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muscles like this! posted:Caught the end of The Fifth Element on TV tonight and it reminds me, the rest of the movie is really good but man that ending sucks. The whole Korben/Leeloo thing has no basis in anything that happens earlier in the film and feels completely unearned. It's a metaphor for the director's love of forcing inexperienced childlike women to have sex with him because he has power over them
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muscles like this! posted:Caught the end of The Fifth Element on TV tonight and it reminds me, the rest of the movie is really good but man that ending sucks. The whole Korben/Leeloo thing has no basis in anything that happens earlier in the film and feels completely unearned. On a rewatch there’s a 50-50 chance I turn it off when they leave Phloston. The rest of the movie is just downhill from there.
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muscles like this! posted:Caught the end of The Fifth Element on TV tonight and it reminds me, the rest of the movie is really good but man that ending sucks. The whole Korben/Leeloo thing has no basis in anything that happens earlier in the film and feels completely unearned. Uh excuse me they're husbNd and wife
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muscles like this! posted:Caught the end of The Fifth Element on TV tonight and it reminds me, the rest of the movie is really good but man that ending sucks. The whole Korben/Leeloo thing has no basis in anything that happens earlier in the film and feels completely unearned. Yeah, its a typical 'there has to be a romance' hollywood cliche shoehorn'd in where it doesn't fit. I find myself actively cheering when a male-female partnership doesn't end with a makeout in a movie. Screaming Idiot posted:It's a metaphor for the director's love of forcing inexperienced childlike women to have sex with him because he has power over them 
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Mar 14, 2019 07:47
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The 5th element is not a good movie
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Mar 14, 2019 07:51
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I love some good age-gap hollywood romance (20 year gap in this instance.)
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Mar 14, 2019 07:54
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Luc Besson had a daughter with a sixteen-year-old girl who later played the Diva in the Fifth Element. I don't know if Besson is specifically a lech or if it is just a french thing.
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Mar 14, 2019 12:38
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There’s also that song at the end where a dude tries to sound like Peter Gabriel or Phil Collins, splits the difference, and sounds like poo poo.
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Mar 14, 2019 12:52
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Luc Besson had a daughter with a sixteen-year-old girl who later played the Diva in the Fifth Element. I don't know if Besson is specifically a lech or if it is just a french thing.
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Mar 14, 2019 13:04
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The moon was too big in the Umbrella Academy finale.
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Pilchenstein posted:We decided to watch Leon for the first time in twenty years a while back and I was all "oh sweet, there's a director's cut" and you know how sometimes you watch a director's cut and think "man, all this extra stuff is great, I have no idea why they cut it from the theatrical release"? This was the mirror loving opposite of that. According to imdb, Liv Tyler was considered for Mathilda, but was ‘too old’ for the role at 15. And the original screenplay had Leon walking in on Mathilda in the shower. We live in the least creepy Leon timeline.
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Mar 14, 2019 14:13
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To be fair Leon had the mind of a child so falling in love with a 12 year old girl is kosher. In France.
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Mar 14, 2019 14:50
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Zaphod42 posted:Really? Its not too hard to imagine that post apocalypse = future technology which lets you do things that aren't possible now. Funny thing is that kind of the point is that the moving cities AREN'T sustainable, despite most of the people on them firmly believing it's the only proper way to live, at the time of the books there's barely any smaller cities left and it's mostly a stand-off between the surviving big ones.
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Also in Leon: The Professional it's implied Leon left Italy due to issues over a girl. Knowing Besson's like of young women makes it even more 
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Mar 14, 2019 15:57
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Yeah, in Mortal Engines municipal dawinism is going away, simply because there are no more big cities left to gobble up. The little mining colony that does get nommed in the beginning represents a more mad max type philosophy to survival, where smaller communities trade with each other but individually are less likely to get eaten. They also mention how the little town that got eaten would only sustain London for a week at best. The 'Lord Mayor' complains that it isn't worth the effort to chase it down.
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Mar 14, 2019 17:18
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Mu Zeta posted:To be fair Leon had the mind of a child so falling in love with a 12 year old girl is kosher. In France. Jean Reno played Leon like that because he didn't want to play him like an adult as in the script.
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Mar 14, 2019 19:25
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I mean in both cuts, Mathilda's affections are one way. Leon seemed appropriately weirded out by the idea, last time I watched. So at least it's only kinda super uncomfortable.
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Mar 14, 2019 19:28
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Don't you know that the French are more sexually liberated than we stuffy American? just to be clear I'm joking
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Zaphod42 posted:Really? Its not too hard to imagine that post apocalypse = future technology which lets you do things that aren't possible now. Weirdly, this is similar to one of the many (many, many, many) problems Star Trek: Voyager had. The show establishes early on that the ship has limited fuel, thus limited power for all its systems, but never does anything with this concept. They never run out of power for the phasers and shields, never find they don't have the energy to transport an away team back from a planet, or suffer any problems as a result of low fuel/power. The only drawback is they have to limit use of the replicators, so sometimes an episode begins with "We're on planet Gibbledy Alpha to harvest some food," instead of "We've been sent to investigate planet Gibbledy Alpha," before going into a rejected TNG script. Basically, I hate when a movie/TV show/book/whatever has a potentially interesting concept that it just uses as a vague backstory for the latest rehash of old crap.
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Mar 14, 2019 21:55
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Sunswipe posted:I don't have a problem with a rolling city. I have a problem with a train of logic that goes "We've run out of resources, therefore the best solution is to engage in possibly the most resource-hungry engineering project ever conceived of by man." See also: Pacific Rim.
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Sunswipe posted:I don't have a problem with a rolling city. I have a problem with a train of logic that goes "We've run out of resources, therefore the best solution is to engage in possibly the most resource-hungry engineering project ever conceived of by man." I think show runners wanted to tell those stories but the suits wanted "TNG but far away". They ignored DS9 which is why actually told different stories.
