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Ghost Leviathan posted:It's basically the Japanese equivalent of cartoon fare, but the games have had human ghosts as well as Pokemon ones, a mountain necropolis in Gen 3 where many trainers are explicitly mourning their dead Pokemon, and at least one case in the anime where a long-lived Pokemon is in mourning or denial of its long-gone trainer. (and I'm sure there's been a Pokemon version of Hachiko) It's basically a franchise about superpowered pets, after all, there's lots of room for sentimentality. Plus there was an anime episode (Sun & Moon series, "One Journey Ends, Another Begins") where a Stoutland is very very heavily implied to die of natural causes, except without anyone ever explicitly referencing death. It was undeniably obvious that the writers wanted to do a story dealing with death, but the network censors didn't. Even the episode's Bulbapedia page simply states that the Stoutland just up and vanished (which technically is what's shown on camera, but come the gently caress on). Hometown Slime Queen posted:I was left unimpressed with HTTYD3 and was glad I saw it on student discount. The Light Fury was not likeable at all beyond 'I am female and I exist'. The villain sucked. Hiccup's friends were barely there and when they were there, they sucked. Once-capable dragon mom didn't really do anything except get owned. Astrid doesn't even have enough of a personality TO suck beyond 'I must get told by his mom to go support him' a few times. The message of the whole series, as other have pointed out, basically went from 'There is hope for us all to exist together and be friends' to 'Nope, it actually sucks, we suck, and we can no longer poison our dragon friends with our suckage because the world sucks'. Yeah, having watched the series "Race to the Edge" on Netflix (which took place between movies 1 and 2, and showed off a bunch of dragons which were never shown in any of the movies), that was my first thought after the movie as well. Both the movies and the series make it pretty clear that the only practical way to stop a bad guy with a dragon (at least without killing his dragon) is a good guy with a dragon. Edit: Speaking of poison, did they even get around to freeing the dragons which secrete the purple mind control juice? I don't recall seeing that happen. Cockmaster fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Mar 4, 2019 |
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Cockmaster posted:Edit: Speaking of poison, did they even get around to freeing the dragons which secrete the purple mind control juice? I don't recall seeing that happen. The last I recall seeing them was when they all get thunderstruck.
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The Light Fury could definitely use some interaction other than 'likes Toothless but also finds him weird and unsocialised, doesn't like humans'. I mean hell, could go with inverting the first movie's ideas where a dragon observes humans and learns about them, rather than having Toothless doing all of the work and the Light Fury only coming to trust Hiccup when it's that or die. The wedding scene was pretty neat at least.
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FronzelNeekburm posted:The last I recall seeing them was when they all get thunderstruck. Buddy  Still no word on a season 2.
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Mar 4, 2019 11:45
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Also I'm still mad at the children's cartoon dragon movie. Why was it that only Hiccup and Astrid got to go see their dragons and also let their kids in on the big dragon secret? What about all the rest of the Berkians who had grown to love their companions and probably missed them terribly? That hardly seems fair. 
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The thing about the Dragons franchise is that it does do a lot of things really well, but then it tends to...well, coast on those things that it does really well to the point that I'm not always sure they understand why those things did so well in the first place. A case that comes to mind is that, in the third film (minor spoilers I guess), at one point Tuffnut is trying to give Hiccup dating tips or something and mentions that Hiccup should lose the limp because it's not attractive. It's intended as just a quippy throwaway line like, haha, Tuffnut is so dumb he forgot Hiccup is missing a leg, haha lol. ...Except, that quippy throwaway line completely forgets about the theme where missing limbs was a whole big part of Berk culture in the first film and a quirky source of pride for the Vikings who live there. Hiccup's limp should by all rights elevate his position amongst his peers, to the point that Tuffnut marking it off as a negative is basically someone telling the local HS football captain that he should stop playing sports man, 'cuz guys who play sports don't get any chicks imiright? It's not the biggest deal in the world, but just a pretty notable case where I'm like, yikes, do you all actually understand your own worldbuilding, here?
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That’s easily reconciled; Hiccup and Tuffnut are young people who came of age after Berk made peace with the dragons. Losing a limb fighting dragons was once seen as a badge of honour, but is now considered passé, a sign of outdated, regressive thinking.
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I haven't watched Dragons 3, based on what people are saying here does the movie seriously end with the dragons being hidden away forever because humanity sucks because I feel like that goes against the entire point of at least the first one.
