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Chill la Chill posted:Reading this: http://www.18xx.net/1830/1830f.htm is restrictive/permissive the common language now or is it closed/open? (Tile replacement 1) It's restrictive/permissive. There are probably some non-Internet using groups that still say closed/open.
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Jedit posted:Just got the email from Giochi, Age of Steam Deluxe is live. $64 plus shipping, add $14 if you want miniature wooden trains. You don't want the wooden trains. There's a reason so many people were disappointed that the last EGG edition had plastic trains instead of discs, and it's not that they were plastic.
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Mar 8, 2019 02:56
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Hey I was playing Cuba Libre solo recently as M26 and I'm still pretty bad at insurgents. I feel like they're split between wanting to spread out everywhere and wanting to protect bases, plus they're the only one that can beat back the DR. Any advice on how to disperse your troops?
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Mar 8, 2019 04:38
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StashAugustine posted:Hey I was playing Cuba Libre solo recently as M26 and I'm still pretty bad at insurgents. I feel like they're split between wanting to spread out everywhere and wanting to protect bases, plus they're the only one that can beat back the DR. Any advice on how to disperse your troops? In my experience solo Govt is usually winnable but solo M26 is a crapshoot. It's really easy to get shut out of the western provinces and then you can't really hit the main Syndicate targets or Havana. For using your guerrillas, I think it's fine to leave only 1 guerrilla/base in most cases, and do your best to spread out, because Govt-bot really can't operate in lots of areas at once. The main way to hurt DR is through ambushing their bases when possible, so I would make sure to have underground guerrillas in the area DR usually tries to control -- Camaguey and the surrounding spaces.
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Mar 8, 2019 07:53
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My group, usually 3 or 4 people, loves Kemet but I feel like it's getting a little stale. Is it worth getting Ta-Seti or should we jump into trying Inis? Normally I would just grab the expansion but it's pretty expensive.
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Mar 8, 2019 07:57
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I haven't played Kemet, but from what I know of it they're not super comparable besides ancient theming DOAM. Fighting is less of a given in Inis and is mutually super costly, so if the main thing you like about Kemet is smashing dudes into dudes it'll be a bit of an awkward adjustment. That said, I mostly like Inis. If you like card drafting and politics, it's a good fit.
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Mar 8, 2019 08:03
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werdnam posted:You don't want the wooden trains. There's a reason so many people were disappointed that the last EGG edition had plastic trains instead of discs, and it's not that they were plastic. What was the reason, then?
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Mar 8, 2019 10:07
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I like the train designs for Empyreal Spells & Steam They are good a neat and cool train designs
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Mar 8, 2019 10:21
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Jedit posted:What was the reason, then? My understanding of rhetoric would lead me to conclude it's because they're trains. I guess because they're harder to manipulate than discs. Or because they've always been discs before, who can say. FirstAidKite posted:I like the train designs for Empyreal Spells & Steam The Caterpiller Conveyence Consortium's rolling stock appears to be of a much narrower guage than the other companies. That's gonna cause some problems further down the line.
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Mar 8, 2019 12:11
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Mr. Squishy posted:My understanding of rhetoric would lead me to conclude it's because they're trains. I guess because they're harder to manipulate than discs. Or because they've always been discs before, who can say. Sorry if I was being obtuse. This is why, not more importantly, there are expansion maps that are designed under the assumption you have disks and don't work with plastic trains. I guess those maps could work with these little wooden trains if they're small enough because they are stackable, but I still think disks are better.
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Mar 8, 2019 13:20
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Oh yes, nobody's going to be stacking this little fellow. I was thinking of a plastic version of the tokens from Queen Game's edition of Chicago Express trains, which are 2D. Speaking of fancy models in train games, has everyone seen Ticket to Ride: Anniversary Edition's figs. One of them is a circus truck like from the beginning of Indianna Jones and the Last Crusade. 
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Mar 8, 2019 14:44
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tofes posted:My group, usually 3 or 4 people, loves Kemet but I feel like it's getting a little stale. Is it worth getting Ta-Seti or should we jump into trying Inis? Normally I would just grab the expansion but it's pretty expensive. there's the Seth expansion that turns it into a 1vAll experience but I confess I haven't given it a try yet
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Mar 8, 2019 15:56
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So is it release day for Wingspan? Have we had anyone else play it recently and can weigh in?
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Mar 8, 2019 17:36
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tofes posted:My group, usually 3 or 4 people, loves Kemet but I feel like it's getting a little stale. Is it worth getting Ta-Seti or should we jump into trying Inis? Normally I would just grab the expansion but it's pretty expensive. Yeah, if you like Kemet, Ta-Seti is GREAT. It's more of the same, plus some more other stuff, and while you could say a bunch of the 'other stuff' is superfluous, none of it breaks the tight balance and gives you more stuff to do. The 'more of the same' stuff adds new strategies (again, still feels super balanced) that you need to counter in slightly different ways. It fixes the one issue that I had with base game (namely the endgame) and is just generally all around awesome. I very much enjoy it.
