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Now admittedly I was already several glasses of wine in when it started, but that was everything I want out of an episode of The Flash
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nooneofconsequence posted:They specifically said the cure was only designed for humans. Ah, true.
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GreenNight posted:Cisco should eat this instead. lol this looks like it was generated by one of those AI bots that just spit out random lists. I love that water is listed twice.
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I am stunned that Cisco didn't volunteer to be the test subject. It seemed like that was totally his arc, yet now it seems like he's perfectly fine with powers again. But hey, whatever, shark vs gorilla fuckin' ruled.
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There's no way the Flash movie will have anything as remotely cool as this fight scene.
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pentyne posted:There's no way the Flash movie will have anything as remotely cool as this fight scene. That’s because the Flash movie will never be made 
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Mar 6, 2019 05:36
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I'm disappointed that when Shay decided to revert the woman didn't say "go get em, tiger shark."
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Mar 6, 2019 05:48
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Guy A. Person posted:lol TBH I don't even care, I'm thrilled that they seriously held Barry accountable for his awfully one-sided heroics for once.
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Mar 6, 2019 07:00
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Ok I'm fine with this episode and all but I guess I missed something that happened where Barry and his daughter went from being immobilized to getting up and throwing lightning bolts around
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Guy A. Person posted:So for the record: Also, what the hell is Cisco and Caitlin's position with regard to weaponising the meta cure? They say they're absolutely against it, but were 100% on board with using it on Cicada against his will, to the point that they acted like Barry was crazy for suggesting giving him a choice?
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WhyteRyce posted:Ok I'm fine with this episode and all but I guess I missed something that happened where Barry and his daughter went from being immobilized to getting up and throwing lightning bolts around I think the explanation is that Grodd was able to overcome their anti-mind control headbands, but only when he was focusing; after King Shark appeared, he took that focus away, which let the Flashes get up again. XboxPants posted:TBH I don't even care, I'm thrilled that they seriously held Barry accountable for his awfully one-sided heroics for once. I appreciate Lyla throwing some shade at him about switching her kid's gender
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Mar 6, 2019 13:08
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Joe must have spent his time in Tibet mainlining cheeseburgers because goddamn that's a big vacation paunch.
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I dunno I got a kick out of Barry's "old trick" just being running at Grodd and punching him. It's the right level of stupid for him. "Barry, is that what Heroes do? Robbing people of choice and forcing their will onto them?" "Hey remember that time my wife literally shot a slightly more evil version of me in the back of the head and we were all cool with it?" On the other hand, that Grodd v King Shark fight was exactly the reason I keep watching the show. That's probably going to be the best part of the season, isn't it?
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Mar 6, 2019 20:18
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Mortanis posted:
Depends Did the Shark Jump? :p
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shades of eternity posted:Depends Barry literally jumped over King Shark last time they fought.
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Actually, I'm starting to think the writers are deliberately messing with the viewers. On the recap, it goes from Barry saying "there's gotta be something we can do outside the box" cutting to Iris straight up stabbing Cicada, which is hilarious. With the punching bag stuff, and everyone here talking about how basically anyone without powers and an ounce of fighting prowess could end this threat in seconds, I'm starting to wonder if the solution is just Iris throwing down with Cicada and beating the crap out of him while everyone watches, stupefied and shocked. After Iris capping Savitar, it'd actually be pretty in character and would be absolutely hilarious.
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Mortanis posted:Actually, I'm starting to think the writers are deliberately messing with the viewers. On the recap, it goes from Barry saying "there's gotta be something we can do outside the box" cutting to Iris straight up stabbing Cicada, which is hilarious. With the punching bag stuff, and everyone here talking about how basically anyone without powers and an ounce of fighting prowess could end this threat in seconds, I'm starting to wonder if the solution is just Iris throwing down with Cicada and beating the crap out of him while everyone watches, stupefied and shocked. Honestly, if this leads into Iris going full vigilante mode, I'd 100% support it. The SOs of the leads for Flash and Arrow are veering off into wild directions and one has the potential to be really good (Iris basically becoming a shoe-in to be an Arrow team member) and the other to be really terrible (Felicity going hyperparanoid and crazy)
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Iris teams up with Manchester Black. Everyone else spends the season hand-wringing about how to beat folks, they grab some guns and get it done.
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Mar 6, 2019 21:39
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I'm glad that Flash exists in the same universe as the Simpsons Meme thread.
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I don’t get the whole drama about the cure. If I rob a bank with a gun, I get the gun taken away from me. If I rob a bank with a laser I can shoot from my butt, I should get the buttlaser taken away from me.
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Mar 7, 2019 07:11
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Tarquinn posted:I don’t get the whole drama about the cure. If I rob a bank with a gun, I get the gun taken away from me. If I rob a bank with a laser I can shoot from my butt, I should get the buttlaser taken away from me. It's not even like X-Men where they're born with the powers (they just don't manifest until puberty). These were just ordinary people who randomly got powers from some crazy science disaster a few months/years ago.
