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Not sure if this is the right thread for this, but I’m posting it here because I was pretty shocked by it: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tomwarren/wwf-world-wide-fund-nature-parks-torture-death Certainly not the first US-based organization to fund atrocities abroad, but if I had made a list of ones likely to do so, WWF would not have been on it.
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Insanite posted:I'm for once happy that Dem leadership is spineless in the face of any heat whatsoever. It rules that they're tied up in knots over the tone ("tropes") of Omar's statement but Marco Rubio tweeted a death threat to a world leader and nobody gives a poo poo.
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Insanite posted:I'm for once happy that Dem leadership is spineless in the face of any heat whatsoever.
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Spoeank posted:It rules that they're tied up in knots over the tone ("tropes") of Omar's statement but Marco Rubio tweeted a death threat to a world leader and nobody gives a poo poo. Yes, but have you considered how republican he is?
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Aside from the whole being a woman, black, muslim, and an immigrant, bit, the real crime of Omar's remarks is that they were completely true and everyone in Washington knows exactly the role that AIPAC plays in American politics. That anyone even takes the conflation of AIPAC with 'all jews' seriously is a complete farce
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Akumu posted:I'll repeat myself from USPol but literally all this study says is, if you train your machine vision on detecting white pedestrians, it will be better at detecting white pedestrians than non-white ones. No poo poo. But there's no claim that any actual self-driving cars have been trained in this way. I hate to get racist adjacent, but the problem is deeper than just "computer scientists are all white". There are major technical hurdles that make identifying a light-skinned person in an image significantly easier than identifying a dark skinned person. Spotting a white person is computationally trivial since pasty white skin stands out against most backgrounds and lighting on it provides a useful boundary. The darker the skin, the less defined those boundaries become, especially on the cameras used for image recognition and the complexity of identifying the face increases exponentially. I know several people working on image recognition based technologies who are are trying to deal with this problem and it is not as easy as just putting more black people into testing. That said, understanding that the problem isn't as simple as "racism!" doesn't mean that it's not vital to address it. This is something that has to be dealt with for any commercial product before selling it to consumers and a lot of people have jumped the gun (that's something I would put down to institutionalized racism).
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I am not an expert but I would expect that robo cars will be better at detecting all varieties of pedestrians than human drivers despite this issue because they have additional sensors like lidar and don't depend solely on vision like we do.
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Just means the people making this stuff ought to be designing to the most difficult parameters, like building a bridge to withstand the upper limit of spec weight + 20% or whatever. You know, doing actual engineering Forgetting black people exist or considering them an edge case is like saying “let’s hope nobody ever wants to drive a big rig on this thing”
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Mar 6, 2019 15:42
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If big rigs were PoC that’s exactly what we’d have.
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Data Graham posted:Just means the people making this stuff ought to be designing to the most difficult parameters, like building a bridge to withstand the upper limit of spec weight + 20% or whatever. You know, doing actual engineering You start by solving the easy part of the problem and then you work on the more difficult aspects. Or to use your bridge analogy, start by designing something that will stay up then work on making it stay up under extreme loads. What you don't do is start building the bridge while your engineers are still working on solving the problem because those big trucks don't really matter.
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Roll Fizzlebeef posted:I am not an expert but I would expect that robo cars will be better at detecting all varieties of pedestrians than human drivers despite this issue because they have additional sensors like lidar and don't depend solely on vision like we do. They lack the human ability to make inferences though. The stereotypical example is a person can see a ball bounce across the street or a parent scrambling to get up while yelling and preemptively slow down because they know a kid is probably about to do something really dumb. The car won't know until the kid actually jumps out from behind a parked car. These systems are best used as supplements to a human driver, where they perform fantastically. The human uses their judgement to slow the car a bit when they see the ball and when the kid jumps out the car systems brake faster and harder than any human ever could. Neither works as well as the combination.
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Silver2195 posted:Not sure if this is the right thread for this, but I’m posting it here because I was pretty shocked by it: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tomwarren/wwf-world-wide-fund-nature-parks-torture-death Unfortunately this story shouldn't surprise anyone involved in international conservation. In many of the most remote reserves Park Rangers are a basically a law unto themselves. The 1988 film Gorillas in the Mist even include scenes in which Sigourney Weaver, depicting an American researcher, burns down a village/camp and stages a mock execution of a captured poacher. When there's no local law enforcement, people resort to settling problems through raw force and intimidation. It's a situation ripe for abuse.
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Roll Fizzlebeef posted:I am not an expert but I would expect that robo cars will be better at detecting all varieties of pedestrians than human drivers despite this issue because they have additional sensors like lidar and don't depend solely on vision like we do. You would expect that, and you would be wrong. Remember that the logic for how to interpret those signals is being written by humans, under time pressure and trying to find a sensitivity setting that doesn't cause the vehicle to refuse to operate in traffic. All under the corporate umbrella of venture capital funded 'disruptors' who need to have a working prototype on the road far before it's ready in order to fuel the next round of funding. Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Mar 6, 2019 |
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Mar 6, 2019 22:57
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Liquid Communism posted:You would expect that, and you would be wrong. Remember that the logic for how to interpret those signals is being written by humans, under time pressure and trying to find a sensitivity setting that doesn't cause the vehicle to refuse to operate in traffic. It's a bunch of white guys in a room trying to figure out how to get it to detect people. They run tests on themselves. It works. Declare victory! I'm sure a lot of the time there's not a single minority in the room where these are being developed, so it just doesn't dawn upon them. Not defending it, I've just been taught to never assume malice when mere incompetence will do!