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Macaluso posted:I haven't watched Dragons 3, based on what people are saying here does the movie seriously end with the dragons being hidden away forever because humanity sucks because I feel like that goes against the entire point of at least the first one. so it's continuing the trend set by the second movie
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Cockmaster posted:Plus there was an anime episode (Sun & Moon series, "One Journey Ends, Another Begins") where a Stoutland is very very heavily implied to die of natural causes, except without anyone ever explicitly referencing death. It was undeniably obvious that the writers wanted to do a story dealing with death, but the network censors didn't. The X and Y games dealt with war and death in its backstory. But they had to avoid any overt references to death. One of the major characters is over 3,000 years old. His Pokemon went off to fight in a war, and died. The game describes him "receiving a box" one day, which is heavily implied to be the deceased Pokemon's casket.
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I mean Pokemon red blue had a bit in that one town where you have to fight the ghost of a marowak that was explicitly killed by team rocket
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HTTYD 3 is about Toothless destroying a lot of happy relationships and an entire social structure 'cause he wanna gently caress.
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that dragon is anything but toothless. savage af
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CelticPredator posted:that dragon is anything but toothless. savage af lol
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Das Boo posted:HTTYD 3 is about Toothless destroying a lot of happy relationships and an entire social structure 'cause he wanna gently caress.
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HTTYD3: It's like the EU broke up because Germany wanted to get into Britain's pants.
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So Cory Loftis posted a bunch of development art from Frozen on artstation: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/RY5EOE And also Zootopia: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/GXz86Q and also Wreck-it Ralph: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/6akb2O I do get really bitchy and negative about Frozen, but the art stuff from it is SO good.
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Cory Loftis is a loving god
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Here’s a question. I watched the Teen Titans Go! ‘The Night Begins to Shine’ four-parter, which does the ‘post-apocalyptic, deserted landscapes, motorbikes, synthrock, magic has come back’ thing (which firmly cements the thing of this show not really being aimed at the kid demographic at all). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR131fc2pZY I’m also a big fan of the American Dad episode ‘Rapture’s Delight’ which uses a lot of the same imagery. But what’s the basis for this shared imagery? Is it just an amalgamation of things people like with no one reference source?
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The_Doctor posted:But what’s the basis for this shared imagery? Is it just an amalgamation of things people like with no one reference source? You have something like Megazone 23 or M.D. Geist taking place in similarly bleak landscapes, and Akira's Cool Bike Gangs that go on and just diffuse through pop culture. I think it'd be hard to pin down a Patient Zero for this stuff, it's really an amalgamation.
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Grabbed Ralph 2, and it was okay? The themes and message was fine, but it was a very clunky execution with weird pacing. Feels like a whole subplot was cut, which may explain it. Also, I feel like Disney expected us to have the same reaction towards internet corporations as old video game characters? Just felt like transparent product placement, especially when they mention YouTube, but use a made-up competitor as part of the plot. Christ, I WISH YouTube had competition. It’s not pervasive, exactly, but distracting at times. The movie is going to age TERRIBLY, though.
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Could you elaborate on the themes and message? If they were executed clumsily, what made the movie okay in you mind? I'm curious, because I can't wrap my head around people liking Ralph 2.
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The_Doctor posted:Here’s a question. I watched the Teen Titans Go! ‘The Night Begins to Shine’ four-parter, which does the ‘post-apocalyptic, deserted landscapes, motorbikes, synthrock, magic has come back’ thing (which firmly cements the thing of this show not really being aimed at the kid demographic at all). It's a lot from Spelljammer and related nerdery that basically sprung out of prog rock album covers.
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FilthyImp posted:Pretty much Mad Max, 80s anxiety about the Cold War and robotic industrialization, and a shitload of anime. Don't forget the extremely weird and  Heavy Metal, which presumably featured lots of deserts because they were easy to animate.
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Deserts do look cool.
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anatomi posted:Could you elaborate on the themes and message? If they were executed clumsily, what made the movie okay in you mind? It's the standard fare "friends drifting apart because differences and coming to terms with it" story you've likely seen a million times. People like those and it's fine. Like the criticisms about consumerism, content, and selling out aren't wrong, but that's not the main point of the movie. It was incredibly obvious from the get go that a lot of the people involved REALLY do not understand the net or how it works since they got so much poo poo wrong and tried to copy and paste a normal story beat, but in the internet world without understanding why that wouldn't work. I found it watchable, but incredibly predictable and bland and lol'd at some of the really misunderstood mechanics and other inaccuracies.
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The theme of WIR2 is the possessive attitude of manchildren towards their key relationships in the face of the uncertainty and hostility of modern internet life and how the onus is on them to recognise those aspects of themselves and develop healthier attitudes even if it makes for unhappiness in the short term and a diminished notion of their own importance. The main clumsiness is that the film doesn't let Ralph be outright Bad for long enough, his realisation and redemption instead comes quite fast with the virus providing a kinda convenient externalising cop-out. But it's a kids film in the end. Fangz fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Mar 7, 2019 |
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Almost every modern post-apocalyptic desert setting was inspired directly or indirectly by The Road Warrior, which itself is an amalgamation of A Boy and His Dog and Death Race 2000, both of which owe a major debt to the creature features from the 50s, which often featured desert settings as well (e.g. Them!). I think it mostly comes down to two things. One, deserts are inherently inhospitable places, so they magnify whatever threat your film wants to present. Two, a post-apocalyptic setting in a city would require expensive sets; it's much cheaper to film the whole thing in a place that looks kind of post-apocalyptic to begin with. Also, American audiences used to love westerns.
