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aphid_licker posted:Didn't expect the stuff to be anti-nazi what with it being written by what kinda sounds like a nazi, if not a very good one. At best from what it was decribed like itt it seemed like nihilist violence porn and that being less readily available is good. I don't it was written with an anti-nazi agenda in mind, but they way the nazis are presented in those books sure does them no favours. A bunch of immoral murderous criminals, too stiff necked to understand their empire is falling apart, or sycophants too scared to speak up against the fanatics that run the show. Those books really don't paint a rosy picture of nazi Germany and if they are the first novels someone reads about the Eastern Front of WW2 they do, in my opinion, highlight the horror that it was wihtout pulling punches. In contrast, the sanitized memoirs of higher officers tend to cross over or explain away the horror and misery.
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aphid_licker posted:At best from what it was decribed like itt it seemed like nihilist violence porn and that being less readily available is good. Nihlist violence porn is pretty accurate, and IIRC there's also a fair bit of not-so-subtle poo poo about how the Nazis are dumb and bad but the SAVAGE ASIATIC HORDES they're fighting are even worse.
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Comrade Koba posted:Nihlist violence porn is pretty accurate, and IIRC there's also a fair bit of not-so-subtle poo poo about how the Nazis are dumb and bad but the SAVAGE ASIATIC HORDES they're fighting are even worse. So it’s a WH40k novel?
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Nebakenezzer posted:So it the phrase "last ditch effort" of military origin? https://www.etymonline.com/word/last-ditch
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Cyrano4747 posted:So it’s a WH40k novel?
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According to this article, the thing I said a while ago was imprecise: we're not having less sex, we're having fewer sexual partners. https://ifstudies.org/blog/nine-decades-of-promiscuity
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Mar 15, 2019 14:23
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goddamn milennials ruining fornication
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Fangz posted:goddamn milennials ruining fornication
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HEY GUNS posted:is there a scholarly work on the ww2 warporn that was slithering around our collective subconscious in the 50s and 60s? cause that poo poo was weird Man now I want to watch a warspoitation documentary. The whole SS Deathcamp porn stuff is loving weird and wrong goddamn.
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SeanBeansShako posted:Man now I want to watch a warspoitation documentary.
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That is some uh I don't even know.
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SeanBeansShako posted:That is some uh
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I know but still feels off. It's super weird when you also know how they used sex as a motivation with uniforms and the strangeness of Nazi culture. Feeding a weird beast. Plus the vague concept of somebody associating the piles of corpses of the death camp footage with something like just makes me skin really crawl ugh. SeanBeansShako fucked around with this message at 14:42 on Mar 15, 2019 |
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SeanBeansShako posted:I know but still feels off.
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HEY GUNS posted:you know what's even worse? it was popular in israel. thanks freud but i don't want to go there!!!!!!! meanwhile users from other Middle East countries apparently love Israeli porn sites, though probably more due to Israel being the only country with legal porn studios that will cater to regional niches
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SeanBeansShako posted:It's super weird when you also know how they used sex as a motivation with uniforms and the strangeness of Nazi culture. It's transgressive leather fetishes all the way down.
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Nebakenezzer posted:Italy made a Japan flight, if they had been bigger or lasted longer I can see them succeeding at frogmen assault NY docks Yeah, I'm not saying its impossible to fly to the States, but its a one-way trip for the frogmen, and the value of saboteurs and public panic is highly questionable.
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Alright here's a goofy rear end question for a Friday morning: On TNG, William T. Riker repeatedly turns down promotions and his own command to stay as XO on the Enterprise. Now obviously I know that this is because they aren't going to write a popular character off of a TV show in order to maintain fidelity to modern naval promotion protocols, but what would happen if an irl XO kept doing this? Do officers have that much say regarding their posting? In TNG world it's even more ridiculous after the Borg poo poo goes down, since Riker commanded the ship that basically saved the whole universe and would probably be eligible for the highest decoration possible. Combined with the sudden needs in command level positions following the Wolf 359 debacle, there's no way an irl navy would let a decorated and supremely competent senior officer remain second-in-command right? There's probably no conceivable analog you could make with the modern USN, but getting as close as you could, what would happen to a real life navy officer who acted like Riker?
