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Where are they even going with Xenonauts 2? I haven't kept up with that at all. Is it like Apocalypse?
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Mar 14, 2019 03:39
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It's the exact same scenario as the first game.
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Mar 14, 2019 03:41
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Yeah as far as I can tell it's just the same game as the first one but improved. How? I dunno. I haven't heard anything.
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Mar 14, 2019 03:54
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I also hear tales they changed the art direction of this game?
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Mar 14, 2019 03:58
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Just as a heads up, Xenonauts 2 is launching into early access in 3 months. Currently they're still in 'Kickstarter backer beta'. Its basically the same game as before (XCOM in the Cold War) but with better alien designs and mechanical improvements ... That they're still mostly testing and change pretty frequently.
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Mar 14, 2019 04:00
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Well there are a few changes. It's set in the '80s instead of the '70s, and they're making a big deal out of some kind of infiltration mechanic where you have to balance the Warsaw Pact vs NATO, with the aliens trying to start WW3 or some such. Looks like they're grabbing the antfarm base style from XCOM instead of the old top down X-Com model, that kind of thing. Oh and guys, they swear that THIS time air combat won't suck! But since I really enjoyed Xenonauts 1 as a game that was similar to XCOM and XCOM 2 to scratch the same itch but different enough to keep my attention, I've got moderately high hopes for Xeno2. That said, I see that the date I saw for release appears to have been sadly optomistic, so it'll probably be awhile yet. May still beat Phoenix Point to the punch, though.  https://www.strategygamer.com/articles/xenonauts-2-release-date/
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Mar 14, 2019 04:20
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if i can storm an alien ufo with riot shields and stun sticks and beat a bunch of fool-rear end xenos senseless while yelling at them to stop resisting long after they have ceased being capable of providing resistance all will be well
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Mar 14, 2019 04:34
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Coolguye posted:if i can storm an alien ufo with riot shields and stun sticks and beat a bunch of fool-rear end xenos senseless while yelling at them to stop resisting long after they have ceased being capable of providing resistance all will be well Pretty much the real test for any x com clone right there, take note Julian.
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Mar 14, 2019 04:56
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Wait, I have to give my bank info for the refund? Even if I pre-ordered through Xolla (or however you spell that)?
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Mar 14, 2019 05:26
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Coolguye posted:the payment from epic to secure the exclusivity is not going to be shared with the fig investors to anyone's knowledge. they certainly didn't bring that up at the AMA and that would be one of the first things i'd talk about in this situation, rather than offering a 'full refund' if you just provide your banking information to this random shady third party! That seems to contradict this post: grrarg posted:Fig has since posted that the money from Epic (and I guess Xbox gamepass?) will count towards the revenue split for investors with more details to come. Still a lovely thing for Gollup to do.
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Mar 14, 2019 05:36
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Personally I'm regretting not investing at the base level. At the least you'd probably break close to even on it and get an almost free game out of it.
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Mar 14, 2019 05:43
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Fuzz posted:I mean, I'm sorry you're really upset about it but I probably wasn't even going to play it for a few years anyway since my backlog is stupidly ridiculous. I'm still fine supporting this kind of game and as a guy that has consoles I basically don't care about exclusivity crap.
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Mar 14, 2019 07:18
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Please don't descend into lovely ironyposting slapfights.
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Mar 14, 2019 08:05
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Bremen posted:That seems to contradict this post: oh i missed that development! thanks.
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Mar 14, 2019 08:08
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Shine posted:Please don't descend into lovely ironyposting slapfights. Fair. I shouldnt have taken the bait. Apologies.
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Mar 14, 2019 08:20
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Coolguye posted:if i can storm an alien ufo with riot shields and stun sticks and beat a bunch of fool-rear end xenos senseless while yelling at them to stop resisting long after they have ceased being capable of providing resistance all will be well Don't forget discovering that the "serious threats" your alien riot police has bashed unconscious were alien non-combatants after all. I hope they'll have the same level of modding / Community edition they had for the first one. I wonder what national law would apply for international backers on Fig and I wonder where the company investors buy shares of is based in.
