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Peanut Butler posted:we got us a Walter White situation, esp with regards to the women in his life who get sick of his poo poo
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I would say that Diane decision to show Bojack she knew what he did, by writing a scene based on what happened in New Mexico was extremely hosed up. Not because it hurt "poor boj", but because turning other people pain into a weapon with out their knowledge or permission is incredibly cruel. What the hell do Charolette and Penny feel when they find out a tramatic event was turned into fodder for a lovely streaming drama.
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I dont know posted:I would say that Diane decision to show Bojack she knew what he did, by writing a scene based on what happened in New Mexico was extremely hosed up. Not because it hurt "poor boj", but because turning other people pain into a weapon with out their knowledge or permission is incredibly cruel. What the hell do Charolette and Penny feel when they find out a tramatic event was turned into fodder for a lovely streaming drama.
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Mar 14, 2019 08:21
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Bojack Monopoly is a lovely pointless tie-in released to make money and that is why it's absolutely perfect for the show. It should have been "Horsin Around" themed tho.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Bojack Monopoly is a lovely pointless tie-in released to make money and that is why it's absolutely perfect for the show.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Bojack Monopoly is a lovely pointless tie-in released to make money and that is why it's absolutely perfect for the show. A Horsin' Around themed monopoly that's deliberately kind of dumb and full of unfunny in-jokes for a show that doesn't actually exist would've been way too clever and people might've actually wanted to buy it.
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Mar 14, 2019 13:41
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The Bojack people are coming out with another show set in a separate universe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YExrjQSKOUc
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https://twitter.com/lisadraws/status/1106237080483422208
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Mar 15, 2019 02:50
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It looks like a thinly veiled further adventures of Sextina Aquifina and I am extremely down for that
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Megera posted:The Bojack people are coming out with another show set in a separate universe. ooo I hope this is good
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Mar 15, 2019 03:16
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Looks like it could be a Futurama to Bojack's The Simpsons. And seems they're specifically using birds rather than Bojack's variety of animals and then some, though that might just be the main characters.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Looks like it could be a Futurama to Bojack's The Simpsons. And seems they're specifically using birds rather than Bojack's variety of animals and then some, though that might just be the main characters. There's a caterpiller, a fox and a plant, but it does seem to be mostly birds.
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Megera posted:The Bojack people are coming out with another show set in a separate universe. Man this is really gonna piss off a certain subset of Bojack's audience. Good.
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Mar 15, 2019 05:40
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I think it looks kind of awful, but then... so does BoJack in its promos. They aren't very good at marketing these shows.
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PostNouveau posted:There's a caterpiller, a fox and a plant, but it does seem to be mostly birds. Are they running out of horse jokes
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Mar 15, 2019 07:28
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Billzasilver posted:Are they running out of horse jokes Neigh!
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Lurdiak posted:Man this is really gonna piss off a certain subset of Bojack's audience. Wait who would this piss off
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Mar 15, 2019 08:34
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I'm really looking forward to this
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The Saddest Rhino posted:Wait who would this piss off manchildren
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shame on an IGA posted:manchildren Do they even count?
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I dont know posted:I would say that Diane decision to show Bojack she knew what he did, by writing a scene based on what happened in New Mexico was extremely hosed up. Not because it hurt "poor boj", but because turning other people pain into a weapon with out their knowledge or permission is incredibly cruel. What the hell do Charolette and Penny feel when they find out a tramatic event was turned into fodder for a lovely streaming drama. FactsAreUseless posted:This is something I hadn't considered and I hope they address it next season. Yeah, Diane explicitly exposing someone else's trauma in such a public way is the worst thing she's ever done. Forget Bojack, this isn't about him, this is about Penny and her maybe not wanting her past broadcast for the world to see. Can you imagine turning on the tv and seeing the story of the time you almost got statutory raped being told by the guy who almost statutory raped you? Now you have to deal with all those awful memories again and worry about whether or not the this all somehow gets traced back to you. Penny isn't a celebrity, she's a regular person just trying to live her life and shouldn't forcibly be put in a position where she has to deal with any media circus bullshit. That wasn't Diane's story to tell, and I kept waiting for the show to acknowledge that and they never did. I don't know if that's because they're saving the potential fallout effect of what happens in Penny's life because of this for a plotline for next season, or if the writers honestly don't realize why what Diane did was such a breach of boundaries.
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Diane is kind of a starfucker, though it seems like she basically feeds off Bojack's awfulness as much as she does for his fame. Man, I really want to see a Bojack Horseman vs Rusty Venture bitch-off.
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SweetMercifulCrap! posted:I think it looks kind of awful, but then... so does BoJack in its promos. They aren't very good at marketing these shows. I definitely remember the initial teaser poster for BoJack and this forum ragged on it hard.
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Mar 15, 2019 13:23
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Bojack season 1 was an unexpected hit because nobody thought it would be good. The marketing material that had come out up to that point failed to differentiate it from the typical terrible adult cartoon and the critics, having received only the first six episodes of the season, said it was "okay" at best.