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Liquid Communism posted:You would expect that, and you would be wrong. Remember that the logic for how to interpret those signals is being written by humans, under time pressure and trying to find a sensitivity setting that doesn't cause the vehicle to refuse to operate in traffic. Well yeah. I was talking about potential. Of course it will be done in the quickest, crappiest possible way that a corporation thinks they can get away with. I just meant that the car could have ways of detecting pedestrians that don't rely on visual information and would not be thrown off by race or appearance. Roll Fizzlebeef fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Mar 7, 2019 |
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Mar 7, 2019 00:32
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Relentless posted:It's a bunch of white guys in a room trying to figure out how to get it to detect people. They run tests on themselves. It works. Declare victory!  Sometimes the problem is just more difficult for certain looks.
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https://twitter.com/Jeopardy/status/1103416223331569664 Alex Trebek has stage 4 pancreatic cancer. 
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Looks like ICE and Trump were targeting journalists and activists who were covering the Caravan
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NmareBfly posted:https://twitter.com/Jeopardy/status/1103416223331569664 Well that's sad to hear. A few years ago a co-worker of mine was on Jeopardy while she was dying of stage 4 colon cancer. It's inspiring, but sad, to see Alex fight to the end like she did.
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Relentless posted:.... Do you work in software development? Because I've never seen a coastal dev team with more than like six people that didn't have an Indian person on it. Indian isn't black, so the point stands, but tech companies making any effort to hire actual talent tend to end up at least a little multi ethnic.
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You're all acting like machine vision is a solved problem, let alone the issue of recognition algorithms laundering creator bias.
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Relentless posted:It's a bunch of white guys in a room trying to figure out how to get it to detect people. They run tests on themselves. It works. Declare victory! Every tech office I've seen has a bunch of Indian dudes in it these days. Tech as a sector may not accurately mirror US population demographics, but it's much more diverse than just a bunch of white guys, especially at the engineer level where all the actual work is done.
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ReidRansom posted:Every tech office I've seen has a bunch of Indian dudes in it these days. Tech as a sector may not accurately mirror US population demographics, but it's much more diverse than just a bunch of white guys, especially at the engineer level where all the actual work is done. Depends on the part of the country I guess. Where I'm at in the MN, it's pretty gross how few engineers I've worked with that are not white dudes.
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Also depends on the industry. Entrenched tech like financial: 95% Indian. Hipster startups: 95% white.
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Data Graham posted:Also depends on the industry. Entrenched tech like financial: 95% Indian. Hipster startups: 95% white. Then where are the rest of the Asians
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Ad tech
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Human driven cars don't recognize black pedestrians either. https://trec.pdx.edu/news/research-investigates-racially-disparate-crosswalk-interactions
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I kinda feel its hubritic if thats a word to assume we can solve a problem it took evolution hundreds of millions of years to do in the next 10 years
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:I kinda feel its hubritic if thats a word to assume we can solve a problem it took evolution hundreds of millions of years to do in the next 10 years And yet airplanes can fly.
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Blue Footed Booby posted:And yet airplanes can fly. So long as you have the petro-chemicals formed over that time to blow on its brief state of being airborne. Probably why evolution hasn’t equipped our planet with very many specie of whale-hawks. Peacoffee fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Mar 8, 2019 |
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Mar 8, 2019 00:36
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Peacoffee posted:So long as you have the petro-chemicals formed over that time to blow on its brief state of being airborne. Imagine a quetzalcoatlus making GBS threads on your car.
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:I kinda feel its hubritic if thats a word to assume we can solve a problem it took evolution hundreds of millions of years to do in the next 10 years the far easier solution is to keep people out of the robot-spaces. this is why many robotic machine tools have sensors which deactivate the machine if a person reaches into the danger zone, or enters the safety cage. you'll get in big trouble if you go into a subway tunnel. more complex autonomous "lights out" warehouses ban humans from the robot working space while the robots are in operation it is a completely silly idea to try to put large, fast moving robots into an uncontrolled space inhabited by people but folks have such a fetish for technology and self driving cars that they don't care if pedestrians get killed, they'll just say the person should have stayed out of the road/crosswalk/sidewalk/yard/really everyone should just stay indoors
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Blue Footed Booby posted:Imagine a quetzalcoatlus making GBS threads on your car. Imagine every one riding their own like cowboys.
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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1103807154186870786 Man, our justice system is hosed up
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The Glumslinger posted:https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1103807154186870786 loving outrageous! EDIT: He has another sentencing coming up though, so still seems likely he'll die in prison even if that judge is lenient too. Charlz Guybon fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Mar 8, 2019 |
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In addition to all the obvious problems with this sentencing, why *47*????? Was that last month to make it an even 4 years excessive or something? Where did this really specific number come from?
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Charlz Guybon posted:loving outrageous! The judge who sentenced him today was insanely hostile to the prosecution from the beginning of the case, and actually had to publicly apologize for being so unprofessional. He's a notorious hack.
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If I recall, it was his DC sentencing that he broke the plea bargain on and stands to go to foreverjail for, and the judge there was significantly less on his side, so keep that in mind before descending into a quagmire of nothing matters.
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Xiahou Dun posted:In addition to all the obvious problems with this sentencing, why *47*????? It's a signal to the ICA
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