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V. Illych L. posted:you're not seriously comparing V to the Actual Nazis No We're Not Kidding party Welcome to the Scandipol thread. As an advisory, every single post by forums poster cardiac is straight from the Enlightened Centrist playbook and falls somewhere between the chapters "There is no Difference between Left and Right" and "Hey, the Nazis Are Making Some Very Good Points, We Should Try Listening to Them with an Unbiased Mind." I hope this advisory saves you the embarrassment of replying to a cardiac post and expecting a candid reply in the future. Have a nice day, and enjoy the thread. 
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SplitSoul posted:The hotel cancelled the quite nazi, but not quite as nazi as those other nazis, but still more nazi than the mainstream nazis' conference. Apparently they're still having a conference in Copenhagen, just not at the original venue.
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Mar 14, 2019 18:30
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https://www.svt.se/nyheter/utrikes/norska-justitieministerns-sambo-gripen-misstanks-ha-tant-eld-pa-parets-bil Very normal behavior from FrP - literally setting fire to your car to blame the immigrants.
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Mar 14, 2019 21:20
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so that means I can be a cheapskate and post about posting instead of having some wit or spending any more on comedy avs for people. Which I'm also incapable of. Comedy.
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Retarded Goatee posted:https://www.svt.se/nyheter/utrikes/norska-justitieministerns-sambo-gripen-misstanks-ha-tant-eld-pa-parets-bil Amazing if true.
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Mar 14, 2019 21:41
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Seems to be, which is hilarious. This is Frp's what, fifth minister of justice this term?
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The atrocious proposal to widen the reach of the foreign collusion statute, which is bad enough to get even DF and the so-called Free Press Society riled up, passed the first voting round unopposed. The critical parties just abstained. I get that DF is just worried about Marie Krarup getting in legal trouble or whatever, but even EL didn't bother.quote:§108. Den, som, uden at forholdet falder ind under §107, i øvrigt foretager noget, hvorved fremmed efterretningstjeneste sættes i stand til eller hjælpes til umiddelbart eller middelbart at virke inden for den danske stats område, herunder samarbejde om at udøve påvirkningsvirksomhed med henblik på at påvirke beslutningstagning eller den almene meningsdannelse, straffes med fængsel indtil 6 år. quote:Påvirkningsvirksomhed skal efter forslaget forstås som virksomhed, der har til formål at få nogen til at mene noget bestemt eller foretage en bestemt handling. Denne påvirkning skal efter forslaget enten være rettet mod beslutningstagning eller den almene meningsdannelse for at være strafbar, og den kan være rettet mod beslutningstagning eller den almene meningsdannelse både i Danmark og i udlandet. Påvirkning af beslutningstagning omfatter efter forslaget alle typer beslutninger, der træffes i både den private og den offentlige sektor. Der foreslås ingen bagatelgrænse for, hvilke beslutninger, der kan være tale om, men det må forventes, at en fremmed efterretningstjeneste ikke vil have interesse i at påvirke beslutningstagning, som ikke har en vis betydning for efterretningstjenesten. I've bolded the changes and the particularly problematic poo poo from the preamble.
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Is that specifically aimed at intelligence services, or they trying to outlaw anything with foreign roots from doing anything to influence anybody's opinion in Denmark? It reads like some kind of crazy conspiracy theorist manifesto.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Is that specifically aimed at intelligence services, or they trying to outlaw anything with foreign roots from doing anything to influence anybody's opinion in Denmark? It reads like some kind of crazy conspiracy theorist manifesto. Legal experts and even judges are arguing that it's too vague and will set a dangerous precedent. Worst case scenario, you could be convicted for sharing fake news that originated with a foreign intelligence operation. Notice that it covers any form of print or media, so journalists aren't safe either. One person has already been convicted under a different statute for "supporting terrorism" by posting an emoticon on Facebook, so don't tell me they won't use this to limit free speech. Also  that the GRU tried to recruit Marie Krarup. Can't imagine why!