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Mar 8, 2019 17:38
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FulsomFrank posted:So is it release day for Wingspan? Have we had anyone else play it recently and can weigh in? I don't think it's changed since the last time I played it. It's very pretty and a good way to trick family members and other rubes into playing a Euro without noticing, but it's not what you'd call meaty.
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Mar 8, 2019 17:39
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FulsomFrank posted:So is it release day for Wingspan? Have we had anyone else play it recently and can weigh in?
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Mar 8, 2019 18:15
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FulsomFrank posted:So is it release day for Wingspan? Have we had anyone else play it recently and can weigh in? I’m an unabashed Stonemaier stan so I preordered it and we enjoy it. Only played a dozen or so 2p games. Definitely not super meaty or interactive (between other players) but still an enjoyable relaxing euro. You have a very limited number of total actions in the game (21 I think) so it becomes an efficiency puzzle, pretty rewarding when you can line up a round’s worth of turns perfectly. No reason to pay extra for it while it’s hyped up, but with the art and production quality, it’s definitely worth the MSRP.
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Mar 8, 2019 18:39
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Thanks guys. I'll try and find a copy but if not I can wait until they're around. I was just worried that people would be already posting about it being solved or broken or without enough variety.
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Mar 8, 2019 18:41
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It's definitely on the lighter side, but I don't think it's really "solvable" because of how random the birds available are. Also balance seems good overall. There are definitely dominant strategies (egg spam), but they don't seem tremendously far ahead of the baseline and again, they're dependent on getting the right birds. I'll echo Jedit's comments: the game is extremely pretty and the theme is really good and appealing to pretty much everyone. The low complexity is also really good because you can teach the game in under 10 minutes. It's really the perfect way to backdoor a straight euro engine builder into a group of people who are otherwise intimidated by brown boxes with stern 15th century European noblemen on them. I'm really looking forward to the inevitable expansion.
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Mar 8, 2019 19:41
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Ojetor posted:It's definitely on the lighter side, but I don't think it's really "solvable" because of how random the birds available are. Also balance seems good overall. There are definitely dominant strategies (egg spam), but they don't seem tremendously far ahead of the baseline and again, they're dependent on getting the right birds. More than inevitable: announced. The base game includes only North American birds. The expansion plan is to add full sets of birds from other continents, in the process changing up how the game works.
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Mar 8, 2019 20:21
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What I didn't like about Wingspan is that it pretended to have interaction but in reality you'd need to go around the table to see what people had, since the print on the cards is so small. So since no one wanted to do that, it was basically multi-player solitaire.
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Mar 9, 2019 00:24
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Sounds like the Innovation problem. 
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Mar 9, 2019 00:37
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It's the problem with a lot of games, if the deck is big enough and you get enough cards in play. "Oh, you do what now? And then what? Well alright then."
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Mar 9, 2019 00:45
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It's not a problem when cards are designed to have as little text on them as possible.
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Mar 9, 2019 00:46
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Or when you can ignore parts of each card. I admit that I only keep track of offense, defense, and endgame VP abilities when I play Flow of History. In Castles of Mad King Ludwig, you can usually ignore all the completed rooms upstairs. For most role selection games, you only need to know what phase each card gives it's benefit on.
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Mar 9, 2019 03:41
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tofes posted:My group, usually 3 or 4 people, loves Kemet but I feel like it's getting a little stale. Is it worth getting Ta-Seti or should we jump into trying Inis? Normally I would just grab the expansion but it's pretty expensive. Get Ta-Seti. Throw the actual Ta-Seti sideboard in the garbage and use everything else. The black pyramid is fun. You didn't mention owning Cyclades, but I feel like the crossover monster mini-expansion isn't that great. The Seth expansion has been out for months and I still haven't seen any review ITT or from anyone else who's played it.
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Mar 9, 2019 07:31
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Mayveena posted:What I didn't like about Wingspan is that it pretended to have interaction but in reality you'd need to go around the table to see what people had, since the print on the cards is so small. So since no one wanted to do that, it was basically multi-player solitaire. That’s a peeve of mine as well. Compounding that is when cards tend to have rule-bending effects that are impractical to keep track of even if they weren’t spread around on small cards across the table.
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CaptainRightful posted:Get Ta-Seti. Throw the actual Ta-Seti sideboard in the garbage and use everything else. The black pyramid is fun. It sold out very quickly at Spiel. I suspect they didn't make enough of it. Also I get the impression that one versus many is a gimmick that people will be happy to try once when the game gets a bit stale, but it isn't really why they play Kemet.
