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V. Illych L. posted:you have your aaron banks types, surely, or the wetherspoons bloke Yeah but, like, if posh horsefuckers tittering at you and capital gains tax are the worst things you have to worry about, that's class in action, innit? Some of us have posh horsefuckers hawing at us and no loving money.
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radmonger posted:.5% of the £96 billion annual pension budget would actually be enough to buy a squadron of F35s ($96 million each), so I don’t think it counts as petty cash. radmonger posted:One day, the world will be a classless society of aristocrats. Everyone will have equally massive wealth by right, and will be free to pursue the hobbies that interest them without financial reward. The trick is getting to there from here; its not like it can be done by simply gradually expanding the number of life peerages awarded each year. ThomasPaine posted:It's quite interesting because I suppose what we have here is an almost dual class system - the 'British class system' which is all culture and breeding and borderline feudal in character, and the more precisely defined Marxist notion. They're related though separate concepts, and I often feel that one of the major problems we have in British discourse is that we never clearly distinguish between them, so debate often becomes a load of people talking past each other.
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ThomasPaine posted:Actually, it's 'exploiting the labour of others' vs. 'selling your labour', and this is for some reason difficult for people to understand because some of the former like chips and some of the latter like wine You don't get to be in the 'have so much money you can literally never spend it all' class without exploiting others' labour, and by and large you remain in the 'have money' class if you choose not to.
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Ash Crimson posted:What are you trying to say? Thig Ar Latha
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Pretty sure Marx was convinced the UK would be the first to experience revolution because of how developed its industrial capitalism was compared to elsewhere? He certainly would have been shocked that it ended up being Russia.thespaceinvader posted:You don't get to be in the 'have so much money you can literally never spend it all' class without exploiting others' labour, and by and large you remain in the 'have money' class if you choose not to. True that.
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It's a shame he died because I would have really liked to see what he thought of leninism. In my mind it's probably just that video of the plane crashing into the forest with the guy going "ohhh nooo". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAg-WauGrLU OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Mar 11, 2019 |
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Tuned into parliament tv a few minutes ago and the first question I hear read out in the house of commons is about the anime dating sim doki doki literature club, lmao.
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Rookoo posted:Tuned into parliament tv a few minutes ago and the first question I hear read out in the house of commons is about the anime dating sim doki doki literature club, lmao. Wtf really? What time?
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Rookoo posted:Tuned into parliament tv a few minutes ago and the first question I hear read out in the house of commons is about the anime dating sim doki doki literature club, lmao. Isn't that 2 or 3 years old? loving Nora.
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ThomasPaine posted:Wtf really? Round about 15:16 I think? Dunno if you can rewind while it’s still live.
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ThomasPaine posted:Pretty sure Marx was convinced the UK would be the first to experience revolution because of how developed its industrial capitalism was compared to elsewhere? He certainly would have been shocked that it ended up being Russia. British society has inoculated itself with bizarre class ideas and is bad is where I'm going with this, the sort of thing that cultural Marxism (actual cultural Marxism, not whatever nazis and Gordon the Lobster think it is) tries to provide an analysis for. Rookoo posted:Tuned into parliament tv a few minutes ago and the first question I hear read out in the house of commons is about the anime dating sim doki doki literature club, lmao. 
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Barclay is my local MP. I did not vote for him. [edit] I hope Tom Watson dies in a hell fie because he's a oval office. [edit] Alcoholand Tegretol makes my s`hands shake.
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ThomasPaine posted:It's quite interesting because I suppose what we have here is an almost dual class system - the 'British class system' which is all culture and breeding and borderline feudal in character, and the more precisely defined Marxist notion. They're related though separate concepts, and I often feel that one of the major problems we have in British discourse is that we never clearly distinguish between them, so debate often becomes a load of people talking past each other.
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Petition to call the rump state of the UK post brexit Alcoholand.
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we should go back to basics in brexit Britain and rename the country Albion again.
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OwlFancier posted:Yeah but, like, if posh horsefuckers tittering at you and capital gains tax are the worst things you have to worry about, that's class in action, innit? Yes, but it's also worth considering the flip-side - being poor with a posh RP accent is absolutely playing on easy-mode. People give you far more leeway in pretty much every scenario.
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Darth Walrus posted:Yes, but it's also worth considering the flip-side - being poor with a posh RP accent is absolutely playing on easy-mode. People give you far more leeway in pretty much every scenario. Unless you went to the sort of school where RP was the norm, which is a far more material advantage for later life.