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zoux posted:Alright here's a goofy rear end question for a Friday morning: On TNG, William T. Riker repeatedly turns down promotions and his own command to stay as XO on the Enterprise. Now obviously I know that this is because they aren't going to write a popular character off of a TV show in order to maintain fidelity to modern naval promotion protocols, but what would happen if an irl XO kept doing this? Do officers have that much say regarding their posting? In TNG world it's even more ridiculous after the Borg poo poo goes down, since Riker commanded the ship that basically saved the whole universe and would probably be eligible for the highest decoration possible. Combined with the sudden needs in command level positions following the Wolf 359 debacle, there's no way an irl navy would let a decorated and supremely competent senior officer remain second-in-command right? There's probably no conceivable analog you could make with the modern USN, but getting as close as you could, what would happen to a real life navy officer who acted like Riker? I feel like it's kind of like Gene Fluckey when he, very politely, turned down the MoH initially. He got dragged into some top guy's office and told "hey dude this is happening, just accept it." Also I think Riker eventually became an admiral did he not? My level of Star Trek knowledge is poor at best but he had a cameo in Voyager and I think he was promoted.
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SeanBeansShako posted:I know but still feels off. That's because it is, and I can't stress this enough, weird as loving hell. People are strange I guess
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If he kept doing it, he probably would be asked to retire. There are circumstances where an officer can ask for and be granted temporary delays in promotion, but if he did it and kept doing it, it would raise pretty serious questions about his fitness as an officer
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Ice Fist posted:I feel like it's kind of like Gene Fluckey when he, very politely, turned down the MoH initially. He got dragged into some top guy's office and told "hey dude this is happening, just accept it." He's an admiral in at least one of the future flash fowards from various episodes but he doesn't take a command until the books written after the series (WHICH I HAVE NOT READ BECAUSE I'M TOO COOL TO)
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HEY GUNS posted:you know what's even worse? it was popular in israel. thanks freud but i don't want to go there!!!!!!! What the gently caress!!!!
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Molentik posted:Speaking of the Italians in WWII, how were their uniforms? Not bad over all. They were largely a re-tuning of their WWI uniforms, dropping the high color in favor of an open collar that could be worn with a tie. The design goes back to the early 30's - mostly 1933 - and saw minor changes for wartime economization, but it was a sound design that wore well. It looked a bit dated in comparison to the uniforms of their contemporaries, but all told it was not bad. Perhaps surprisingly they didn't fall into the pitfalls of ludicrous over-tailoring that plagued the Germans, although their officer's uniforms tended to be a bit too customized and restrictive. The troops still used puttees, which were universally unpopular, but beyond that their basic continental uniform was serviceable and functional. Their desert uniforms, especially the "sahariana" jacket, were quite good by the standards of the time, based on Italian experiences in Libya and Ethiopia. 
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zoux posted:Alright here's a goofy rear end question for a Friday morning: On TNG, William T. Riker repeatedly turns down promotions and his own command to stay as XO on the Enterprise. Now obviously I know that this is because they aren't going to write a popular character off of a TV show in order to maintain fidelity to modern naval promotion protocols, but what would happen if an irl XO kept doing this? Do officers have that much say regarding their posting? In TNG world it's even more ridiculous after the Borg poo poo goes down, since Riker commanded the ship that basically saved the whole universe and would probably be eligible for the highest decoration possible. Combined with the sudden needs in command level positions following the Wolf 359 debacle, there's no way an irl navy would let a decorated and supremely competent senior officer remain second-in-command right? There's probably no conceivable analog you could make with the modern USN, but getting as close as you could, what would happen to a real life navy officer who acted like Riker? Now that you mention it, I'm curious how many 1-level-junior officers are secretly furious with Riker's decision to do this.