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Fangz posted:But it's a kids film in the end. I like substituting other things for the "[x] is bad but it's for kids, so who cares?" "This school is bad but it's for kids, so who cares?" "This pediatrician is bad but it's for kids, so who cares?" "This car seat is bad but it's for kids, so who cares?"
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Das Boo posted:I like substituting other things for the "[x] is bad but it's for kids, so who cares?" It’s not bad for kids, just mediocre and still going to entertain it’s target.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Gary fought an armoured Mewtwo at the Viridian gym and lost badly, but by the time Ash showed up, he was away on business and had Jessie and James fill in for him) I don't think that was armor so much as a restraint system. Also, it was cool as gently caress.
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Pants Donkey posted:They mean that it’s flaws are unlikely to be caught by a child and thus more permissible than a movie aimed at older audiences. i don't think you should lower your expectations for media just because it's geared toward kids. it's not like the average movie goer is much different
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Fangz posted:The theme of WIR2 is the possessive attitude of manchildren towards their key relationships in the face of the uncertainty and hostility of modern internet life and how the onus is on them to recognise those aspects of themselves and develop healthier attitudes even if it makes for unhappiness in the short term and a diminished notion of their own importance. That's not a a theme, that's an over-complicated allegory.
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I think It's For Kids has a point when people are mocking kids for enjoying something that they find inferior because of their massive adult brains. Like it's really weird for me to listen to people griping about the masses loving Frozen or something like that when most of that audience is actual little girls. That said I have no idea how well Wreck It Ralph 2 (or 1 tbh) went with kids.
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To be fair, Ralph is based on 80s and 90s video games, which will appeal more to adults that grew up on them. But, to counter that, the first movie fairly quickly switched to Sugar Rush and had more jokes about candy than anything.
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I mean if we're discussing WIR2 again, I thought the film was better than mediocre, though IDK how I'd compare it to the first film since I haven't seen the first film in a good while. Definitely inferior to Into the Spider-Verse, but I don't really get the vitriol either.
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Shadow Hog posted:I mean if we're discussing WIR2 again, I thought the film was better than mediocre, though IDK how I'd compare it to the first film since I haven't seen the first film in a good while. Definitely inferior to Into the Spider-Verse, but I don't really get the vitriol either. Don't quite get the vitriol either. I do think it was really bland and maybe kind of mediocre, but more in terms of blandness than anything else I do get ALFbrot's post a few pages ago about not portraying stuff from the net as it really is and the whole consumer criticism, but I don't think there was anything insidious per se inasmuch as just regular ignorance about how the internet works and trying to fit a cliche kind of plot(gotta make money fast to pay debt, growing apart and coming to terms with it, etc.) into the internet theme of the film.
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Beachcomber posted:I don't think that was armor so much as a restraint system. A bit of both, they claimed it was meant to channel Mewtwo's power but he figured out pretty quick that it was a restraint, and not an effective one. There's an episode shortly after where Jessie, James and Meowth head back to Team Rocket HQ to watch it blow up and see Mewtwo's exploding the armour off as he flies away. (interestingly enough, basically a scene from the movie from a different point of view) Anime Mewtwo showed up once more in a sequel movie. An interesting theme with anime Mewtwo is that he's not only really, really powerful, quite possibly moreso than most legendaries except the really godlike ones (and possibly competitive even there) but also a lot more... motivated than they are, not content to act like a wild animal, and despite being rather antisocial in personality seems to still need a sense of community, and resolves to look after the clones he's created, though also coming to respect their autonomy and taking care of Pokemon that seek his protection. Basically, even if it's not canon that Mewtwo is part human, there's a lot of overtones that Mewtwo's influenced by humans heavily, for good and bad.
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It's valid to consider whether something was made with children in mind. Using Frozen as an example, it's a kids' movie and therefore it's only barely interested in the political ramifications of the kingdom losing its monarchs, the transition of power, its impact on trade, etc. It's very lightly touched upon to give the villains motivation and that's it. In a movie for adults, I would expect them to expand on that stuff, and I'd see the movie as a bit flawed or, well, "childish" for not doing that. But kids don't know anything about medieval politics, so it would be detrimental to explore that in a kids' movie. The corollary to this it, more movies are childish than we'd like to admit.
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