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lmao https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1105128746422550534 she's just tottering along in her own little world
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No idea if embedding video works on these hellforums so here. https://twitter.com/MonsNoobis/status/1105130000309780482
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and sending an undersecretary wtf https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1105129547492663296
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OwlFancier posted:Petition to call the rump state of the UK post brexit Alcoholand. Poundland.
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Rookoo posted:No idea if embedding video works on these hellforums so here.
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Darth Walrus posted:Yes, but it's also worth considering the flip-side - being poor with a posh RP accent is absolutely playing on easy-mode. People give you far more leeway in pretty much every scenario. I mean, as passably posh RP accent on demand haver, it sort of helps but it doesn't actually fix your lovely circumstances. I would not call it "easy mode" because "easy mode" is being born into money. Having useful social traits might give you a slight edge in some situations over other working class people but it is absolutely not a substitute in any way for real capital or connections. To the point I find it to be a pretty useless distinction, quite honestly. Like I'd rather have one when talking to the cops or something and I definitely am glad I'm not black and therefore far less likely to be murdered by the cops or random people on the street but the reason there are so many working class people in varying flavours of poo poo is because of the rich fuckers. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Mar 11, 2019 |
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thespaceinvader posted:Poundland. Yes
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Guavanaut posted:Are they paying for that ad? The commons trembles in the wake of Gabe Newell.
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OwlFancier posted:I mean, as passably posh RP accent on demand haver, it sort of helps but it doesn't actually fix your lovely circumstances. It’s like playing on “Hurt Me Plenty” instead of on “Ultraviolence”.
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thespaceinvader posted:Poundland. Poundlanded in the Butt By Brexit
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Also to be quite honest even the RP accent is of limited use. I've stopped using it most of the time because a cheeky chappie northern twang gets you better results and less likely to have your head kicked in round here.
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Anecdotal, but. I have quite a posh accent (for reasons that escape me- none of my family has such a strong one) and went to public school. Where I was mercilessly bullied for most of my time there, primarily for my accent. Lots of kids from super rich jewish families who came from the mean gangster-ridden streets of Hampstead Garden Suburb making like they were from da ghetto despite getting a Mercedes for their 17th and so on. Nowadays being unemployed and long-term sick while living om a pretty lovely estate, I still sound like I stepped out of PG Wodehouse. Oddly my younger brother who went to a full on boarding school with the future queen came home from his first term sounding like a squeaky-voiced thug. Regarding leeway.. eh. Sometimes a posh accent does help, but I've had a lot mlre grief and negative reactions to mine than positive ones. Well, unless you're in America where it really is social-God-mode. My accent got me laid so much when i was travelling there as a younger man that I was only part joking when I used to call those jaunts sex-tourism.
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WhatEvil posted:It’s like playing on “Hurt Me Plenty” instead of on “Ultraviolence”. There was a pretty good long read on the Guardian on this (taken from a book on the topic), the thrust of which is that the main advantage is one of opportunity - it doesn’t make you succeed, it just gives you far more chances in which to succeed. I’m sure this is no surprise to anyone in the thread, but I’d recommend it all the same: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/feb/07/the-class-pay-gap-why-it-pays-to-be-privileged
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Yeah you have to tailor it to your audience. Some people respond well to a posher voice, some people prefer a more informal one. Knowing when and being able to switch is the better skill.
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img the joker from the dark knight saying “we live in a society” gamer gang weed meme
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Failed Imagineer posted:Poundlanded in the Butt By Brexit Pounded in the butt by some people more inclined to pound pigs heads in the mouth until my butt is Poundland. Nominated for a Hugo award.
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My theory: May isn't in Strasbourg, she's just absent from the question in order to embarrass everyone who had pre written speeches addressing her.
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My accent is like a sponge. I tend to unconsciously adopt the inflections of whoever I'm talking to. Like if I'm talking to my American supervisor I'll hear myself slightly extending my vowels like him. Likewise, if I'm talking to my city friends it switches to contracting vowels. I think it's a defence mechanism.
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Think that's fairly normal, I do it too. Which is why I don't like spending long away cos I come back sounding like some kind of mutant.
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Bedshaped posted:My accent is like a sponge. I tend to unconsciously adopt the inflections of whoever I'm talking to. I do the same, but with dialectical elements. It's a loving miracle I didn't get stabbed working in a supermarket in Glasgow.
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glad that the ukmt agrees that because i sell my labour as a hedge fund quant, i am working class
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Rookoo posted:No idea if embedding video works on these hellforums so here. Where does she go with this?!
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Necrothatcher posted:Where does she go with this?! Basically says it's dangerous for children to be playing games like that and gets a wishy washy answer in response.
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