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El Gallinero Gros posted:Say Bosa goes #1, like everyone assumes, is the smart pick Allen or Quinnen Williams for SF? They could use a another pass rusher but DL is a need too.. Isn't everyone assuming that Murray is going 1?
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mcmagic posted:Isn't everyone assuming that Murray is going 1? Draft media are really trying to push it but Bosa is the top talent. It's Garrett and Kissing Titties all over again.
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Mar 8, 2019 19:41
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I really don't think you can possibly go wrong choosing between Bosa, Allen and Williams. All three are immediate impacts.
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Mar 8, 2019 19:42
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mcmagic posted:Isn't everyone assuming that Murray is going 1? That's news to me, but if AZ wants to hand SF Bosa I won't complain
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Mar 8, 2019 19:44
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kiimo posted:I really don't think you can possibly go wrong choosing between Bosa, Allen and Williams. All three are immediate impacts. These guys going 1-2-3 is worst case scenario for the raiders @ 4
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Mar 8, 2019 19:46
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Blitz7x posted:These guys going 1-2-3 is worst case scenario for the raiders @ 4 If that's how it plays out do you think they'd take Devin White or maybe someone like DK Metcalf?
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Mar 8, 2019 19:47
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wandler20 posted:If that's how it plays out do you think they'd take Devin White or maybe someone like DK Metcalf? Devin White or edge rusher would be my choice. DK is another draft media hype guy that has no business in the 1st half of the 1st.
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Mar 8, 2019 19:49
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If Murray isn't top 3 won't gruden draft him and jettison Carr?
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Mar 8, 2019 19:50
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mastershakeman posted:If Murray isn't top 3 won't gruden draft him and jettison Carr? Draft defense and tank for Tua but we know Gruden wont do the smart thing.
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Mar 8, 2019 19:51
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Blitz7x posted:These guys going 1-2-3 is worst case scenario for the raiders @ 4 Passing on any of these guys and then taking a QB or DK Metcalf is extremely on-brand for the Raiders.
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Mar 8, 2019 19:57
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kiimo posted:Passing on any of these guys and then taking a QB or DK Metcalf is extremely on-brand for the Raiders. Yeah, it's also been going around lately at just how... poor the 1st round WR's have been overall: 2014 was a great year, but outside of that, the hit rate is just awful. pre:Year # Rec Yards TD 2018 24 D.J. Moore 55 788 2 2018 26 Calvin Ridley 64 821 10 2017 5 Corey Davis 99 1266 4 2017 7 Mike Williams 54 759 10 2017 9 John Ross 21 210 7 2016 15 Corey Coleman 61 789 5 2016 21 Will Fuller 107 1561 13 2016 22 Josh Doctson 81 1100 8 2016 23 Laquon Treadwell 56 517 1 2015 4 Amari Cooper 278 3908 25 2015 7 Kevin White 25 285 0 2015 14 DeVante Parker 163 2217 9 2015 20 Nelson Agholor 185 2152 15 2015 26 Breshad Perriman 59 916 5 2015 29 Phillip Dorsett 95 1237 6 2014 4 Sammy Watkins 232 3571 28 2014 7 Mike Evans 395 6103 40 2014 12 Odell Beckham 390 5476 44 2014 20 Brandin Cooks 360 5147 32 2014 28 Kelvin Benjamin 209 3021 20 2013 8 Tavon Austin 202 1829 14 2013 27 DeAndre Hopkins 528 7437 47 2013 29 Cordarrelle Patterson 184 1872 10 2012 5 Justin Blackmon 93 1280 6 2012 13 Michael Floyd 266 3959 25 2012 20 Kendall Wright 339 3858 19 2012 30 A.J. Jenkins 17 223 0
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Mar 8, 2019 20:04
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Al Davis has been dead for almost 8 years
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Mar 8, 2019 20:04
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Play posted:But everyone's doing it to a different extent and it's impossible to tell exactly how much. Some poor suckers might not be doing it at all!! I would assume most guys that are serious about getting drafted probably get put through a pre-combine prep course/workout by their agents and if they don't I guess they just didn't want it bad enough
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Mar 8, 2019 20:05
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Tua is worse than kyler and just as fragile
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Mar 8, 2019 20:06
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Carr had an MVP caliber year in 2016, got hurt in 2017 and took nearly 60 sacks in 2018 while getting used to Grudens system and the worlds loving worst defense. Grabbing a QB instead of a blue chip defender would be monumentally stupid
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Mar 8, 2019 20:07
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I agree, the Raiders should keep starting Carr, for as long as possible
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Mar 8, 2019 20:08
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He's not without fault
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Devin White or edge rusher would be my choice. DK is another draft media hype guy that has no business in the 1st half of the 1st. I agree with you on DK but it's the Raiders and Gruden we're talking about here.