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Mar 14, 2019 11:47
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Subjunctive posted:Fig investors buy shares in a separate company which has rights to some of the game’s revenue. They do not own any part of Snapshot, and do not have any corporate information rights for Snapshot other than as related to audit provisions regarding revenue accounting. It’s pretty clear in the agreement, IIRC. It would have been shocking if they’d put even a janitorial services deal at risk in order to bring the Fig investors into the loop. xeno 2 put out a backer update changing the antfarm design back, and delaying early access launch. in return if you paid for early access and expected it they're giving closed beta keys out instead
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Mar 14, 2019 12:13
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Endymion FRS MK1 posted:Wait, I have to give my bank info for the refund? Even if I pre-ordered through Xolla (or however you spell that)? Yes. Because they decided it's "easier" to use some third party refund company, which they also use to transfer their wages around or something.
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Mar 14, 2019 12:25
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:yeah i keep putting quotes around fig investors for a reason. it's a very misleading game they're playing and i was curious if they gave then more info leading up to the decision pre-nda What do you think is misleading about it? I thought the descriptions were pretty clear, and it matches how I understand many financing vehicles to work in the entertainment industry (and I think real estate to some degree). You’re not taking a meaningful equity stake in the studio, just buying into a profit sharing vehicle. The term sheet basically just screams risks and limitations at you the whole time. I don’t expect to get inside info from the execs at the companies that a Vanguard fund holds shares in either, and that’s actual equity. You’d know if Fig investors had got more info because it would have been public instantly, of course.
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Mar 14, 2019 12:29
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Apparently, everyone is really mad that the game went to the Epic Launcher..... but why? Like, who loving cares? You probably already have Origin, Steam, Uplay and some other garbage platform if you play games at all. Whats the complaint here? Tencent? Lol - they own an absurd amount of companies in the video game industry and largely do not involved themselves in running anything outside of China. If you are worried about the Chinese government spying on you, I got hot news for you - they already have your porn stash. Yes, all of it. This backlash is insane. Captain Gordon fucked around with this message at 12:38 on Mar 14, 2019 |
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Mar 14, 2019 12:30
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Der Shovel posted:Yes. Because they decided it's "easier" to use some third party refund company, which they also use to transfer their wages around or something. They very likely do not have much of a finance department to do the work. I’m not sure you want them grabbing random artists and producers so they can do their very first EFT with your refund, either.
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Mar 14, 2019 12:31
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Subjunctive posted:What do you think is misleading about it? I thought the descriptions were pretty clear, and it matches how I understand many financing vehicles to work in the entertainment industry (and I think real estate to some degree). You’re not taking a meaningful equity stake in the studio, just buying into a profit sharing vehicle. The term sheet basically just screams risks and limitations at you the whole time. I don’t expect to get inside info from the execs at the companies that a Vanguard fund holds shares in either, and that’s actual equity. I think a lot of this is gamers not really getting what the fig investing actually is, and legitimately thinking they're shareholders or the like and that they have some sort of vested stake in the game. The fact that they're offering refunds on the shares at all speaks volumes about how it really works, and the finance company charging processing fees is just a matter of course for this sort of thing. Don't like paying fees to people solely for handling your money? Don't invest in things.
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Mar 14, 2019 12:45
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Fuzz posted:I think a lot of this is gamers not really getting what the fig investing actually is, and legitimately thinking they're shareholders or the like and that they have some sort of vested stake in the game. The fact that they're offering refunds on the shares at all speaks volumes about how it really works, and the finance company charging processing fees is just a matter of course for this sort of thing. Don't like paying fees to people solely for handling your money? Don't invest in things.
