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Srice posted:Thinking the next thing I read might be something from the longlist...anyone have any takes on anything on the list? someone somewhere was saying that bury your plow under the dead of their bones or whatever was really good and i'll probably pick that up in the near future i haven't read the can xue book that's on the list but her stuff in general is good (and weird)
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What are some of the must-reads of Japanese lit? I've been reading some Mishima and Yoko Ogawa and I think I'd like to check out some more.
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Mar 14, 2019 16:13
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Rashomon and Silence! Kenzaburo Oe is supposedly very good and subtle.
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MockingQuantum posted:What are some of the must-reads of Japanese lit? I've been reading some Mishima and Yoko Ogawa and I think I'd like to check out some more. yasunari kawabatas palm of the hand stories are gorgeous kobo abe obvs check out woman in the dunes for a shot of what he's about one day i will find a way to get the collected works of jun tsuji but until that day arrives i just need to tell other people to look out for him
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CestMoi posted:The Good Murakami Reading this thread has made me assume that anybody who recommends Murakami is either doing it ironically or is trying to hurt me in some way
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Is there a recommended translation of the Palm of the Hand stories?
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MockingQuantum posted:Reading this thread has made me assume that anybody who recommends Murakami is either doing it ironically or is trying to hurt me in some way he means ryu murakami
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Tree Goat posted:he means ryu murakami Ahh I was unfamiliar with Ryu Murakami, this looks very much up my alley. I retract my suspicion.
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Mar 14, 2019 18:28
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Is Alice Munro any good? I see a collection of short stories for $1 I could snag.
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Sometimes I think about rereading Coin Locker Babies but I suspect it would underwhelm the second time.
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toanoradian posted:Volokhonsky opening the story with a whole paragraph in French is an annoying move though.
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I know it really shouldn't but goons' translation criticism irks me
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Heath posted:Is there a recommended translation of the Palm of the Hand stories? Lex Neville posted:I know it really shouldn't but goons' translation criticism irks me 
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Lex Neville posted:I know it really shouldn't but goons' translation criticism irks me I honestly love it and appreciate everyone taking the time for their recommendations.
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Franchescanado posted:I honestly love it and appreciate everyone taking the time for their recommendations. Yeah, this. There are so many classic works that I bounced off of before and have since enjoyed because I tried a different translation, usually one recommended here. I'm a dummy so it's something I never really considered before it was brought up in discussion.
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Mar 14, 2019 19:27
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Franchescanado posted:Is Alice Munro any good? I see a collection of short stories for $1 I could snag. Go for it!
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pospysyl posted:Go for it! Thank you!
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Lex Neville posted:I know it really shouldn't but goons' translation criticism irks me whenever i talk about which translations i liked or didn't like i try to make it a priori obvious that i am dumb as poo poo
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Tree Goat posted:whenever i talk about which translations i liked or didn't like i try to make it a priori obvious that i am dumb as poo poo same, but with all my posts about books
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Franchescanado posted:Thank you! She is good but my favorite Munro thing will always be this https://www.theonion.com/thunk-u-for-nobbel-prise-me-happie-now-1819584899
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Sorry for posting about the thing I went to grad school for, I guess. I forgive you
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yeah i cant think of a single time in years that i've read a book with multiple translations without googling the merits of each or just asking in here so please keep doing it
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Franchescanado posted:Is Alice Munro any good? I see a collection of short stories for $1 I could snag. Nobel laureate so take that for what its worth. My partner is a big fan but I've not yet read any of her collections
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It's the Everyman's Library hardcover edition of Carried Away, which I hope is a good start for her. I feel like I've read a story or two of Munro's, maybe in a lit course, but I can't remember.
