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FoolyCharged posted:Epic responded saying it was opt in only and yet on page 13 someone links an article where epic stated that only 20% of fortnight users actively use steam
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Mar 15, 2019 00:39
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Mordja posted:Isn't that number kind of unverifiable nonsense considering Fortnite's also huge on consoles and on phones? 20% of Fortnite players actively use steam, but what's the Fortnite breakdown by platform? I mean, it's less about what the number they put in was and more about the fact that they in some way determined how many players not only had steam, but used it recently. By virtue of saying that it's almost a flat admission to scraping data from their clients on a competitor without asking
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Mar 15, 2019 00:44
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SilverMike posted:You guys should probably be aware of this, since Phoenix Point is gonna be on their store. I know it's gotten me to uninstall the launcher and give up future free games. considering their privacy policy is straight up worded to allow this it's not surprising. there's a lot of scariness involved with the shakeup that Epic are causing, and i already had a huge moral objection to them staking their claim on the market by paying for platform exclusivity. just like EA's origin i will never install or use this. their store is a proto-version of steam's with worse policies. and their biggest supporters are the CCP so lol @ anyone who digs their own graves on the "BUT STEAM NEEDS COMPETITION!!!!" hill.
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Mar 15, 2019 01:34
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Mordja posted:Isn't that number kind of unverifiable nonsense considering Fortnite's also huge on consoles and on phones? 20% of Fortnite players actively use steam, but what's the Fortnite breakdown by platform? FoolyCharged posted:I mean, it's less about what the number they put in was and more about the fact that they in some way determined how many players not only had steam, but used it recently. By virtue of saying that it's almost a flat admission to scraping data from their clients on a competitor without asking yeah to me it's less a matter of how accurate that number is and more a matter of "why do you have numbers on that in the first place??"
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Mar 15, 2019 02:05
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Coolguye posted:yeah to me it's less a matter of how accurate that number is and more a matter of "why do you have numbers on that in the first place??" But yeah, I'd made an Epic account way back when for UT4 (RIP) and this is all skeezy as hell.
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Mar 15, 2019 02:12
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:yeah my thoughts on misleading are more the use of investor when none of the legal protections and obligations apply What legal protections don’t apply here that apply to another private (non-SEC-regulated) investment, of which there are very many?
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Mar 15, 2019 02:38
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in case we get another drive-by of someone wondering 'Y U SKURRED OF EGS', someone just uploaded video proof of the spying of steam data to the only social network capable of communicating to boneheads who can't be bothered to read: https://twitter.com/_s_t_r_e_l_o_k/status/1106341025109299200
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Mar 15, 2019 04:05
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Mar 15, 2019 07:34
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Perhaps a slightly, kinda, a little bit incredibly racist and homophobic explanation there.
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Mar 15, 2019 07:36
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Bogart posted:Perhaps a slightly, kinda, a little bit incredibly racist and homophobic explanation there. yeah i was reading it on twitter and just copied the imgur link, didn't even see the fine print bullshit there tl;dr same thing as the video, hooking into all your poo poo and scanning for data.
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Mar 15, 2019 07:37
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Epic have responded to the Steam stuff on Reddit.Daniel Vogel posted:We only import your Steam friends with your explicit permission. The launcher makes an encrypted local copy of your localconfig.vdf Steam file. However information from this file is only sent to Epic if you choose to import your Steam friends, and then only hashed ids of your friends are sent and no other information from the file. Tim Sweeney posted:You guys are right that we ought to only access the localconfig.vdf file after the user chooses to import Steam friends. The current implementation is a remnant left over from our rush to implement social features in the early days of Fortnite. It's actually my fault for pushing the launcher team to support it super quickly and then identifying that we had to change it. Since this issue came to the forefront we're going to fix it.
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Mar 15, 2019 09:11
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That last paragraph is great in the context.
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Mar 15, 2019 09:15
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The Kins posted:Epic have responded to the Steam stuff on Reddit. I feel like this is a GDPR suit just waiting to happen, jesus.
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Mar 15, 2019 09:27
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MiddleOne posted:I feel like this is a GDPR suit just waiting to happen, jesus. Meanwhile, the friendlist-importing system in EA's Apex Legends just uses Steam's OpenID stuff to have you log into an EA site and consent to letting them pull the appropriate info from your community profile, which seems like a whole lot less trouble for everyone involved than Epic's current kludge.
