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Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
https://twitter.com/MeghanMcCain/status/1104075694823346178

The Americans are so much worse at this than our lot and our lot called a dead Holocaust survivor an Anti Semite.

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Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Marxist-Jezzinist posted:

Its run by come local antifa people and it's mostly running around a sweaty church hall and shadowboxing while a terrifying skinhead yells encouragement

The antifascist thing is it's explicitly about making everyone a more effective antifascist. Developing comradeship and stuff I guess

sounds really cool imo

OwlFancier posted:

I don't think I'd be any good at combat sports because I find it hard to separate hitting people from wanting to murder them. Which is why I don't hit people.

extremely :goonsay:

"I probably shouldn't do any aerobic exercise because I would be too effective as a killing machine. nothing personnel kid, heh"

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
yeah, see these fists? I had to register them as lethal weapons m8

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Failed Imagineer posted:

extremely :goonsay:

"I probably shouldn't do any aerobic exercise because I would be too effective as a killing machine. nothing personnel kid, heh"

No as in I can't really get the idea of volunteering to use force on people you don't actively wish harm to. I get that people apparently do it I just don't get it at all.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

OwlFancier posted:

No as in I can't really get the idea of fighting people you don't actively wish harm to. I get that people apparently do it I just don't get it at all.

I'm only messing anyway.

Having done karate to black belt as a young 'un, it's just fun! It has the same dopamine rush as scoring a goal or beating someone in Mario Kart, but you get a workout at the same time.

Also karate is an especially useless martial art and I wish I'd spent my time doing something more fighty, but I guess learning how to be somewhat mindful about fighting was good as a teenager

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

OwlFancier posted:

No as in I can't really get the idea of volunteering to use force on people you don't actively wish harm to. I get that people apparently do it I just don't get it at all.

I guess you've not played many sports then?

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь

OwlFancier posted:

No as in I can't really get the idea of volunteering to use force on people you don't actively wish harm to. I get that people apparently do it I just don't get it at all.

makes perfect sense as practice for punching nazis

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Nope. I did briefly get roped into doing judo as a child. Extremely briefly.

I did mean it when I said the notion of competition-for-fun was really weird. It's something you have to do day to day, obviously, but I don't get enjoying it against people you actually like. Same with fighting.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Mar 8, 2019

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

Failed Imagineer posted:

I'm only messing anyway.

Having done karate to black belt as a young 'un, it's just fun! It has the same dopamine rush as scoring a goal or beating someone in Mario Kart, but you get a workout at the same time.

Also karate is an especially useless martial art and I wish I'd spent my time doing something more fighty, but I guess learning how to be somewhat mindful about fighting was good as a teenager

Ditto. My punch sport was Tae Kwon Do which is hilariously impractical as a real life fighting technique - I didn't do the Olympic style at least, which is hilariously so, because punches to the head are not legal. I got to black belt level, but it's been ten years, so my skills are well out of touch, and I'd want to do something a little more focused on real life if I was going to do anything.

But then, if I was actually going to be in a riot the last thing I'd want to use to hit things is my body parts.

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

OwlFancier posted:

I don't think I'd be any good at combat sports because I find it hard to separate hitting people from wanting to murder them. Which is why I don't hit people.

Sounds like you have some anger issues if you think a tackle will naturally lead you to throttling someone to death

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

JFairfax posted:

I guess you've not played many sports then?

What a monstrously leading question.

Gonzo McFee posted:

https://twitter.com/MeghanMcCain/status/1104075694823346178

The Americans are so much worse at this than our lot and our lot called a dead Holocaust survivor an Anti Semite.

They're getting much more push back. In the UK the chattering classes all joined in because they hate Corbyn.

Regarde Aduck fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Mar 8, 2019

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

thespaceinvader posted:

Ditto. My punch sport was Tae Kwon Do which is hilariously impractical as a real life fighting technique - I didn't do the Olympic style at least, which is hilariously so, because punches to the head are not legal. I got to black belt level, but it's been ten years, so my skills are well out of touch, and I'd want to do something a little more focused on real life if I was going to do anything.