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Mar 15, 2019 01:16
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SplitSoul posted:Worst case scenario, you could be convicted for sharing fake news that originated with a foreign intelligence operation What's the bad part?
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KozmoNaut posted:Apparently they're still having a conference in Copenhagen, just not at the original venue. Here's to hoping they end up having the conference in a public park as no one will host them.
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SplitSoul posted:Worst case scenario, you could be convicted for sharing fake news that originated with a foreign intelligence operation.
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Katt posted:What's the bad part? evil_bunnY posted:That doesn’t sound like a worst case at all. You two seriously don't see a problem with punishing people for unknowingly sharing something that later turns out to be fabricated? E: Not to mention that this poo poo is just ripe for abuse. It would be piss-easy for the government to weaponize this statute and use it against people that they find politically inconvenient. Cerebral Bore fucked around with this message at 09:35 on Mar 15, 2019 |
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Mar 15, 2019 09:31
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Cerebral Bore posted:You two seriously don't see a problem with punishing people for unknowingly sharing something that later turns out to be fabricated? Yeah, I can easily see this being used to stop scandals from getting out in the open. Let's say Martin Timell is accused of being a sex creep, but is found not guilty in a court of law. Is the accuser and everyone who shared the accusation now guilty of fake news-ing?
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Potrzebie posted:Yeah, I can easily see this being used to stop scandals from getting out in the open. Let's say Martin Timell is accused of being a sex creep, but is found not guilty in a court of law. Is the accuser and everyone who shared the accusation now guilty of fake news-ing? Or somebody gets a botnet running that shares foreign-produced fake news with people they find politically inconvenient. Just by basic human nature, someone will share one of those stories eventually. Hilariously enough, this could also easily be done by foreign intelligence bureaus themselves.
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Mar 15, 2019 10:04
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If Granny has to be Gulaged for sharing some Timell gossip in between racist memes then that's price we're just going to have to pay.
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Mar 15, 2019 10:13
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Cerebral Bore posted:You two seriously don't see a problem with punishing people for unknowingly sharing something that later turns out to be fabricated? Katt posted:If Granny has to be Gulaged for sharing some Timell gossip in between racist memes then that's price we're just going to have to pay.
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Mar 15, 2019 10:22
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denmark in its current state are never going to opt for any but the most reactionary implementations of such laws before you know it you'll have climate activists and pro-palestine groups locked up en-masse
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V. Illych L. posted:denmark in its current state are never going to opt for any but the most reactionary implementations of such laws It's cold and raining, check mate climate change believers  Fake Edit: and still the area around Rosenbad/slottet was full of young people calling for action to save their future. It was really heartwarming to see and hear 
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Potrzebie posted:It's cold and raining, check mate climate change believers It is easy, just go all nuclear. Not that it matters what Sweden does in this, given China's expansion plans, the increase in the general living standard of the world and that Africa will get like 2 billion people more this century.
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Potrzebie posted:It's cold and raining, check mate climate change believers I work on Drottninggatan and it was a breathe of fresh air to see kids protesting and making their way down. It’s been a gloomy day.
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Cardiac posted:It is easy, just go all nuclear. But it does matter what Sweden does, because the actively detrimental attitude of "I'm too insignificant to impact the event by myself so I won't do anything" works on a state level too. It will be even harder to convince China and african states to select alternatives that are less poo poo for the climate if the rich countries do not follow their own advice.
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It's not yet illegal to use your loving brain. 12 years is what we give to murderers and this law is so purposefully vague as to enable them to do anything. Like I said in the very same post, a man has already been convicted under the "Material support for terrorism" statute for posting this --> <-- on Facebook. An emoticon. They're openly flaunting the ECHR. They're building a plague island prison for deportees and instituting differential punishment in areas qualified by explicitly racist criteria. The police profiles so vehemently that they unsuccessfully pursue convictions against ethnic minorities 65-70% more often (2014 stats). Misleading parliament and the Ombudsman. Offentlighedsloven. If there's any question in your mind that they'll use this to nefarious ends, please get out from under that rock.