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Mar 15, 2019 11:03
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So is this game bad or
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Mar 15, 2019 14:51
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Maybe we should tell Steam to stop sucking so much to make sure devs won't go to the Epic Store to steal your data
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Mar 15, 2019 14:59
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Twyst posted:So is this game bad or Well, I may never get to find out because EGS doesn't work here so Apart from that, loving over your initial investors so blatantly and without remorse is really off-putting, and what really makes it sting is that the game legit looks cool!
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Mar 15, 2019 15:06
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So I couldn't yet tell you whether Epic's data-scraping thing nefarious or not, but RPS' article on it is the most smugly dismissive bullshit I've seen yet.
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Mar 15, 2019 15:36
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Mordja posted:So I couldn't yet tell you whether Epic's data-scraping thing nefarious or not, but RPS' article on it is the most smugly dismissive bullshit I've seen yet. Isn't that the same journalist that wrote an extensive hitpiece on the dev of Rimworld?
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Mar 15, 2019 15:43
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The Kins posted:Epic have responded to the Steam stuff on Reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/PhoenixPoint/comments/b0rxdq/epic_game_store_spyware_tracking_and_you/eijlbge/ quote:You guys are right that we ought to only access the localconfig.vdf file after the user chooses to import Steam friends. The current implementation is a remnant left over from our rush to implement social features in the early days of Fortnite. It's actually my fault for pushing the launcher team to support it super quickly and then identifying that we had to change it. Since this issue came to the forefront we're going to fix it.
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Mar 15, 2019 15:49
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I was unhappy when they dropped Linux support, since I do all of my gaming on Linux. When they announced that, I was okay with them keeping my preorder money to make a good game -- I figured they might release a Linux version in the future, or it might work well enough through Wine, or I might even make a throwaway un-activated Windows installation to play this. I'm not supporting Epic in any way though.
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Mar 15, 2019 16:19
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Mordja posted:So I couldn't yet tell you whether Epic's data-scraping thing nefarious or not, but RPS' article on it is the most smugly dismissive bullshit I've seen yet. Graham Smith just posted in the comments that people have to chill calling them shills/corrupt or you get deleted. He then spouted the "well at least it isn't leaving your system unless you say so" line instead of going "why the gently caress are they snooping around in that folder anyway without your consent and before you decide to add steam friends, and why does it do so every time you boot the launcher?". EDIT: I actually asked the latter without the swearing and if he agrees that is a bit weird replying to his post and it got promptly deleted without warning. 
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Mar 15, 2019 16:41
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Delete what? Your Epic account and library or a forums account?
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Mar 15, 2019 16:50
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Demiurge4 posted:Delete what? Your Epic account and library or a forums account? Oh, the post I made asking Graham a question. They deleted it.
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Mar 15, 2019 16:58
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I really gotta wonder if there's an exit clause on the exclusivity contracts, because at this point any sensible developer would pull the emergency chute.
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Mar 15, 2019 17:32
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worth noting that their 'explicit permission' crap happens when you are agreeing to their privacy policy so the idea that they only do it with your explicit permission is mostly a lie.
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Mar 15, 2019 18:20
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DatonKallandor posted:I really gotta wonder if there's an exit clause on the exclusivity contracts, because at this point any sensible developer would pull the emergency chute. Why would they bother at this point? They've already admitted that they're making more money from Epic than they expect to from all the pre-orders. They're already bleeding support, to give back the Epic cash now would be the worst of all worlds, they'd be broke and they'd still have a bunch of refunds to pay out and pissed off customers for even trying it. No, what they're going to do is shut up and hide for a few months and let the heat die down, then release the game in November (gotta get those X-mas $$$) and hope that the inevitable round of AAA outrages between March and November will get enough people to forget the shadiness they pulled now. Worst thing is, they're probably right, a bunch of people who either never heard about the mess in the first place or have forgotten about it will see a bunch of hype about the game and buy it, EGS or no. 
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Mar 15, 2019 20:48
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jng2058 posted:Why would they bother at this point? They've already admitted that they're making more money from Epic than they expect to from all the pre-orders. They're already bleeding support, to give back the Epic cash now would be the worst of all worlds, they'd be broke and they'd still have a bunch of refunds to pay out and pissed off customers for even trying it. What hype? If it weren't for the xcom 2 thread I wouldn't even know the game exists. Maybe I missed a big old pr campaign, but what I've seen is 0 advertisement whatsoever.