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Mar 14, 2019 14:21
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I love how sketchy this entire enterprise is if you look at it for 30 seconds. You've got a Bulgarian software developer with an expat frontman recognized by like 5% of PC strategy gaming grognards launching a nostalgia project. They fund their project through a crowdsourcing platform nobody has heard of on the basis it would have a wide release on Steam and GOG, then out of nowhere decide to make their game a 1 year exclusive for a z-grade distribution platform most PC gamers don't even know exists. All of which is linked to a sketchy Chinese company, because of course it is.
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Mar 14, 2019 15:04
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:yeah my thoughts on misleading are more the use of investor when none of the legal protections and obligations apply For sure, but isn't that more the fault of Fig? I've never looked at any other campaigns on their site, don't they all do the "investor" thing? My thought process at the time of backing was just to get the game, particularly because their entire definition of investor was suspect, but yeah, it would not surprise me if some more projects go south and there's a class action suit against Fig over using misleading terminology. At least the PP guys are being nice enough to offer refunds, I can't wait to watch the utter shitstorm that spins out from some other company dropping the ball on that front.
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Mar 14, 2019 15:18
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So, I'm not really familiar with Epic's privacy policy (or lack thereof) that I hear folks referencing. Can someone briefly summarize? I'm just curious. Is it really that shady?
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Mar 14, 2019 15:48
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Captain Gordon posted:Apparently, everyone is really mad that the game went to the Epic Launcher..... but why? Like, who loving cares? You probably already have Origin, Steam, Uplay and some other garbage platform if you play games at all. Whats the complaint here? Tencent? Lol - they own an absurd amount of companies in the video game industry and largely do not involved themselves in running anything outside of China. Because Epic Launcher sucks and doesn't have near the user base that Steam does, and a big thing about Fig funding is that the funders expect to get a cut of the profits from sales which the game is not going to get at all because Epic's exclusivity contract means they get all the money from the sales instead so the people expecting a return are basically out of money and the devs have blown off their concerns and actually straight up said they don't need them anymore, and they won't be able to get the Steam or GOG version as promised and also they did all this secretly without informing their backers. Also as a result this is illegal somewhere. Other people are mad because the Epic Launcher sucks and if you're not in a first world country you might not be able to get the game at all and also it's going to be way more expensive there compared to any other game. Other people are mad because Epic is more or less trying to reignite the console wars for even less benefit to the consumers. I don't know the details on the privacy policy thing except that it's probably illegal in Europe. Everyone in general is mad because the devs have lied and been real stupid shitheads about the whole affair. And is probably did something illegal in Europe.
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Mar 14, 2019 17:21
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I still want to know how it's gonna work out with multiplayer. Because a lot of these games going Epic exclusive already use the Steam backend and if Steam wants to, it can absolutely just decide that games that are Epic exclusive aren't allowed to use their backend. This would then force Epic to build a competing multiplayer system and then devs will have to choose one when they begin development.
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Mar 14, 2019 17:41
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Captain Gordon posted:Apparently, everyone is really mad that the game went to the Epic Launcher..... but why? Like, who loving cares? You probably already have Origin, Steam, Uplay and some other garbage platform if you play games at all. Whats the complaint here? Tencent? Lol - they own an absurd amount of companies in the video game industry and largely do not involved themselves in running anything outside of China. man just loving read the last page or two of this thread if you want to drop some "WAT UP W/EGS Y U H8" post at this point, multiple people have explained why it makes them uncomfortable about a dozen times from various different angles, and all explained without any kind of shouting or theatrics. it's absurd that people like you keep rolling in here like it's some sort of basement dweller meltdown when you're the one using all the stupid hyperbole tactics. i have "hot news" for you while we're at it: if you think people are concerned about their porn stash or any other single point of data, you have no idea what the privacy concerns actually look like. none whatsoever. if you make the evaluation in your own mind that their steady stream of free games is appropriate compensation for what they're using your identity for (do you actually have any clue?) then fine, cool, more power to you, man. but a lot of people aren't comfortable with that.