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China is so bad at environmental issues that they recently increased new production of chlorofluorocarbons CFCs are so bad for the environment that their use is not just frowned upon. But outright banned by the UN. quote:Chinese producers told the EIA that they continue to find ways to use CFC-11 because it’s a superior chemical when it comes to creating insulating foams. These foams have been in great demand in China because of the country’s construction boom. CFC-11 is also cheap and easy to make, compared to the legal alternatives. quote:The good news is that the Montreal Protocol is legally binding. That means the United Nations can enforce an investigation into China’s use of the substance, end its use, and perhaps fine China for not enforcing compliance as it had promised. China. Notable giver of poo poo of UN opinions
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This is an extremely interesting read about the civil defense preparations of Cold War Sweden: https://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/information-och-fakta/var-historia/artiklar/en-krigssjukvard-i-varldsklass/ Throwing all of that away might not have been such a good idea, it can be very useful in a lot of scenarios that don't involve military action at all.
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Katt posted:China is so bad at environmental issues that they recently increased new production of chlorofluorocarbons China like all other states cares about money, tie the use of things like these to loss of trade revenue and be willing to eat the cost of enforcing trade conditions like this. It's not like entities such as the EU or US are toothless in these endeavors if they were willing to commit to not making GBS threads all over the global climate, but alas.
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https://twitter.com/viktorbk/status/1109070330805538817?s=21 social democrats
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Mar 22, 2019 18:11
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We are witnessing the fall of Rome.
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Mar 22, 2019 18:25
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MiddleOne posted:We are witnessing the fall of Rome. Or as Giap put it "Any forces that would impose their will on other nations will certainly face defeat."
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Mar 22, 2019 22:45
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They can take all the people they fired from arbetsförmedlingen and put them to work judging who do and do not exercise enough.
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Mar 22, 2019 23:00
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Katt posted:They can take all the people they fired from arbetsförmedlingen and put them to work judging who do and do not exercise enough. "No, masturbating 5 times a day does not exempt you from jogging"
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Cynic Jester posted:"No, masturbating 5 times a day does not exempt you from jogging"
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A Buttery Pastry posted:What if you do it outside? Public indecency is still a crime, right? So free vacation in a way then.
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If Swedbank gets shut out from conducting USD transfers I'm going to laugh until I puke.
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 In other "companies circling the drain" news, free newspaper Metro didn't make payroll this monday and I have no idea why they don't seem to be dead yet
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Mar 27, 2019 19:35
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Potrzebie posted:If Swedbank gets shut out from conducting USD transfers I'm going to laugh until I puke.
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TheFluff posted:
They also failed to pay the printers, so no metro got made.
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Mar 27, 2019 19:55
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Wow Metro is still a thing? I used to read that on the spårvagn when going to school a million years ago. Then they stopped running Modesty Blaise and later Rocky and I knew the paper was doomed. a decade or so later I picked one up and it was like 10 pages ads printed on toilet paper.
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Katt posted:a decade or so later I picked one up and it was like 10 pages ads printed on toilet paper. Pretty accurate.
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Potrzebie posted:If Swedbank gets shut out from conducting USD transfers I'm going to laugh until I puke. Asked them if they knew of any way to pay back my student loans in the States, what with having a counter in Manhattan and all. They told me the transfers were for businesses only and I kept thinking “what loving businesses are using Swedbank for anything in the US?”. Clearly I missed the hint.
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Here's what "sensible immigration policy" looks like. Three facilities for asylum seekers right next to army training grounds. Just lots of gunfire and explosions all the time. How does this not meet the definition of torture? https://twitter.com/24syv/status/1110851949849726976
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