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Mar 9, 2019 09:48
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Mayveena posted:What I didn't like about Wingspan is that it pretended to have interaction but in reality you'd need to go around the table to see what people had, since the print on the cards is so small. So since no one wanted to do that, it was basically multi-player solitaire. This bothered me less than it does in Terraforming Mars or 4p+ Race/Roll, because I felt like I didn't really care about their tableaux unless they were using an ability that was more directly interactive or reactive, which would be announced. So I didn't feel the need to pore over their stuff. Possibly when playing more this would change, just like beginners don't see interaction in Race or Dominion.
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Mar 9, 2019 11:02
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The drama surrounding this Age of Steam KS is loving amazing. Here is the letter I got from Winsome Games this morning. quote:I suppose with all the hub-bub going on at BGG about Age of Steam that I should say a few words. I don't enjoy this, but it is time, I expect. People have been lied to for far too long. Martin is a ding dong and John is an rear end in a top hat but I have had long discussions with Rick and he is indeed a great guy. . __,_._,___
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People online the KS comments are wanting the discussion to go away and just take it to BGG quietly.  I do think Bohrer’s an rear end in a top hat and Rick gets the benefit of being technically correct here. Wallace seems like he should be considered a child wrt contracts. There’s this old thread on BGG too: https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/587963/john-bohrers-account-permanently-suspended
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CaptainRightful posted:The Seth expansion has been out for months and I still haven't seen any review ITT or from anyone else who's played it. I demoed it at GenCon last year. It seemed.. fine. For what it was. I didn’t play a whole game of it, just enough to get a basic feel. It’s just not at all what I want when I want to play Kemet, so it was a hard pass for me.
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Mayveena posted:The drama surrounding this Age of Steam KS is loving amazing. Here is the letter I got from Winsome Games this morning. Also fits with Peterson's story about paying for Mediation to settle AoS dispute and Wallace getting ruled against as well.
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We've occasionally talked about board games and litigation before (my previous post about copyright and patent, around the time of Oink and Bezier's dustup). We know Khet successfully won a patent suit. My guess in that case is that he patented the laser device itself, though I could not find anything online that would let me look at the actual patent. Can any patent savvy goons out there tell me if you can actually patent a game itself? If it had to be a device, I can't imagine what exactly about Age of Steam could be patented. I've never played it, but is just a normal board game, right? I can't imagine it has a Pop-o-matic bubble or anything (Though that would apparently be more of a trademark thing? poo poo's complicated, yo.)
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Magnetic North posted:We've occasionally talked about board games and litigation before (my previous post about copyright and patent, around the time of Oink and Bezier's dustup). We know Khet successfully won a patent suit. My guess in that case is that he patented the laser device itself, though I could not find anything online that would let me look at the actual patent. Can any patent savvy goons out there tell me if you can actually patent a game itself? If it had to be a device, I can't imagine what exactly about Age of Steam could be patented. I've never played it, but is just a normal board game, right? I can't imagine it has a Pop-o-matic bubble or anything (Though that would apparently be more of a trademark thing? poo poo's complicated, yo.) I did a little digging in the past and you can definitely patent a novel component, and arguably you could patent a provably novel mechanic (see Wizards of the Coast and their patent on tapping cards) it’s not possible to patent the game and its rules. So I could make a version of Monopoly with a new board, new art, rewrite the rules like I wrote my high school essays and call it “rear end in a top hat Realtors”, and there’s not much Hasbro can do.
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Mayveena posted:The drama surrounding this Age of Steam KS is loving amazing. Here is the letter I got from Winsome Games this morning. I don't believe a single word of this. If Bohrer had proof that he was the real designer of AoS then EGG wouldn't have offered Wallace credit and royalty on the 2009 edition; they wouldn't have had to. E: the letter, that is, not Mayveena's post.
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Mayveena posted:The drama surrounding this Age of Steam KS is loving amazing. Here is the letter I got from Winsome Games this morning. With how Winsome works I’m imagining this was an actual paper letter.
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admanb posted:With how Winsome works I’m imagining this was an actual paper letter. He sent it to everyone on the Winsome newsletter lol
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Triskelli posted:I did a little digging in the past and you can definitely patent a novel component, and arguably you could patent a provably novel mechanic (see Wizards of the Coast and their patent on tapping cards) it’s not possible to patent the game and its rules. So I could make a version of Monopoly with a new board, new art, rewrite the rules like I wrote my high school essays and call it “rear end in a top hat Realtors”, and there’s not much Hasbro can do. Hasbro can sue you for any number of things in that case. Even if you're right, there's a good chance you can't afford to defend yourself.
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EGG has made an update concerning this: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/eaglegryphon/age-of-steam-deluxe-edition/posts/2441217 I'm glad they are responding, even if it's to reiterate their same position years ago. They seemed to try to ignore attempts to raise the issue in their comments.
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