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Mar 8, 2019 21:25
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The cap penalty for releasing Carr drops off next year, so it makes sense to at least keep and start him for one more season.
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Mar 8, 2019 21:39
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DariusLikewise posted:The cap penalty for releasing Carr drops off next year, so it makes sense to at least keep and start him for one more season. Yup, this is truly Carr's make or break year.
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Mar 8, 2019 21:42
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Kalli posted:Yeah, it's also been going around lately at just how... poor the 1st round WR's have been overall: Moore and Ridley both look the goods.
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Mar 8, 2019 22:22
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BlindSite posted:Moore and Ridley both look the goods. Woof. Is AJ Jenkins buff yet?
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Mar 8, 2019 22:28
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BlindSite posted:Moore and Ridley both look the goods. I'd argue Corey Davis, Mike Williams, and Fuller also all are quality so far. Neither Davis or Williams quite lived up to being top 7 picks so far, but solid starting WR2s at least for sure. I don't know about other positions, but a hit rate of like 50% or whatever of "first round WR becoming a long term NFL starter" doesn't seem catastrophic.
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sourdough posted:I'd argue Corey Davis, Mike Williams, and Fuller also all are quality so far. Neither Davis or Williams quite lived up to being top 7 picks so far, but solid starting WR2s at least for sure. I don't know about other positions, but a hit rate of like 50% or whatever of "first round WR becoming a long term NFL starter" doesn't seem catastrophic. Iirc only linebackers and offensive lineman have a better first round hit rate than WRs.
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Blitz7x posted:These guys going 1-2-3 is worst case scenario for the raiders @ 4 There's no way that's gonna happen. At least 1 if not 2 QBs will likely be gone by then. Blitz7x posted:Carr had an MVP caliber year in 2016, got hurt in 2017 and took nearly 60 sacks in 2018 while getting used to Grudens system and the worlds loving worst defense. Grabbing a QB instead of a blue chip defender would be monumentally stupid "Monumentally stupid" is exactly the phrase that comes to mind when I think about the Raiders. So I'm not gonna write off the possibility of this exact thing happening
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Mar 8, 2019 23:57
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Carr is a poor mans Alex Smith. Dink and dunk passer who is terrified of the pass rush and can’t make any plays outside of structure. Alex didn’t weep on the field though, even when his leg broke in half
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Play posted:There's no way that's gonna happen. At least 1 if not 2 QBs will likely be gone by then. There'd have to be a trade up and really all of them should stand. 1. Cardinals 2. 49er's 3. Jets
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Blitz7x posted:Carr had an MVP caliber year in 2016, got hurt in 2017 and took nearly 60 sacks in 2018 while getting used to Grudens system and the worlds loving worst defense. Grabbing a QB instead of a blue chip defender would be monumentally stupid
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https://twitter.com/JPFinlayNBCS/status/1104165856366551045?s=19
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SHOAH NUFF posted:Carr is a poor mans Alex Smith. Dink and dunk passer who is terrified of the pass rush and can’t make any plays outside of structure. Alex didn’t weep on the field though, even when his leg broke in half He had the yips for a good chunk of last season but he came on toward the back end. He can definitely be a successful QB if he's given at least some form of aid from his supporting cast.
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Kalli posted:Yeah, teams are in 11 personnel over 2/3rds of the time, and if you line up in a base defense against it, congrats you've got a linebacker on a WR and just gave up a 12 yard completion.
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That 2016 WR class was so hyped up and they’ve all busted so badly except I guess Will Fuller.