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zoux posted:Alright here's a goofy rear end question for a Friday morning: On TNG, William T. Riker repeatedly turns down promotions and his own command to stay as XO on the Enterprise. I've always felt Riker saving human civilization from the Borg was cancelled out by Riker losing the Enterprise-D to a scrapyard bird of prey that was just allowed to pound on an unshielded enterprise till it hit the engines because the bridge crew thought they'd try and solve this problem in a completely new way rather than respond normally Of course, starfleet was fine with Sisko bursting into a diplomatic conference screaming about how Bajor would be devoured by locusts if it joined the Federation Well, maybe not fine, but they didn't do anything Jobbo_Fett posted:Yeah, I'm not saying its impossible to fly to the States, but its a one-way trip for the frogmen, and the value of saboteurs and public panic is highly questionable. Oh, most definitely. I was just trying to say the USA's reaction to it would probably cause way more damage than anything the frogmen attack could possibly do
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One of my distant relatives was a LT in the FDF for like 20+ years, up until the day when he retired. He kept refusing promotions because he wanted to work in the transport training company that was the only Army unit based in his hometown, and didn't want a staff position. OTOH he's a loving weirdo in general.
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SeanBeansShako posted:I know but still feels off. https://www.timesofisrael.com/when-israel-banned-nazi-inspired-stalag-porn/ quote:As the grandson of Holocaust survivors, Ari Libsker has long been intrigued by the Shoah’s “graphic and explicit” representation in Israeli culture.
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“I was Colonel Schultz’s Private Bitch” I shouldn't even joke about that. I suppose people deal with trauma in different ways. Cessna fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Mar 15, 2019 |
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People having a sexual fascination with what they despise is nothing new, sadly. Just look at the sexual undercurrents (and explicit overtones) of racism in the US.
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Cythereal posted:People having a sexual fascination with what they despise is nothing new, sadly. Just look at the sexual undercurrents (and explicit overtones) of racism in the US. Or your shunned uncle's FB and the AOC
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Cessna posted:“I was Colonel Schultz’s Private Bitch” Kinkenshamen. I'm sorry, I'll get my waffenrock.
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Sometimes it feels like there's a horrible Lovecraftian quality of knowledge where you can only seek to understand so much before it starts to taint you and in your understanding you start to sympathize and become one with your subject matter. There's a whole phenomena of people "ironically" liking things but then that irony becoming some midway state of just feeling things out before committing to things. Not that I'm making any accusations or anything. I sure don't know anything about Israeli porn. I will say that being Jewish doesn't necessarily preclude being a fascist. I wonder if there are professional porn scholars out there, writing essays on what trends in porn mean about ideas as they proliferate throughout our society. Petitioning the Library of Congress to preserve certain porn for posterity.
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SlothfulCobra posted:in your understanding you start to sympathize and become one with your subject matter.
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I made it out to Spotsylvania and the Wilderness battlefields this week. They are a very, very different experience from Gettysburg and Antietam. Anyway it is really cool how the NPS wants to maintain the earthworks visibility as long as they can. They're all still there, and easy to trace:   Back in the day, they looked like this:  Anyway, long story short, Wilderness and Spotsylvania aren't usually given first billing in ACW battles or battles in general but I'm not sure there was a worse spot to be ever than right along those entrenchments in the pic above. It was basically parts of four corps having at one another almost without break for a full 24 hours, which is a thing that doesn't often happen even in the worst of battles.
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On the other hand I know a lot of Holocaust historians, including one who basically studies trigger pullers the way Hey Guns does mercs and none of them have gone neo Nazi on me. I think there’s a difference between understanding and adopting.
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Studying the Holocaust burned me out. It was just endless pain. It's hard to go home and not drink yourself to death after you've been submerged in it.
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Cessna posted:looked a bit dated in comparison to the uniforms of their contemporaries, To be fair this kind of describes everything about the Italian military. They rearmed just a little too early.
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