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OwlFancier posted:¯\(°_o)/¯ Assuming there's an April.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:So now what? Now it's Yakuza 0 time and I can ignore my impending demise for a few pleasant hours of kicking people in the face.
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kustomkarkommando posted:MV3 and if that doesn't pass May goes to the EU an asks for an extension of some sort dependent on what they will allow my bad, hellworld, suffering contact brain damage from watching this, May's given herself one day to come up with a plan. Fantastic. I hope bercow kills it out of sheer spite Spangly A fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Mar 14, 2019 |
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:So now what? catch up on riverdale which is almost as ridiculous as this
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Spangly A posted:no, no Now that I read it, I think an extension is also on the table if MV3 fails, there's just some passive aggressive language (in paragraph 3) that the EU will not necessarily agree to an extension if the deal hasn't been accepted by Parliament. Paragraph 1 is independent of paragraph 2: quote:(1) notes the resolutions of the house of 12 and 13 March, and accordingly agrees that the government will seek to agree with the European Union an extension of the period specified in article 50(3); Sulphagnist fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Mar 14, 2019 |
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Mar 14, 2019 19:34
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lmfaoooooo
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Mar 14, 2019 19:34
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I’ve had no phone today what’s going on in our hell country
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They're still gonna ask for an extension if MV3 fails.
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Bape Culture posted:I’ve had no phone today what’s going on in our hell country Back where we started with all the good of yesterday destroyed.
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Sulphagnist posted:Now that I read it, I think an extension is also on the table if MV3 fails, there's just some passive aggressive language that the EU will not necessarily agree to an extension if the deal hasn't been accepted by Parliament. Paragraph 1 is independent of paragraph 2: Yeah that's my read too. Parliament isn't gonna just sit on its arse if MV3 fails. It might not actually make progress but it's gonna argue about it a lot. Though going by today it's entirely possible they'll just keep doing "NO TO MAY'S DEAL" "NO TO ANYTHING ELSE ALSO" "LET'S VOTE ON MAY'S DEAL AGAIN" very loudly.
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Heners_UK posted:Bercow is in a bad frigging mood He's been sat there since about midday and was probably gagging for a piss
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Lightningproof posted:They're still gonna ask for an extension if MV3 fails. I'd expect so, but I'd like to see it in official writing. Better still binding binding official writing.
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By the way, regarding that earlier rumour, this motion has now at least in principle given the government a mandate to negotiate on the four year extension since paragraph 1 doesn't specify the length of the extension. Also, it's a bit of a victory for May's deal advancing in the sense that a short extension and May's deal passing are now pretty joined at the hip. It reinforces yesterday's case the government is trying to make, that if you want Brexit, May's deal is the only game in town.
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Mar 14, 2019 19:38
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Health Secretary on Sky just said still leaving this month.
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Mar 14, 2019 19:39
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have we started blaming labour for this yet
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Mar 14, 2019 19:39
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kustomkarkommando posted:MV3 and if that doesn't pass May goes to the EU an asks for an extension of some sort dependent on what they will allow In other words,  ?
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motion states that Article 50 will be extended until 30 June, if MPs approve the prime minister's deal by 20 March. If an agreement on a deal is not reached by the 20 March, the government will seek a more substantial extension, but the EU would have to agree to this and set the terms
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Sulphagnist posted:the four year extension I.e. so they can spend however long left under the Fixed Terms Parliaments Act loving everything up that's not just Brexit, then ideally loose the next election but leave the next government a jar of fermented poo poo?
