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Mar 7, 2019 15:19
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My bet for why Maya abdicated is her name - "Murder the Gods and Topple Their Thrones." That was what she was working on with the middle army, and when the war ended with the ceasefire she was like, "gently caress this, no, I was here to kill all you fuckers, not become one and maintain the status quo."
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Mar 7, 2019 15:27
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actually on further thought i think incubus just isnt an original signatory of the pact of the seven part world and thats why they all view him as an upstart
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make mockery posted:actually on further thought i think incubus just isnt an original signatory of the pact of the seven part world and thats why they all view him as an upstart He's in the Pact of the Seven Part World flashback panel. I don't think he and Maya ever fought because losing to Maya seems intensely lethal. Think about how Zoss came to meet God, but instead found an empty ruin of heaven: there's a theme in the comic of bursting into a place ready to fight/slay the dragon/etc and what's behind that last door is weirder and less straightforward. It would fit if that happened to Incubus. "Maya! I've come to challenge - wait what the gently caress where is she"
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Mar 7, 2019 16:33
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you all forget that incubus is a terrible swordsman also theres no reason to say that any of the panels in that sequence are to be taken completely literally
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Mar 7, 2019 16:37
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Good noodles are worth more than any kingdoms.
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Mar 7, 2019 16:59
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make mockery posted:you all forget that incubus is a terrible swordsman People are forgetting that he's really good at cutting people down and that's all he really cares about? Well, not the cutting part, the wining part. That's what he cares about.
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Dr Subterfuge posted:People are forgetting that he's really good at cutting people down and that's all he really cares about? Well, not the cutting part, the wining part. That's what he cares about. Meti posted:The weak swordsman clings to victory. He thinks of his life, his obligations, the outcome of the battle, his hatred for his opponent, his training, his pride in his mastery. By doing so, he is an imperfect vessel for the terrible fires of Will. He will surely crack. He will not laugh uproariously if he is cleft in two by his opponent’s blade. When his sword is shattered, his hands will be too reserved to tear his enemies’ flesh. Moreover, only the worst kind of idiot strives to be king.
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Joe Slowboat posted:He's in the Pact of the Seven Part World flashback panel. That doesn't necessarily mean that's how it happened. I take those flashbacks as more representative snapshots of events then actual 100% accurate depictions of them happening.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:That doesn't necessarily mean that's how it happened. I take those flashbacks as more representative snapshots of events then actual 100% accurate depictions of them happening. Sure, but I thought it worth mentioning in any case. Especially since Maya is strongly implied to have been there at the beginning of he Second Conquest, which leaves a lot of space for Incubus to have emerged during the war like Solomon and ended up a signatory.
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Magnus Manfist posted:The universal war was everyone vs absolutely everyone until only the 7 remained, formed a tentative truce and split the keys evenly I'm not sure if the pact came when there were only seven left - I had the impression that the war raged until there were only a handful (but more than these seven), and then these made a pact to get together, defeat the others together because they couldn't do it alone, and split the winnings.
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Isn't there a panel showing a younger Mottom, Jadis, Incubus, etc. All hanging out with Zoss in the background? It may be just metaphorical but it seems to imply the Seven were once allies of a sort. Malpais Legate fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Mar 7, 2019 |
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Mar 7, 2019 19:08
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MonsieurChoc posted:Good noodles are worth more than any kingdoms. poo poo, going to get some noodles now
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Mar 7, 2019 19:22
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Incubus is a poor swordsman, but he is very good at winning swordfights. Maybe he's even the proverbial undefeated one.
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I’m feeling more and more convinced Incubus is the most dangerous of the lot, simply because out of all of them, he’s got a true motivation; Jadis wants to die, Jagganoth wants to do cosmic murder-suicide, Mottom wants to avoid dying, Solomon-David claims he wants to abdicate the throne once a worthy successor arrives but since none are more worthy than he in his perfect judgement that’s not going to happen, Mammon doesn’t even know what the gently caress is happening, and Gog-Agog is nuts. Incubus, though? He wants to win everything.
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Roland Jones posted:Really, what surprised me in this latest comic was Jadis chiming in to slam Incubus. Was she, though? Or was what she said unrelated and only seemed to be about him?
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Mar 7, 2019 20:35
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do keep in mind that so far allison has a track record of igniting demiurges back into one-last-go semblances of their former burning selves cannot wait to see how she turns jadis's world upside-down i wonder what jadis's morality looks like, actually. like, she has some nightmare theocracy thing going on, what are her commandments? what ways would she deem wicked?
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Who What Now posted:Was she, though? Or was what she said unrelated and only seemed to be about him? I'm of the opinion it applies to all of them (arguably not Jadis because while her throne was stolen, she can't do much so I'm gonna give her a pass on wicked ways).
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