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Bhodi
Dec 9, 2007

Oh, it's just a cat.
Pillbug
keep assing

don't stop, won't stop assing

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cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




CommieGIR posted:

Keepass and Mooltipass are still acceptable, right?:ohdear:

mooltiwhat now

BangersInMyKnickers
Nov 3, 2004

I have a thing for courageous dongles

URL grey tea posted:

we have to turn off the lastpass browser extension whenever we don't need it or the laptop fans immediately spin up and stay that way for hours. good product.

we're doing a bunch of garbage math for no reason as a sidechannel protection mechanism YOURE WELCOME

BangersInMyKnickers
Nov 3, 2004

I have a thing for courageous dongles

Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:

i've been yelling against using it since release. they've been hacked multiple times, glossed over what was impacted then, and designed the vault to allow online-only access with bypasses for the master key, 2fa or region locks

please just go with 1password or keepass

the recent stuff about pretty much every single one of these not properly purging key material from memory (even when records aren't being accessed or the whole thing is locked) was extremely depressing

Plank Walker
Aug 11, 2005

CommieGIR posted:

Keepass and Mooltipass are still acceptable, right?:ohdear:

i use moviepass to keep my passwords safe, they're all on a post-it note under a seat in theater 3 at the local amc loews

univbee
Jun 3, 2004




Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:

it was just 2017 when taviso had a glance at it and found a rce:

thanks

i'll stick with 1password

i think i just won't actually install it on my desktop

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

LordSaturn posted:

keep rear end is good poo poo but not something I want to train my parents to use.

have you considered upgrading your parents instead

univbee
Jun 3, 2004




Soricidus posted:

have you considered upgrading your parents instead

every day :smith:

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb
A piece of graph paper, a set of dice, and a personal cypher algorithm for the hand written passwords.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

cinci zoo sniper posted:

mooltiwhat now

https://www.themooltipass.com/

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

Salt Fish posted:

A piece of graph paper, a set of dice, and a personal cypher algorithm for the hand written passwords.

step one: buy an enigma

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



Lain Iwakura posted:

this is a lastpast-free zone

overeager overeater
Oct 16, 2011

"The cosmonauts were transfixed with wonderment as the sun set - over the Earth - there lucklessly, untethered Comrade Todd on fire."





"this is in a book."

ErIog
Jul 11, 2001

:nsacloud:

Salt Fish posted:

Which libxml cve are you worried about specifically? Asking about them generically is like asking a doctor who never met you if you should be taking prescriptions.

I asked about them generally after reading what they were, and I'm not that worried about any of them. My question was more about how people deal with this situation on the compliance end of things in general because I imagine this situation is the state of most packages in most Linux distros.

Is everyone just doing what ratbert suggested and compiling poo poo from source so they exchange known low/medium known CVE's with unknown zero days or is there a standard way people say, "This is the current state of things. It's not the best, but it's also just not that critical for our specific usage. This not only affects RHEL but also Debian. Considering the number of CVE's this package generates on a regular basis, I am not comfortable installing the most recent version in its untested state."

Or did I just answer my own question?

ErIog fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Mar 9, 2019

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb

ErIog posted:

I asked about them generally after reading what they were, and I'm not that worried about any of them. My question was more about how people deal with this situation on the compliance end of things in general because I imagine this situation is the state of most packages in most Linux distros.

Is everyone just doing what ratbert suggested and compiling poo poo from source so they exchange known low/medium known CVE's with unknown zero days or is there a standard way people say, "This is the current state of things. It's not the best, but it's also just not that critical for our specific usage. This not only affects RHEL but also Debian. Considering the number of CVE's this package generates on a regular basis, I am not comfortable installing the most recent version in its untested state."

Or did I just answer my own question?

99% of compliance scanning companies pretend to not know what back porting is, then pretend not to know what low severity is, then make you file exception requests. They charge money at each step like they're hocking used cars and then go tell your management about how many vulnerabilities they got you to fix so they can do it on a quarterly cadence.

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

gently caress that poo poo, use a proper hardware credential system:

ZeusCannon
Nov 5, 2009

BLAAAAAARGH PLEASE KILL ME BLAAAAAAAARGH
Grimey Drawer
What if you have mac can you keepass then

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

get meow this wack-ass crystal prison
just use family 1password

CRIP EATIN BREAD
Jun 24, 2002

Hey stop worrying bout my acting bitch, and worry about your WACK ass music. In the mean time... Eat a hot bowl of Dicks! Ice T



Soiled Meat
i use family 1password and that payment was worth not dealing wish dumbullshit

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER

CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:

i use family 1password and that payment was worth not dealing wish dumbullshit

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






BangersInMyKnickers posted:

the recent stuff about pretty much every single one of these not properly purging key material from memory (even when records aren't being accessed or the whole thing is locked) was extremely depressing

They should have done a better job but realistically if you have that kind of access to a machine you can just as easily install a keylogger and steal the passphrase and exfil the database file.

Beamed
Nov 26, 2010

Then you have a responsibility that no man has ever faced. You have your fear which could become reality, and you have Godzilla, which is reality.


CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:

i use family 1password and that payment was worth not dealing wish dumbullshit

Achmed Jones
Oct 16, 2004



this made me remember that I’m not at oldjob any more so I made the switch off of lastpass

feels p good

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

florida lan posted:

gently caress that poo poo, use a proper hardware credential system:



that subtitle is all wrong, it’s “leeloo dallas multipass.“, a three-component proper name

ewiley
Jul 9, 2003

More trash for the trash fire

CommieGIR posted:

Keepass and Mooltipass are still acceptable, right?:ohdear:

RE: mooltipass, i actually bought one to play around with at work. Maybe I didn't give the ~open source hardware~ long enough, but it just struck me as a dumb idea to go through all the trouble of using a smart card/pin/clunky device to unlock a bunch of static strings. It's like one giant work-around so you don't have to remember your unlock passphrase. I think you'd have to have a weirdly-specific use-case to find the mooltipass useful given all the annoying drawbacks. Like managing the keephrases to all your offline HSM's or something where you 100% trust the hardware you plug this USB device into not to be a keylogger. I wish we'd just have U2F for everything so I can just plug-in a USB drive to 2FA my pornhub premium account or w/e but here we are.

Thanks for listening to my TED talk.

CRIP EATIN BREAD
Jun 24, 2002

Hey stop worrying bout my acting bitch, and worry about your WACK ass music. In the mean time... Eat a hot bowl of Dicks! Ice T



Soiled Meat
yubikey owns as an ssh key

ewiley
Jul 9, 2003

More trash for the trash fire

CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:

yubikey owns as an ssh key

I love yubikeys: totp, PIV smart card, u2f, NFC, even comes in a tiny form factor where you just shove it in the USB port so your stupid ham fisted admins can't break it off. My only gripe is the PIV functionality is a little dodgy sometimes, but lol smartcards.

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:

yubikey owns as an ssh key

the hardware is super flaky tho. I've had 3 fail so far with no discernable reason.

EssOEss
Oct 23, 2006
128-bit approved

ErIog posted:

how people deal with this situation on the compliance end of things in general because I imagine this situation is the state of most packages in most Linux distros.

I have only dealt with PCI DSS compliance so YMMV but PCI is NOT at all about "you can't have vulnerabilities". It is about "you need to be aware of vulnerabilities and address them in the proper way", where "the proper way" can just be "acknowledge they exist and accept the risk" (hopefully after verifying the risk is negligible).

For sure there are plenty of pointy haired bosses who just see it differently but tht's not compliance, that's incopetent bosses.

ErIog posted:

Is everyone just doing what ratbert suggested and compiling poo poo from source so they exchange known low/medium known CVE's with unknown zero days or is there a standard way people say, "This is the current state of things. It's not the best, but it's also just not that critical for our specific usage. This not only affects RHEL but also Debian. Considering the number of CVE's this package generates on a regular basis, I am not comfortable installing the most recent version in its untested state."

Or did I just answer my own question?

Sounds like you did. Compliance processes are there to try to force blissfully ignorant companies into acting with some awareness of the risks that affect them. Evaluating the CVEs and going "yeah we're good" is exactly the right approach for you, it sounds.

Xarn
Jun 26, 2015

jit bull transpile posted:

the hardware is super flaky tho. I've had 3 fail so far with no discernable reason.

Interesting, I am on my second YubiKey so far, but only because my kid managed to lose the first one.

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av

jit bull transpile posted:

the hardware is super flaky tho. I've had 3 fail so far with no discernable reason.

uh wow. good thing I bought a couple spares then...

Beccara
Feb 3, 2005
I just wish it had GIDS rather than PIV, Native no software needed 2fa login for windows is pretty sweet

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

hackbunny posted:

uh wow. good thing I bought a couple spares then...

my current one will randomly refuse to register until I reboot my machine. v annoying

ewiley
Jul 9, 2003

More trash for the trash fire

AV scan said clean, NO COLLUSION.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

i've never had any yubikey fail, though every once and a while it seems to lock up and I have to unplug and plug it back in :shrug:

ZeusCannon posted:

What if you have mac can you keepass then

there's a version called macpass that I use that may or may not have gaping security flaws since i've never seen anyone actually look at it closely but god is the UI just so nice, like it's way better than the default keep rear end UI

Bhodi
Dec 9, 2007

Oh, it's just a cat.
Pillbug
https://keepassxc.org/ is what I use for mac

akadajet
Sep 14, 2003

Bhodi posted:

https://keepassxc.org/ is what I use for mac

nice goatse mirror

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

akadajet posted:

nice goatse mirror

dsyp

30 TO 50 FERAL HOG
Mar 2, 2005



wait you have a Mac and you aren't using iCloud Keychain ????

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Janitor Prime
Jan 22, 2004

PC LOAD LETTER

What da fuck does that mean

Fun Shoe

BIGFOOT EROTICA posted:

wait you have a Mac and you aren't using iCloud Keychain ????

I also use windows and Linux. keepAss on Dropbox works across all 3 and my phones as well

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