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Sulphagnist posted:By the way, regarding that earlier rumour, this motion has now at least in principle given the government a mandate to negotiate on the four year extension since paragraph 1 doesn't specify the length of the extension. I think the cunning plan here is that it leaves it open for May to go off, get their offer on an extension, then go back to parliament and go "here you go" and the usual suspects shout a lot about how it's too long and then go "well if you pass my deal we'll be done and dusted sooner eh"
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This is really gonna be No Deal, isn't it Or (almost worse) May is going to actually win by holding the whole country hostage
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Heners_UK posted:I.e. so they can spend however long left under the Fixed Terms Parliaments Act loving everything up that's not just Brexit, then ideally loose the next election but leave the next government a jar of fermented poo poo? A four year extension is kinda nonsensical really because this government can't negotiate a deal that the next government would have to honour. So the only way it would make sense is if she called an election just after getting the extension so as to give (ideally her) the government the use of the full duration.
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kustomkarkommando posted:I think the cunning plan here is that it leaves it open for May to go off, get their offer on an extension, then go back to parliament and go "here you go" and the usual suspects shout a lot about how it's too long and then go "well if you pass my deal we'll be done and dusted sooner eh" Which of course will be followed by the proposal being voted down, May tabling her deal, and it being voted down and May instructed to ask for a shorter extension please...
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Stringer is my MP and he's a massive twat. Doesn't suprise me. AFAIK he voted with the ERG in June also.
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Barry Foster posted:This is really gonna be No Deal, isn't it That has quite obviously been the plan since the first meaningful vote, and Corbyns boxing clever strat has just been watching it happen.
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So there'll be an extension maybe, but only if May gets her terrible deal on the third attempt, and if not that, then no deal even though that was voted against? I suggest finding some American football or maybe hockey pads to use as melee armor in the upcoming hellscape.
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bump_fn posted:have we started blaming labour for this yet Of course https://mobile.twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1106262839151472640
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kustomkarkommando posted:I think the cunning plan here is that it leaves it open for May to go off, get their offer on an extension, then go back to parliament and go "here you go" and the usual suspects shout a lot about how it's too long and then go "well if you pass my deal we'll be done and dusted sooner eh" Exactly, I edited that same point into my post! This is slowly reducing the options into: - don't agree to my deal and we are stuck with the EU for four more years and god knows what will happen; - agree to my deal and you will definitely get Brexit in some shape or form It's leveraging the vast parliamentary majority against NDB to strongarm the hardliners into accepting the deal. However, the swivel-eyes still have the advantage in that just running out the clock until March 29 will also get them Brexit.
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OrthoTrot posted:That has quite obviously been the plan since the first meaningful vote, and Corbyns boxing clever strat has just been watching it happen. Any extension at all was unthinkable 6 months ago, positions are shifting for the better.
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Going to look for tweets from fupees saying how it's wrong for May to hold votes until she gets the outcome she wants.
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Julio Cruz posted:Any extension at all was unthinkable 6 months ago, positions are shifting for the better. Make your mind up mate. Last time we spoke you were in favour of brexit.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:So now what? Dehumanise yourself and face to Brexit.
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I just started the uncommented stream. How hosed is the move by any amendments that passed so far? Does the move auto approve mays deal? Are we for it passing or failing?
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I'm suspicious of the DUP if it comes to a third vote.
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Rarity posted:So if everything fails today what happens next? None of the flowcharts had this as an option UKMT: None of the flowcharts had this as an option
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it owns that these politicians and beaurocrats are so petty and self-righteous and self-aggrandizing and none of this actually loving matters to them at all, it doesnt actually affect them in any material way
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OrthoTrot posted:Make your mind up mate. Last time we spoke you were in favour of brexit. ...no? My avatar's pretty close to JFairfax's, you might be thinking of him?
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Combat Theory posted:I just started the uncommented stream. How hosed is the move by any amendments that passed so far? Does the move auto approve mays deal? Are we for it passing or failing? Only the main motion passed: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/14/mps-vote-by-majority-of-210-to-extend-article-50-and-delay-brexit
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Sulphagnist posted:Only the main motion passed: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/14/mps-vote-by-majority-of-210-to-extend-article-50-and-delay-brexit Headline is hopelessly misleading, since a delay is subject to EU approval and they won't unless it comes with some meaningful political change, end even then they might now.
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