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Something from the bottle wake in QQCS that struck me was both a comment on Marxist vs. post-structuralist criticism and a mention Franchescanado made of a basic film criticism thread in CineD. Whereas I don't watch much film but do read I was wondering if there was a similar "how to lit crit" thread somewhere around here, or if we could post some links to help STEM ignoramuses like me out when approaching literary criticism. I have a passing familiarity with French Theory but would be very interested in a discussion of theory for approaching texts Thanks and god bless
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Bilirubin posted:Something from the bottle wake in QQCS that struck me was both a comment on Marxist vs. post-structuralist criticism and a mention Franchescanado made of a basic film criticism thread in CineD. Whereas I don't watch much film but do read I was wondering if there was a similar "how to lit crit" thread somewhere around here, or if we could post some links to help STEM ignoramuses like me out when approaching literary criticism. I'd be interested in this as well, I'm not formally educated about lit crit at all but generally enjoy digging deeper into works than the surface level I tend to read them at. I know Franchescanado had a "good prose vs. bad prose" thread for a bit that I lost track of, I couldn't find it on my phone but maybe it's still around.
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Bilirubin posted:Something from the bottle wake in QQCS that struck me was both a comment on Marxist vs. post-structuralist criticism and a mention Franchescanado made of a basic film criticism thread in CineD. Whereas I don't watch much film but do read I was wondering if there was a similar "how to lit crit" thread somewhere around here, or if we could post some links to help STEM ignoramuses like me out when approaching literary criticism. being stem is no excuse
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CestMoi posted:being stem is no excuse Well, yeah, sorta. I never had the course distribution to spend on literary theory. I had to devote pretty much every waking hour to reading in my discipline for several years, and I read and write in it daily, and so it took me many years to get my head back around to the idea of reading for fun and relaxation too. I did only a few lit courses during my undergrad, a two semester-long "great books" class (not really lit crit but more general cultural education), and as a freshman I, a know it all, took a 4th year course on The Modern Novel which I failed because of the beginning of Chapter 3 (or 4 I forget off the top of my head) of Ulysses stopping me dead. Presumably this course employed theory but I realized I was in way too much over my head but instead of dropping I the class I dropped acid and ignored my situation  I am now starting to work my way through those novels I missed in that class and would appreciate a better grounding in critical theory. My wife got a ton in both her women's studies course as well as her advanced legal theory courses later, so I got a little of the idea behind Foucault and Derrida through osmosis. Bilirubin fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Mar 14, 2019 |
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I read all of those French guys as an undergrad, and they're all bad, along with being pedophiles.
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Sham bam bamina! posted:I read all of those French guys as an undergrad, and they're all bad, along with being pedophiles. And yet I am told that Foucault's power analysis in particular is very helpful
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chernobyl kinsman posted:someone somewhere was saying that bury your plow under the dead of their bones or whatever was really good and i'll probably pick that up in the near future Wound up picking the Can Xue book since it was readily available...ty to everyone who threw out some takes 
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Dudes, I didn't mean to say you shouldn't discuss translations! If anything, I meant the opposite. I enjoy it, but hollow phrases like "british-ize", "fidelity", "literal" etc demand elaboration  (i.e. "this translation is great because it's really faithful" or "terrible because it's clunky" doesn't mean anything. as I said though, it's a stupid peeve to have)I would love to see more in-depth translation criticism, is what I meant. my bad did you do translation studies Sham?
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Sham bam bamina! posted:I read all of those French guys as an undergrad, and they're all bad, along with being pedophiles. As one of my English professors said when she heard we were reading Foucault in film theory, "ah, well, film is always lagging behind everyone else."
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publishko posted:As one of my English professors said when she heard we were reading Foucault in film theory, "ah, well, film is always lagging behind everyone else." owns
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CestMoi posted:being stem is no excuse i'm a stem guy and i read the big smart man books, and i vote
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V. Illych L. posted:walter benjamin is god "Humankind, which once, in Homer, was an object of contemplation for the Olympian gods, has now become one for itself. Its self-alienation has reached the point where it can experience its own annihilation as a supreme aesthetic pleasure. Such is the aestheticizing of politics, as practiced by fascism. Communism replies by politicizing art."
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