But then, if I was actually going to be in a riot the last thing I'd want to use to hit things is my body parts.

Yeah I can't roundhouse kick someone in the head anymore, but doing a fighty thing just demystifies the whole process of hitting somebody in the face. The average bloke on the street will push and shove and make themselves big but it's a basic primate thing to not throw the first punch. Once you get past that you're a lot better at defending yourself, but also at just walking away and not getting involved. I'm a freakishly tall person anyway so nobody ever tends to want sum

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

OwlFancier posted:

Nope. I did briefly get roped into doing judo as a child. Extremely briefly.

I did mean it when I said the notion of competition-for-fun was really weird. It's something you have to do day to day, obviously, but I don't get enjoying it against people you actually like. Same with fighting.

I mean usually you don't fight people you like.

but there are lots of sports, and indeed situations, where you have to exert force against someone where you're not trying to hurt them.

Being in a big crowd at a gig is one i can think of.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

You have, astonishingly, hit upon something else I've not seen the appeal in particularly.

thespaceinvader
Mar 30, 2011

The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

Failed Imagineer posted:

Yeah I can't roundhouse kick someone in the head anymore, but doing a fighty thing just demystifies the whole process of hitting somebody in the face. The average bloke on the street will push and shove and make themselves big but it's a basic primate thing to not throw the first punch. Once you get past that you're a lot better at defending yourself, but also at just walking away and not getting involved. I'm a freakishly tall person anyway so nobody ever tends to want sum

I can still turning kick my own head height (and I'm over six foot) but it's a fabulously stupid thing to do in an actual fight. But the basic sparring stuff is still there, including a good guard position and good punches and elbows.

The best possible defence though is just loving running.

But yeah, I'm starting to think I should get back into some proper practice.

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-

Failed Imagineer posted:

Having done karate to black belt as a young 'un, it's just fun! It has the same dopamine rush as scoring a goal or beating someone in Mario Kart, but you get a workout at the same time.

Mate I'm sure karate is fun and all but let's not go overboard, Mario Kart is the purest of sports and to crush Bowser, see Mario and Yoshi driving behind you and hear the lamentation of Peach and Daisy is what is best in life.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

OwlFancier posted:

You have, astonishingly, hit upon something else I've not seen the appeal in particularly.

is your life spent sitting in an upright chair - NOT TOO COMFORTABLE - reading marxist tomes and not much else?

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

big scary monsters posted:

Mate I'm sure karate is fun and all but let's not go overboard, Mario Kart is the purest of sports and to crush Bowser, see Mario and Yoshi driving behind you and hear the lamentation of Peach and Daisy is what is best in life.

Now imagine following that up with a devastating right hook to your opponent's skull

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Hell no I slouch everywhere and watch marxist youtube videos.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

JFairfax posted:



Being in a big crowd at a gig is one i can think of.

i'm really good at this, you have to combine a badgering "pardon. pardon. excuse me. thank you" with physically moving motherfuckers out of the way and being totally unwilling to let them move you.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

JFairfax posted:

Study, do an Open University course or two.

As a matter of interest, was the OU free before all this tuition fee bullshit popped off? And more importantly will it be free in the era of Glorious Jam Socialism? I'm long past the age where a degree will have any material effect on my job prospects, but I'd really love to actually challenge myself a bit with one, but the costs are prohibitive for what would basically be a little time-filler for dull Tuesday nights.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

OwlFancier posted:

Hell no I slouch everywhere and watch marxist youtube videos.

Learn tai chi so you can use taoist principles to flip dudes who throw a punch at you

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Failed Imagineer posted:

Now imagine following that up with a devastating right hook to your opponent's skull

I don't know about you but Mario Kart games often ended with that as well.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

namesake posted:

I don't know about you but Mario Kart games often ended with that as well.