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Mar 14, 2019 17:56
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Demiurge4 posted:I still want to know how it's gonna work out with multiplayer. Because a lot of these games going Epic exclusive already use the Steam backend and if Steam wants to, it can absolutely just decide that games that are Epic exclusive aren't allowed to use their backend. This would then force Epic to build a competing multiplayer system and then devs will have to choose one when they begin development. Phoenix Point straight up doesn't have multiplayer, but that is a valid thing to be worried about.
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Mar 14, 2019 17:59
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Y’all think the crab mutants will be able to feel love?
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Mar 14, 2019 18:03
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So I pre-ordered back in March. I started the refund process yesterday before learning about the whole giving our bank info thing. I contacted Xsolla about a refund, they don't do refunds past 10 days. I just contacted PayPal, even though they don't refund past 180 days maybe I can get somewhere. And of course since I started the refund process, I forfeit my game keys. If PayPal won't, is my last option a charge back? Is that even possible? gently caress this poo poo, Jesus
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Mar 14, 2019 18:15
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https://imgur.com/a/PLUt7sS Apparently Fig can give you proper refund if you let them know that SS are trying to make their backers go via a shady 3rd party to get it.
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Mar 14, 2019 18:16
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Endymion FRS MK1 posted:So I pre-ordered back in March. I started the refund process yesterday before learning about the whole giving our bank info thing. I contacted Xsolla about a refund, they don't do refunds past 10 days. I just contacted PayPal, even though they don't refund past 180 days maybe I can get somewhere. And of course since I started the refund process, I forfeit my game keys. If PayPal won't, is my last option a charge back? Is that even possible? in general you only have 120 days to file a chargeback but you could argue that this is counterfeit fraud since deal-altering went on, and there is no limit for that. precisely how you do that i don't know that much about, probably you will end up calling cardholder services with your original transaction information and talking to a human about it.
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Mar 14, 2019 18:20
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Captain Gordon posted:Apparently, everyone is really mad that the game went to the Epic Launcher..... but why? Like, who loving cares? You probably already have Origin, Steam, Uplay and some other garbage platform if you play games at all. Whats the complaint here? Tencent? Lol - they own an absurd amount of companies in the video game industry and largely do not involved themselves in running anything outside of China. This post sucks as much as the Epic Game Store's security.
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Mar 14, 2019 18:52
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I only have Steam and a handful of gog games on my computer. LMAO at having all that other dumpster-tier spyware DRM trash installed.
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Mar 14, 2019 23:15
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You guys should probably be aware of this, since Phoenix Point is gonna be on their store. I know it's gotten me to uninstall the launcher and give up future free games.Rinkles posted:Epic Games Launcher collects your steam friends & play history
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Mar 14, 2019 23:22
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i was glancing at the pr guy's reddit posts recently:https://www.reddit.com/r/PhoenixPoint/comments/b14sd8/metro_exodus_provided_steam_access_to_anyone_who/eij92oi/ posted:Metro Exodus was for a time available and on sale through the Steam store. Because of this, they have Steam keys. https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/keys i won't quote paragraphs of it but read it and see the difference and where the 1k figure comes from. there's capability to go around that number explicitly for their situation, and it's self-inflicted as they could have had this all setup before asking epic about distribution, but decided not to
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Mar 14, 2019 23:45
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Bogart posted:Y’all think the crab mutants will be able to feel love? After this announcement, I'm not sure if -I- will ever be able to!
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SilverMike posted:You guys should probably be aware of this, since Phoenix Point is gonna be on their store. I know it's gotten me to uninstall the launcher and give up future free games. Digging through your competitor's files on a customer's computer sounds like something that is or should be illegal. Looks like that thread you linked agrees with me. Epic responded saying it was opt in only and yet on page 13 someone links an article where epic stated that only 20% of fortnight users actively use steam
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