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It's a bit tricky with adult cartoons because they tend to be lower budget than action-focused kids cartoons or even anime, voice actors aside, and rely more on dialogue and character moments that aren't easy to cut into a catchy series of clips, especially considering marketing departments are usually terrible at their jobs. And the most famous adult cartoon, South Park, openly revels in its low-budget aesthetic.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Do they even count? They think they do.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Yeah, Diane explicitly exposing someone else's trauma in such a public way is the worst thing she's ever done. Forget Bojack, this isn't about him, this is about Penny and her maybe not wanting her past broadcast for the world to see. Can you imagine turning on the tv and seeing the story of the time you almost got statutory raped being told by the guy who almost statutory raped you? Now you have to deal with all those awful memories again and worry about whether or not the this all somehow gets traced back to you. Penny isn't a celebrity, she's a regular person just trying to live her life and shouldn't forcibly be put in a position where she has to deal with any media circus bullshit. It's weird, because past episodes, it has made a point of showing that one of Diana's character flaws is she takes license to completely disregard the thoughts and opinions of others when she thinks she is right. This is another example of her doing this, but the show just let her skate without consequence so far. Pakled posted:Bojack season 1 was an unexpected hit because nobody thought it would be good. The marketing material that had come out up to that point failed to differentiate it from the typical terrible adult cartoon and the critics, having received only the first six episodes of the season, said it was "okay" at best. The first couple episodes of Bojack were just dire, but I feel like this is a problem for any character driven comedy. Most of the humor and pathos comes from knowing who the characters are and then watching them bounce off each other, so it takes time to establish their personalities with audiences. I remember Bob's Burgers similarly premiered to tepid reception only to become beloved after having enough episodes that audiences got to know the nuance of the characters.
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I see it being resolved with BoJack on the phone saying "I hosed up..." when it should be Diane. Because of course it's going to be BoJack it makes sense, and it's who you initially blame instead of the writers. They'll probably never circle back to Diane,. This is totally going to blow up next season, there is no way that poo poo doesn't get brought out to deal with.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Yeah, Diane explicitly exposing someone else's trauma in such a public way is the worst thing she's ever done. Forget Bojack, this isn't about him, this is about Penny and her maybe not wanting her past broadcast for the world to see. Can you imagine turning on the tv and seeing the story of the time you almost got statutory raped being told by the guy who almost statutory raped you? Now you have to deal with all those awful memories again and worry about whether or not the this all somehow gets traced back to you. Penny isn't a celebrity, she's a regular person just trying to live her life and shouldn't forcibly be put in a position where she has to deal with any media circus bullshit.
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Just to clarify, BoJack didn't almost statutory rape Penny, and we know this because she states as such in the episode that what she thinks she wants is legal in New Mexico. No, that doesn't make it better, sort of like that moment in Transformers 4 where the guy explains Romeo and Juliet laws.
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Aces High posted:Just to clarify, BoJack didn't almost statutory rape Penny, and we know this because she states as such in the episode that what she thinks she wants is legal in New Mexico. No, that doesn't make it better, sort of like that moment in Transformers 4 where the guy explains Romeo and Juliet laws. Huh?
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I think it's that Penny was of the age of consent in New Mexico, but wasn't she very drunk that night? In that case, she's not in the proper mental state to legally consent.
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The legality wasn't the problem.
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FactsAreUseless posted:The legality wasn't the problem. Yea she wasn’t drunk and she wasn’t underage under the laws of the state and that’s not the point at all
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That's a really big age difference. Also he was attempting to date her mother earlier. It's extremely creepy to just to her daughter next.
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I wonder how many viewers understand why Penny had a panic attack the moment she saw Bojack again.
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Waffleman_ posted:I think it's that Penny was of the age of consent in New Mexico, but wasn't she very drunk that night? In that case, she's not in the proper mental state to legally consent. i think they threw in the "what we're doing right now is legal, in this state" just to clarify that bojack's behavior is massively wrong and creepy but not technically illegal, just to stay on that side of the line like you want to ensure your protagonist is horrible enough without being a literal attempted rapist
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Yeah, it's terrible, but you can't sell a Netflix show starring a child rapist.
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EwokEntourage posted:Yea she wasn’t drunk and she wasn’t underage under the laws of the state and that’s not the point at all Isn't it? Guy said, "almost got statutory raped", other guy said "BoJack didn't almost statutory rape Penny" cuz statutory rape is a legal category. It's not the point of the show but it's the point of that conversation.
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The scuzzyness is definitely the point, Bojack knows it was a horrible thing to do but still tries to defend it on the level he can. (and it's not like Bojack isn't regularly breaking all kinds of laws anyway) Bojack admitted a while ago he has basically no impulse control and easily goes from doing comically stupid and bad things (like firing his stunt double) to really stupid and bad things, and it doesn't help that he's almost perpetually drunk, high and/or blitzed on something or other. And that ultimately, the only consequences he DOES have are alienating people, which still doesn't give him much active need to change. Kind of a point for the season, especially with that other actor constantly doing racisms and making comebacks like clockwork, is that Hollywoo basically exists to normalise bad behaviour and false narratives of redemption, and it's the only world that Bojack understands. Most of the main characters, really, basically exemplify aspects of the awful behaviour and attitudes it encourages, from Mr Peanutbutter's shallowness making it impossible for him to form long-lasting relationships because he can't actively engage with anything negative or difficult, to Diane's attempts at moral crusading only contributing to the ecosystem of faux moral outrage, and Princess Carolyn lying to and exploiting people as a job to the point where she has almost no real personal life. Todd is an anomaly in the system since he doesn't engage in it the same way (most of the time) and can actually form relationships based on something other than money, sex or work, and even then he struggles to connect with people the way that he wants to.
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