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Aleph Null posted:I think show runners wanted to tell those stories but the suits wanted "TNG but far away". They ignored DS9 which is why actually told different stories. Ronald Moore was a writer on Voyager and he’d bitch in his podcast about how no one cared about their ‘limited’ resources. Then he made Battlestar Galactica where the fleet is slowly ground to dust through attrition.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Funny thing is that kind of the point is that the moving cities AREN'T sustainable, despite most of the people on them firmly believing it's the only proper way to live, at the time of the books there's barely any smaller cities left and it's mostly a stand-off between the surviving big ones. That's true, and there is an anti-traction league. But still, the point is you couldn't have a culture get used to that lifestyle. They would all eat each other after literally like 7 days total. If there's no small cities left, how do the big cities sustain themselves? The whole thing should collapse real fast. Panfilo posted:They also mention how the little town that got eaten would only sustain London for a week at best. A week per small city I guess does drag things out for at least a month, but seems like its supposed to be that they've lived that way for a few years. You need time to adapt all that technology to moving around which doesn't make sense if you only have a month before the whole thing's over. But like I was saying before, you could kinda just say there was already some kind of huge-earth-mover vehicle tech laying around, and they just kinda repurposed it. But it still just isn't remotely practical. Sunswipe posted:I don't have a problem with a rolling city. I have a problem with a train of logic that goes "We've run out of resources, therefore the best solution is to engage in possibly the most resource-hungry engineering project ever conceived of by man." Yeah I agree with that completely. Its just not remotely a sustainable or sensible system. "Lets feed off other cities for... a week!" is a bad plan. Zaphod42 has a new favorite as of 00:43 on Mar 15, 2019 |
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So, it's capitalism.
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I'm not sure it's meant to be realistic. I've heard the movie itself is pretty dire but I like the concept of the process of cities growing bigger and swallowing up the smaller communities around it being depicted in the silliest most literal way possible.
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Sunswipe posted:Weirdly, this is similar to one of the many (many, many, many) problems Star Trek: Voyager had. The show establishes early on that the ship has limited fuel, thus limited power for all its systems, but never does anything with this concept. They never run out of power for the phasers and shields, never find they don't have the energy to transport an away team back from a planet, or suffer any problems as a result of low fuel/power. The only drawback is they have to limit use of the replicators, so sometimes an episode begins with "We're on planet Gibbledy Alpha to harvest some food," instead of "We've been sent to investigate planet Gibbledy Alpha," before going into a rejected TNG script. They totally did that! In that one episode! That was then fixed to have never happened by the literal Time Police. Such lazy loving storytelling.
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Sunswipe posted:I don't have a problem with a rolling city. I have a problem with a train of logic that goes "We've run out of resources, therefore the best solution is to engage in possibly the most resource-hungry engineering project ever conceived of by man." There was a sortof prequel book that covered this. Future apocalypse nomad raiders teamed up with an insane genetically engineered super scientist. So instead of just burning London down, that is what happened.
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To show that a bar has a rough reputation, a fight always breaks out when the characters enter.
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Krispy Wafer posted:Then he made Battlestar Galactica where the fleet is slowly ground to dust through attrition. Whilst still having the resources to support press conferences full of shouting journalists (one of my many IIMM’s with BSG, the human race is reduced to about 50,000 individuals and there’s still even journalists rather than a bulletin).
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oldpainless posted:To show that a bar has a rough reputation, a fight always breaks out when the characters enter. One Discworld book mocks the merry hell out of this.
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Re French Film creepiness man/child relationships: I always found the relationship between Ron Pearlman and the little girl in City of Lost Children to be extremely unsettling. If I remember right, he calls her his "petite soeur" which means little sister, but still it was weird and creepy.
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Memento posted:They totally did that! In that one episode! What episode was that? I was thinking "Year of Hell" which was pretty good but i don't think there was Time Police in that one.
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Shai-Hulud posted:What episode was that? I was thinking "Year of Hell" which was pretty good but i don't think there was Time Police in that one. That's the episode I was thinking of, but you're right, I looked it up, that was hand-waved away in another way to make sure there were no lasting consequences for anyone.
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Mr. Bad Guy posted:I mean in both cuts, Mathilda's affections are one way. Leon seemed appropriately weirded out by the idea, last time I watched. So at least it's only kinda super uncomfortable. Besson wanted to have a "love" scene between the two, but Portman's parents and Reno thankfully put the kibosh on that. And of course, Besson was going to have Mathilda be the initiator because that made it "right" in his sick mind.
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Regarding mortal machines I was blindsided at the end when lead lady told crazy robot man that she "loved him" regarding the leading man. There wasn't any build up to it at all, no Chemistry at all between them. The movie can be enjoyable if you watch it as a b-movie, so many cliche lines. It does suck the city vs city action is almost a non-point though. It's like making a movie about mechs and only having one giant robot fight.
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Shnag posted:There wasn't any build up to it at all, no Chemistry at all between them.
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I see that IIMM and raise you the power couple of Padme and Anakin.
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BrigadierSensible posted:Re French Film creepiness man/child relationships: It's been years since I watched it, but he definitely had the mind of a child.
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Torquemada posted:Whilst still having the resources to support press conferences full of shouting journalists (one of my many IIMM’s with BSG, the human race is reduced to about 50,000 individuals and there’s still even journalists rather than a bulletin). If only they had the Caprica NextDoor app, then people could report on Cylon/coyote sightings on their own.
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Aleph Null posted:It's been years since I watched it, but he definitely had the mind of a child. hmm i wonder how many french movies there are starring big men with minds of children and actual children
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