Yeah that was the image I was going for :shrug:

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-

Failed Imagineer posted:

Now imagine following that up with a devastating right hook to your opponent's skull

I don't think my girlfriend would play Mario Kart with me any more if I did that, she's a bad loser as is.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Failed Imagineer posted:

Now imagine following that up with a devastating right hook to your opponent's skull

Wait is that what people were talking about when they said "Donkey Punch"? Man no wonder I never get invited to play Nintendo any more.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

goddamnedtwisto posted:

As a matter of interest, was the OU free before all this tuition fee bullshit popped off? And more importantly will it be free in the era of Glorious Jam Socialism? I'm long past the age where a degree will have any material effect on my job prospects, but I'd really love to actually challenge myself a bit with one, but the costs are prohibitive for what would basically be a little time-filler for dull Tuesday nights.

I have no idea if the OU was free.

However, I managed to get a loan which I never intend on paying back to cover my recent studies.

So basically, I went to uni in like 2001-2003 and completed 1.5 years worth of study.

Then in 2012 I did 2 OU modules which I paid for (with an employer paying half) taking me up to 2 years worth of study credits.

I chose an OU Open Degree which is not a named degree, but allows you to maximise the credits you got from previous study, and then chose the modules that you wish to study, essentially creating your own degree.

You can get a loan for an Open Degree, I was able to because I had paid off the previous 2 years worth of loans (about 6k total because back then my fees were 1.5k a year iirc).

Also because this was still technically my first degree.

SO I end up in 2017 doing what amounted to a full time final year of uni, with 4 modules from the OU (Data Management, User Interface Design, Software Engineering and Marketing + Finance) and I got a loan for this which covered the whole thing, so I paid nothing out of pocket for the OU stuff.

I don't really intend on paying the loan back.

This is the sketchiest degree ever, but I have parlayed it into studying a masters in Data Science remotely with Edinburgh University.

Annoyingly because this course is up to 6 years I can't get a loan, because for post-grad stuff they only give loans for part time study up to 3 years.

I need to speak to the administrators to try and sort this, but it's not been top priority yet.

I don't really think of the student loan as a loan, because if you are earning under the threshold you don't pay, and if you never pay it back there's no problem.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
So if you don't already have a degree I think it's almost certain that if you live in England or Wales you can get a loan to study as part of a degree with the OU. Or indeed any other university degree, but the OU is super easy and really well setup for distance learning.

I cannot comment on what it's like if you are in Scotland or NI.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

JFairfax posted:

I have no idea if the OU was free.

However, I managed to get a loan which I never intend on paying back to cover my recent studies.

So basically, I went to uni in like 2001-2003 and completed 1.5 years worth of study.

Then in 2012 I did 2 OU modules which I paid for (with an employer paying half) taking me up to 2 years worth of study credits.

I chose an OU Open Degree which is not a named degree, but allows you to maximise the credits you got from previous study, and then chose the modules that you wish to study, essentially creating your own degree.

You can get a loan for an Open Degree, I was able to because I had paid off the previous 2 years worth of loans (about 6k total because back then my fees were 1.5k a year iirc).

Also because this was still technically my first degree.

SO I end up in 2017 doing what amounted to a full time final year of uni, with 4 modules from the OU (Data Management, User Interface Design, Software Engineering and Marketing + Finance) and I got a loan for this which covered the whole thing, so I paid nothing out of pocket for the OU stuff.

I don't really intend on paying the loan back.

This is the sketchiest degree ever, but I have parlayed it into studying a masters in Data Science remotely with Edinburgh University.

Annoyingly because this course is up to 6 years I can't get a loan, because for post-grad stuff they only give loans for part time study up to 3 years.

I need to speak to the administrators to try and sort this, but it's not been top priority yet.

I don't really think of the student loan as a loan, because if you are earning under the threshold you don't pay, and if you never pay it back there's no problem.