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mastershakeman posted:If Murray isn't top 3 won't gruden draft him and jettison Carr? Jon Gruden and Rookie QBs are like oil and water
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Woo boy being banned during the combine stunk cus theres a lot of misconceptions going on right now. D.K. Metcalf - Everyone needs to go watch tape on him right now. He's quick and fast as gently caress. His 40 time looked exactly like how he runs in game. He's a bit of a chest catcher but his hands are stick'em. His three cone drill was a gently caress up but it's not indicative of who he is as a player. His feet are perfectly fine and I'm pretty sure people dogpiling on it are following the opinion of some bad draftniks. Kyler Murray, Drew Lock, Haskins, et al - This is a super weak QB draft class it turns out. Haskins has a lot of work to do with throwing under pressure and pinpointing passes. Lock looked more impressive than him and might go ahead of him. Kyler Murray not throwing is a big deal. He's not a superstar QB and agents are feeding him bad advice right now. Any news of Kliff being obsessed with him seems like a total smoke screen. Also reiterated his height isn't the issue and all this nonsense about him decompressing his spine or whatever is taking away from the fact that he bulked the gently caress up and then refused to run drills. 205 isn't his playing weight. O-line - Stuffed to the brim, almost as much as WRs. Not top heavy though but solid talent throughout. Jawaan Taylor came in with weight questions but it's been a while since I've seen a big man like him move like he does. Cody Ford and Chris Lindstrom might have to kick inside at guard but I like their versatility. Greg Little's gonna rise, I don't know why he's so low right now. Prototypical LT that ate up a ton of good pass rushers. Yodny Cajuste is gonna be a question mark. He has the build of a LT but he might end up on the strong side. Mitch Hyatt looked so much smaller than everyone else, that was weird. Zedrick Woods and fellow workout warriors - Beware. This guy couldn't cover or tackle for poo poo at Mississippi. 40's are improving across the board every year because from the periods of their last bowl game til the combine anyone taking the draft seriously is running the 40 every day over and over again working on their get off, stride, and finish. 40 is the king maker. Wide Receivers - There's gonna be like 10 drafted in the top 75. Probably more. Don't be surprised to see guys like Parris Campbell or Emmanuel Hill drop a bit. I feel like teams are wary of deep threat only guys because more and more teams are moving to double high safety. Also on the topic of busting round 1 WRs, once again go look up the bust rate of every other position and you'll see it's similar. Waiting to draft skill position players in the later rounds is a silly notion that comes up over and over again by goons who think you should only take linemen until the 5th round. Linemen - They're really freaking good this year. Dexter Lawrence is dropping for no reason, same with Clelin Ferrell. Montez Sweat is a workout warrior but he's also awesome on the field. Great dip and pursuit, definitely translates the drills to game. Brian Burns stinks, don't drink the poison. He'll get stood up all day long in the NFL. Nick Bosa is the real #1 pick but he might compete with Josh Allen of all people, not Quinnen Williams, although this all seems like a preference thing. The only reason I'd put Williams over Bosa is versatility preference and Allen over Bosa if you want an insanely good edge rusher who can move around on the line too. Rashan Gary rising up again is a good thing, that guy has the best stick tackle in college football. He just absorbs anyone he targets. LBs - Devin White and Devin Bush, both tackling machine LBs. Good combines should solidify their first round status. I'm glad Blake Cashman did well he deserves good things. Tiny, tiny hands though, that was a weird measurement I wasn't expecting. Same with Ben Burr-Kirven. He's another guy that looks undersized but plays with the heart of a lion if that lion is also good at football. David Long proved his status as a gap shooter, it'll be neat to watch a tiny man squirrel past NFL linemen. He's got some weird power and ability to drive olinemen too. DBs - David Long (DB this time) had a good combine. Harbaugh raved about him a lot as a shutdown corner. Darius West was a guy who stood out watching Josh Allen film. Heat seeking missile in the box. Juan Thornhill is gonna be a first round prospect hopefully. I can't wait to watch this guy ballhawk in the pros his get up is nuts and he fits the stupid double high safety that all teams are running now. I think this is a draft low on RBs and QBs so the draft media is going nuts right now since they all have no clue how the top 10 is gonna shake out. All this Kyler Murray talk is making me hate him as a prospect even though he's a really good prospect, just not nearly worth a #1 or even being the first QB off the board. Inversely I could see this mimic 2005 and have Kyler go #1 simply because no one else is worth it. Also Josh Rosen is twice the prospect he is and the Cardinals would be a bunch of idiots to trade him.
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I want to hear more on why you think Brian Burns "stinks".
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I think Kyler Murray is going to suffer due to his poor interviews. Then again there are so many smokescreens going around, it is hard to know what is true.
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He’s going to Arizona. I’m a huge fan of Gary @ 13. No chance we see Dexter Lawrence imo he’s too talented to drop to 10.
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I'm still not used to picking this late in the draft, I kind of want a Tackle at 17.
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Oh wow most mocks have Gary top 10 and Lawrence dropping?
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Amy Pole Her posted:Oh wow most mocks have Gary top 10 and Lawrence dropping? Ed Oliver is the drop that keeps baffling me Edit: dunno if Samuel Gold doing Jonah Williams got posted yet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCvrHo-oelg Ches Neckbeard fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Mar 9, 2019 |
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