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Mar 15, 2019 21:16
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FoolyCharged posted:What hype? If it weren't for the xcom 2 thread I wouldn't even know the game exists. Maybe I missed a big old pr campaign, but what I've seen is 0 advertisement whatsoever. Not right now, but come October? You'll start seeing some ads on EGS, some reviews on the usual suspects, some youtube and twitch streams. Given that everyone hates them right now, the last thing they want is more attention in March. But once the game gets near release? It'll be a different story.
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Mar 15, 2019 21:24
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i suppose we will see but i'm a little suspicious of the idea that it will all be forgiven and forgotten. even if all their backers just refund and never say anything again*, the EGS stuff has officially pissed off the dumbshit channers that wrap their entire identity in being anonymous because their data collection is so aggressive. if there is one thing the channers have never done well, it's let something go, so i wouldn't be surprised if they clown-carred EGS exclusive releases with more trolling and horseshit from now until forever at this point, even if epic said "you know what you're absolutely right our platform and tactics are terrible we are going to remove all of it and also buy tencent back off our cap table (somehow)," there would still be dumbfuck invasion squads coming in because they never cared to get the memo. *: i find this also kind of unlikely because XCOM fans have big-O Opinions about everything too. it was something like two years and two threads that the XCOM threads here dealt with Long War zealots and detractors being gigantic troglodytes to one another over a god damned mod of all loving things, and even then the conversation only truly died when the XCOM 2 expansion came out and the mod team refused to update their dumb bullshit for it because Firaxis wasn't paying them.
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Mar 15, 2019 21:38
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Mar 15, 2019 21:51
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I'm maybe a bit late on that but: https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/epic-promises-to-fix-game-launcher-after-privacy-concerns/ CEO of Epic admits to their program breaking GDPR by copying files not intended for 3rd party use without permission. loving lmao.
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Mar 16, 2019 12:18
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Jack Trades posted:I'm maybe a bit late on that but: So instead of doing it the normal way - have user log in to steam site and get permission to see friends list, they decided "let's just rummage through Steam files for friend list"? 
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Mar 16, 2019 12:28
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Pyromancer posted:So instead of doing it the normal way - have user log in to steam site and get permission to see friends list, they decided "let's just rummage through Steam files for friend list"? Yes. And that is because of the following: the SteamAPI doesn't allow you to get info from a certain person if that person has their profile set to PRIVATE. The API has this enforcement thing in place because of GDPR and other stuff. So basically what they are doing is going around the API to get your info REGARDLESS of you wanting them to get that info. So if you say no to Steam sharing your info they now go "lol cute let me copy these files and circumvent the exact system Steam has put into place to protect its customer's data from being shared without consent". Also Sweeney said "We don't use the Steam API because we work to minimize the number of third-party libraries we include in our products due to security and privacy concerns" with is bullshit because it's a simple JSON to get info from the API. For example:  You wouldn't do this if you've got nothing to hide. The fact that they decided to circumvent Steams official API (that loving everyone uses if you want to import Steam friends) is extremely sketchy. The fact that Sweeney uses a bullshit excuse like "third party libraries DUE TO PRIVACY CONCERNS" and they gently caress your privacy by doing something around the regular route is loving having a crowbar and a bag of stolen items behind your back when the police catch you and telling them you found the stolen goods in the bushes and the crowbar was so you could break IN to place the stuff back. EDIT: Steams response says it all: quote:We are looking into what information the Epic launcher collects from Steam. Commissar Kip fucked around with this message at 14:15 on Mar 16, 2019 |
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Mar 16, 2019 14:08
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Jack Trades posted:I'm maybe a bit late on that but: I hope he realizes this is not stopping them from getting sued to hell and back by the full throbbing force of GDPR.
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Mar 16, 2019 14:32
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I'm so glad I'm not involved in all this backer drama. So to play this game I have to wait until September of 2020 when the exclusivity clause expires then hope it ends up on Steam?
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Mar 16, 2019 16:18
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Looks that way.
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Mar 16, 2019 16:35
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Elephant Ambush posted:I'm so glad I'm not involved in all this backer drama. So to play this game I have to wait until September of 2020 when the exclusivity clause expires then hope it ends up on Steam? Ssssshhhhh   EDIT: Normally I wouldn't argue for this solution, mainly because I'm a schmuck who keeps buying the Yakuza titles at full price on steam, but I feel it's completely justified in this case. The developers already guaranteed that they'll make their money back and then some through the exclusivity deal. You were fully intending to buy it before they made the move to tie it to a shady platform. Don't wait for a year, if you want it then just go for it. MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Mar 16, 2019 |
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