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I mean, it’s a bit more complicated and invasive than confiscating a gun. It’s performing a medical procedure on someone. Bodily autonomy is a thing, presumably, even for supervillains.
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It's just such a weird contrast given how a lot of times in the past defeating the villain involved forcible shutting down their powers anyway or sometimes even outright killing them Season 1 Flash: "He can't shoot lasers from his hands if he has no hands!" Season 5 Flash: "Using an over-the-counter insulin injector to neutralize this guy's shark body is a tricky gray area"
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I think it’s a valid distinction between temporarily counteracting their powers and forcing a treatment on them against their will that permanently changes their biological makeup. And Barry shouldn’t be killing people if he can help it, either, no.
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Phylodox posted:I think it’s a valid distinction between temporarily counteracting their powers and forcing a treatment on them against their will that permanently changes their biological makeup. And Barry shouldn’t be killing people if he can help it, either, no. A: Their biological makeup was already changed, and it turns out it made them super dangerous. I don't see any problem in changing it back. Especially when it's not a "complicated medical procedure", it's just jabbing them with a needle. B: Barry and crew should be killing more and more people each season. Tarquinn posted:I don’t get the whole drama about the cure. If I rob a bank with a gun, I get the gun taken away from me. If I rob a bank with a laser I can shoot from my butt, I should get the buttlaser taken away from me. Yeah, I feel like I said exactly this just a week ago. I would even be in favor of manufacturing a line of giant purple robots to hunt down violent metas who won't take the cure.
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Tarquinn posted:I don’t get the whole drama about the cure. If I rob a bank with a gun, I get the gun taken away from me. If I rob a bank with a laser I can shoot from my butt, I should get the buttlaser taken away from me. It feels more like if someone robbed a bank with kung-fu and they decided to take their arms and legs away.
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Phenotype posted:A: Their biological makeup was already changed, and it turns out it made them super dangerous. I don't see any problem in changing it back. Especially when it's not a "complicated medical procedure", it's just jabbing them with a needle. Jabbing them with a needle is a medical procedure, one you can’t do to just anyone without their express consent. Just because someone was a victim of an industrial accident doesn’t invalidate their right to bodily integrity.
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What if they baked the cure into a delicious batch of macaroons?
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Phenotype posted:A: Their biological makeup was already changed, and it turns out it made them super dangerous. I don't see any problem in changing it back. Especially when it's not a "complicated medical procedure", it's just jabbing them with a needle. It's one thing if it's like, Ralph or something, hard to imagine that's gonna make a difference to who he is as a person if he can't stretchy his nose anymore. But like, what about Grodd? You're basically giving him a forced lobotomy. That's pretty hosed up. Or the example the show gives, of Caitlyn - if the cure worked on someone like her, you'd be erasing an entire person. Even Cecille's powers are pretty strongly integrated into who she is as a person. With someone like Dinah Drake, yeah it's basically like you're just taking her gun away, but with Cecille it's more like you're forcibly removing one of her senses, like you're strapping her down and blinding or deafening her. And it's pretty hard to tell how deeply a power is part of someone unless you actually are them. So in the end yes you are right Flash should just murder them that would be more ethical. 
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Phylodox posted:Jabbing them with a needle is a medical procedure, one you can’t do to just anyone without their express consent. Just because someone was a victim of an industrial accident doesn’t invalidate their right to bodily integrity. What if it were a laser beam? Or what if it were Melting Point's power? Nothing medical about it.
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Also, why didn't they test on Fallout? He's got to be the poster boy for 'wants to get rid of powers' and is still alive at this point.
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Because then you don't get a man shark fighting a telepathic gorilla.
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Mar 7, 2019 21:59
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Fallout's dead. Surprisingly killed by someone other than Barry.
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oh jay posted:What if it were a laser beam? Or what if it were Melting Point's power? Nothing medical about it. You can qualify all you like, it’s still permanently altering their biologies. It’s a violation of bodily autonomy.
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8one6 posted:It feels more like if someone robbed a bank with kung-fu and they decided to take their arms and legs away. But what if the dark matter explosion caused them to lose their regular limbs and they used their new cyborg ones to do kung fu crimes????? Phylodox posted:Jabbing them with a needle is a medical procedure, one you can’t do to just anyone without their express consent. Just because someone was a victim of an industrial accident doesn’t invalidate their right to bodily integrity. Are meta humans still considered humans? Are human rights just for humans? I feel like Barry would exploit this loophole.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Are meta humans still considered humans? Are human rights just for humans? It’s right there in the name.
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Mar 7, 2019 22:42
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The Patriot Act doesn't apply to aliens.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Are meta humans still considered humans? Are human rights just for humans? Aren't they dealing with these EXACT issues on Supergirl? Man, every DC show is dealing with aliens or superpowered humans or some kind of crazy voodoo this season.
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