Like I say though, this is purely a thing to challenge myself and really can't be bothered paying for it when £6k will buy me an awful lot of video games, guitars, and random bike parts.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Like I say though, this is purely a thing to challenge myself and really can't be bothered paying for it when £6k will buy me an awful lot of video games, guitars, and random bike parts.

I guess it depends whether you can get a loan and whether you earn enough to pay it back?

like if you can get a loan and earn under the threshold, it's essentially free.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

JFairfax posted:

I guess it depends whether you can get a loan and whether you earn enough to pay it back?

like if you can get a loan and earn under the threshold, it's essentially free.

I'm into the upper income tax band so I'm fairly certain I'd have to pay it back.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

JFairfax posted:

like if you can get a loan and earn under the threshold, it's essentially free.

one weird trick, banks HATE him

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
OU is very expensive. Also the way you can do courses has become much more proscribed. I signed up in 2013 for an Open Degree, but instead of being able to do a fairly random selection of courses (obviously at the requisite levels) - I'm old, I have degrees falling out of my ears, they now have these 'pathways'. I was also cheesed off with the initial bunch of short courses I did - no individual marking, no individual commenting on submitted work, just a generic report at the end covering the entire cohort and you were supposed to pick out what you thought might relate to your submission. And the cost - phew!

If you are interested in doing a degree, quite a number of universities do distance learning degrees now.

If you don't need the piece of paper, you could also check out some of the free open courseware eg MIT or Sanford (not sure which British unis might do it). You get the lectures, the course assignments and all, you just don't get things marked by tutors and no certificate at the end.

Alternatively, there are quite cheap short courses on Future Learn and other platforms if you're interested.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Like I say though, this is purely a thing to challenge myself and really can't be bothered paying for it when £6k will buy me an awful lot of video games, guitars, and random bike parts.

but if you want free stuff to challenge yourself, look up 'Short courses' Loads of universities offer free short studies, where you dont get a qualification

MIT: https://ocw.mit.edu/index.htm

Oxford: https://www.edx.org/school/oxfordx

Cambridge (not free but cheap) https://www.ice.cam.ac.uk/courses/search/type/online-course

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe
According to the online tracker my pizza delivery guy is currently in the middle of the Thames heading upstream at some speed :ohdear:

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

goddamnedtwisto posted:

According to the online tracker my pizza delivery guy is currently in the middle of the Thames heading upstream at some speed :ohdear:

Sounds like your Pizza has been stolen by the Jet ski bandits.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

OU is very expensive. Also the way you can do courses has become much more proscribed. I signed up in 2013 for an Open Degree, but instead of being able to do a fairly random selection of courses (obviously at the requisite levels) - I'm old, I have degrees falling out of my ears, they now have these 'pathways'. I was also cheesed off with the initial bunch of short courses I did - no individual marking, no individual commenting on submitted work, just a generic report at the end covering the entire cohort and you were supposed to pick out what you thought might relate to your submission. And the cost - phew!

If you are interested in doing a degree, quite a number of universities do distance learning degrees now.

If you don't need the piece of paper, you could also check out some of the free open courseware eg MIT or Sanford (not sure which British unis might do it). You get the lectures, the course assignments and all, you just don't get things marked by tutors and no certificate at the end.

Alternatively, there are quite cheap short courses on Future Learn and other platforms if you're interested.

yeah, the OU is basically the same price as studying with a regular university now.

I would say, based on my limited experience, that they are v. good with regards their online setup and approach to distance learning.

My Edinburgh online stuff is across about a dozen website and a bit janky in places, the OU has a v. good integrated online infrastructure.

Also some courses are definitely better than others, but that is going to be true of any university.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I would suggest taking cover behind something as you are about to receive pizza via that speedboat from the james bond movie opening crashing through your window.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

OwlFancier posted:

one weird trick, banks HATE him

oh there are definitely a couple of banks that hate me lol

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